RE: editing pdfs

2010-05-18 Thread ChasM Marshall
Hiya, Editing PDF: OpenOffice.org prolly ain't the solution. Here's an excerpted display of .pdf created in MS Office (by Maricopa County Public Records) "Non_Comm_PRR Form.pdf" downloaded from maricopa.gov and opened with OpenOffice.org Writer 2.3.0 Build 2.3.0.1.2 -

Re: Killing PLUG softly

2010-05-18 Thread Joshua Zeidner
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:28 PM, Technomage wrote: > On 5/18/10 8:38 PM, Alan Dayley wrote: > >> I've stayed out of this latest round of off-topic threads. I am happy >> to see vibrant discussion. I am unhappy to see personal attacks and >> other silliness. I'm unhappy to see it go on and on.

Re: Killing PLUG softly

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 22:28, Technomage wrote: > Even now, there are those who either cannot believe there is a problem, or > they lie to themselves (and others) stating no problem exists. for them I > feel nothing but pity. Unfortunately, they tend to have louder voices and > also outnumber us

Re: Killing PLUG softly

2010-05-18 Thread matt . nesteruk
Agreed on the blowing out of proportion part. -Matt Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Joshua Zeidner Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 22:17:12 To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Killing PLUG softly ---

Re: Killing PLUG softly

2010-05-18 Thread Technomage
On 5/18/10 8:38 PM, Alan Dayley wrote: I've stayed out of this latest round of off-topic threads. I am happy to see vibrant discussion. I am unhappy to see personal attacks and other silliness. I'm unhappy to see it go on and on. This is enough. It's just enough. I agree, the OT thread

Re: OT: Win: Starting a windows enterprise admin group

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 22:14, Technomage wrote: > put me on board as well. I have to work with 3 OS's here at home > (linux windows and OS X) and recently had to do a simple write > up > of how to remove malware for a friend of mine back east. > > > On 5/16/10 1:29 PM, Bryan O'Neal wrote: > >> A

Re: Killing PLUG softly

2010-05-18 Thread Joshua Zeidner
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:12 PM, JD Austin wrote: > > > > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 22:03, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > >> There is no more brainless fatalistic stupidity than this. Alex said >> something similar before : "Nobody ever convinced anyone of anything by >> arguing via email." If tha

Re: Killing PLUG softly

2010-05-18 Thread Kurt Granroth
Indeed. I've been a part of countless mailing lists over the years and have always counted plug-discuss as one of the better ones. There has historically been a much higher than average signal-to-noise ratio. All long-running and active lists will eventually run into cases where a few select

Re: OT: Win: Starting a windows enterprise admin group

2010-05-18 Thread Technomage
put me on board as well. I have to work with 3 OS's here at home (linux windows and OS X) and recently had to do a simple write up of how to remove malware for a friend of mine back east. On 5/16/10 1:29 PM, Bryan O'Neal wrote: As stated in a recent thread there seems to be a substantial lack

Re: Killing PLUG softly

2010-05-18 Thread Joshua Zeidner
yes, you can't have order and build value without a clear sense of membership. wouldn't you agree? -jmz On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Jim wrote: > fine Matt - I will sit here and watch the PLUG mailing list degenerate into > everything it was never intended to just because I dont have

Re: Killing PLUG softly

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 22:03, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > There is no more brainless fatalistic stupidity than this. Alex said > something similar before : "Nobody ever convinced anyone of anything by > arguing via email." If that is true, then why even participate here? Again > you're trying t

Re: Killing PLUG softly

2010-05-18 Thread Alan Dayley
Desert Code Camp allows anyone to submit a topic to lead a one hour session about anything that has to do with coding. If someone submitted a topic to speak about building homeless shelters, is it wrong for the organizers to reject that submission? Why? Alan On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:03 PM,

Re: Killing PLUG softly

2010-05-18 Thread Jim
fine Matt - I will sit here and watch the PLUG mailing list degenerate into everything it was never intended to just because I dont have to read it! Grow up! Linux is based on some serious principles! Isnt it time you exhibited some? matt.neste...@gmail.com wrote: if you don't like what's

Re: Killing PLUG softly

2010-05-18 Thread matt . nesteruk
if you don't like what's being said don't read it, but don't censor your fellow plug members from debating. -Matt Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Jim Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 21:57:17 To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Killing PLUG sof

Re: Killing PLUG softly

2010-05-18 Thread Joshua Zeidner
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 9:58 PM, JD Austin wrote: > > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 21:52, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > >> >> I say let the discussion continue. We are literally in crisis mode in >> this state and this country. Anyone who is being a disrespectful spammer is >> going to be quickly blo

Re: Killing PLUG softly

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 21:52, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > > I say let the discussion continue. We are literally in crisis mode in > this state and this country. Anyone who is being a disrespectful spammer is > going to be quickly blocked. That is their problem. Likewise anyone who is > intoler

Re: Killing PLUG softly

2010-05-18 Thread Jim
Well said, Alan. I was there when PLUG reformed and watched it grow into a vibrant part of the Linux community. While we all have opinions about a myriad of topics, the binding thread of this part of the Linux community, this mailing list, is not, never was, and never should be a venue for e

Re: Killing PLUG softly

2010-05-18 Thread Joshua Zeidner
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 9:38 PM, JD Austin wrote: > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 21:30, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > >> >> >> I agree, the people who are complaining about 'Off Topic' just don't want >> to hear what is being said. It's a few emails- it's so disastrous? These >> topics are very much abo

Re: Killing PLUG softly

2010-05-18 Thread Alan Dayley
It's not: That we don't all have other things to talk about, that we aren't knowledgeable about other things, that I don't want to talk to many of you about many things, that I don't want to hear about immigration or taxes or whatever, that I can't handle hitting the delete key, that I disagree (o

Re: Killing PLUG softly

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 21:30, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > > > I agree, the people who are complaining about 'Off Topic' just don't want > to hear what is being said. It's a few emails- it's so disastrous? These > topics are very much about Arizona, and they WILL effect us all. Some > people jus

Re: Win: Starting a windows enterprise admin group

2010-05-18 Thread Ariel Gold
+1. thanks 2010/5/18 G Gambill > Sign me up also. > > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:23 PM, mike Enriquez wrote: > >> Sign me I'll join your new group. >> Mike >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 05/17/2010 08:20 AM, Jared Shapiro wrote: >> >>> Sign me up for the MAUG ! js >>> >>> -Original Messag

Re: Killing PLUG softly

2010-05-18 Thread Joshua Zeidner
I agree, the people who are complaining about 'Off Topic' just don't want to hear what is being said. It's a few emails- it's so disastrous? These topics are very much about Arizona, and they WILL effect us all. Some people just want to reify the discussion because thats a very effective way to

Re: Win: Starting a windows enterprise admin group

2010-05-18 Thread G Gambill
Sign me up also. On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:23 PM, mike Enriquez wrote: > Sign me I'll join your new group. > Mike > > > > > > > > > > On 05/17/2010 08:20 AM, Jared Shapiro wrote: > >> Sign me up for the MAUG ! js >> >> -Original Message- >> From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.

Re: Killing PLUG softly

2010-05-18 Thread Michael Havens
I get much good information from PLUG. I get good information from on-topic discussions and off-topic discussions. This is a community and we should talk about everything. Everything includes on and off topic things. We have the political debates once in a while but it always falls to the way side

Re: Killing PLUG softly

2010-05-18 Thread Alan Dayley
Thanks, Matt. I disagree. plug-discuss is the single most important communication channel for PLUG, bar none. The meetings are very important but the glue that holds the group together is this email list. It is, in my opinion, a weakness of the group that we have not created nor embraced other

Re: Killing PLUG softly

2010-05-18 Thread matt . nesteruk
Allen, Its just email -Matt Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Alan Dayley Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 20:38:34 To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Killing PLUG softly I've stayed out of this latest round of off-topic threads. I am happy to see

Killing PLUG softly

2010-05-18 Thread Alan Dayley
I've stayed out of this latest round of off-topic threads. I am happy to see vibrant discussion. I am unhappy to see personal attacks and other silliness. I'm unhappy to see it go on and on. This is enough. It's just enough. I don't go to a email list or forum on topic A to be drown in discus

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Joshua Zeidner
do the job the federal PLUG government wont do... jmz On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Jim wrote: > due to repeated inappropriate use of this list, all posts relating to the > apple boycott will be filtered to trash. > > if some members fail to respect the other members of this list, and if

Re: Linux dual boot?

2010-05-18 Thread Joseph Sinclair
Hyperthread isn't really multi-thread the way multiple cores is. What hyperthread does is de-bond two of the hyperscalar pipelines and run each thread's instructions through a different pipeline. If your workload per-thread is such that it works well with hyperscalar processing (nearly all of t

Re: ending unwanted threads

2010-05-18 Thread Bryan O'Neal
Please use the OT subject prefix - Please filter on the OT subject prefix - Please reduce the total number of OT threads. Personally - I find the discussions interesting and 1 out of every 5 or 10 posts may actually teach me something I did not know on the subject. As such I get sucked in just as

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Alex Dean
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Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Jim
due to repeated inappropriate use of this list, all posts relating to the apple boycott will be filtered to trash. if some members fail to respect the other members of this list, and if the managers of this list fail to take appropriate action, i can and will. Craig White wrote: On Tue, 2010

ending unwanted threads

2010-05-18 Thread Alex Dean
I don't take any position on the flood of various ideas which have been flowing through this list lately. If anything, I've been just hoping it would subside and I can go back to expecting that this list will be mainly about free software again. Occasional political posting? No problem.

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Alex Dean
On May 18, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Alex Dean wrote: On May 18, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: Wake up and smell the coffee. This coffee doesn't smell anything like linux. Can this please be ended? This thread has run its cour

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 18:46, Matt Iavarone wrote: > Again, you are showing your ignorance. If you enter without inspection, > you cannot apply for a visa or change your status. You have to go back to > your native country, subject to a ban of up to 10 years, and then apply and > wait, and of c

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread keith smith
Wait a minute.  There are reports that is cost $2500 to pay the coyote to bring them here. $2500 in nothing to sneeze at. There is a lot more to this story than we know.  This is huge. Keith Smith --- On Tue, 5/18/10, Matt Iavarone wrote: From: Matt Iavarone Subje

Re: (OT) Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread keith smith
Good Job! Keith Smith --- On Tue, 5/18/10, Lyle Tuttle wrote: From: Lyle Tuttle Subject: (OT) Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: "Main PLUG discussion list" Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 6:44 PM At 04:57 PM 5/18/2010, you wrote: This is perhaps th

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Matt Iavarone
Again, you are showing your ignorance. If you enter without inspection, you cannot apply for a visa or change your status. You have to go back to your native country, subject to a ban of up to 10 years, and then apply and wait, and of course pay through the nose with non existant funds. On May 1

(OT) Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Lyle Tuttle
At 04:57 PM 5/18/2010, you wrote: This is perhaps the most ignorant statement I have ever seen on the subject. Do you really believe these people would not rather have had the opportunty to come here legally?  Are you really that out of touch with reality? Of course they would!  And they are work

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Joshua Zeidner
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: > On Tue, 18 May 2010, Craig White wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 14:05 -0500, Alex Dean wrote: >> >>> On May 18, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: >>> >>> Wake up and smell the coffee. >>> >>> This coffee doesn't smell a

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 16:57, Matt Iavarone wrote: > This is perhaps the most ignorant statement I have ever seen on the > subject. Do you really believe these people would not rather have had the > opportunty to come here legally? Are you really that out of touch with > reality? > I appreciate

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 16:09 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: > On Tue, 18 May 2010, Craig White wrote: > > > On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 14:05 -0500, Alex Dean wrote: > >> On May 18, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Wake up and smell the coffee. > >> > >> This coffee doesn't smell

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread wta
I am sorry guys to interrupt your drama club, but this is a plug discuss group, no politics or religion here, but if you like this topic so much, you may create a discuss group. you know one email is ok, but getting all this crap that will take you nowhere is no nice for nobody. Just let it be, a

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Matt Iavarone
This is perhaps the most ignorant statement I have ever seen on the subject. Do you really believe these people would not rather have had the opportunty to come here legally? Are you really that out of touch with reality? On May 18, 2010 7:00 PM, "JD Austin" wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 15:

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 16:32, Eric Cope wrote: > you haven't immigrated here lately, have you? > I am not talking about naturalization (which is not a simple checklist like > you make it out to be). I am talking about merely coming to work (which is > also not a simple checklist like you make it

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Eric Cope
thats a great picture - and a pretty good post too. Eric On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Matt Graham wrote: > From: Robert Holtzman > [snip] > > You have to remember that every group has its crusading self > > centered lunatic fringe who are determined to save the world by > > belaboring everyo

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 16:09, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > > > The issue of illegal aliens is essentially an enormous financial siphon > and legal black hole that is fenced off from public criticism by the (false) > pretext of racism. > I'd agree that in MOST cases it is false and no racism is inv

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Eric Cope
you haven't immigrated here lately, have you? I am not talking about naturalization (which is not a simple checklist like you make it out to be). I am talking about merely coming to work (which is also not a simple checklist like you make it out to be). Eric On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 4:00 PM, JD Au

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Matt Graham
From: Robert Holtzman [snip] > You have to remember that every group has its crusading self > centered lunatic fringe who are determined to save the world by > belaboring everyone within earshot with their crackpot politics. Even though something that I wrote 1.5 years ago shouldn't still be re

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Tue, 18 May 2010, Craig White wrote: On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 14:05 -0500, Alex Dean wrote: On May 18, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: Wake up and smell the coffee. This coffee doesn't smell anything like linux. Can this please be ended? This thread has run its course. ob

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Joshua Zeidner
The issue of illegal aliens is essentially an enormous financial siphon and legal black hole that is fenced off from public criticism by the (false) pretext of racism. Many different groups use this siphon and legal black hole to their advantage. Naturally such a thing attracts all sorts of c

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 15:45, Eric Cope wrote: > The problem isn't illegal immigration. Its that immigration is illegal. > Sorry maybe you didn't know about this but... immigration is not illegal! Foreign born citizens become legal American citizens every single day. Its just that these partic

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Donn
Come on, give it a rest or take it off-line already! -- Donn There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -- Dave Barry --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Eric Cope
This reminds me of the book, Rich Dad, Poor Dad. I worked at a country club to put myself through college. I'd say about 1/2 of the members group up dirt poor. So poor, 1-2 families shared run down studio apartments. They worked hard, saved, and repeated. Now they are extremely wealthy. They mainta

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 15:13, Technomage wrote: > > The biggest problem with have in this country is a lack of personal > responsibility for ones own actions (including incurring debt). we need to > be a lot more responsible and we need to force the states into doing so at > their level. I coul

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Eric Cope
The deflation with which you are referring is the reverse of devaluation of the dollar through poor monetary policy inflected upon us by the concept of central banking. And I would agree with you with the asterisk that any change of the money supply by central banking is bad for everyone, although

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Joshua Zeidner
Deflation is generally not a bad thing for people who save or people who lend (unless the deflation forces a default). It's a bad thing for people who borrow. -jmz On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Eric Cope wrote: > As the Austrians point out, deflation in real terms (not inflicted by the

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Eric Cope
As the Austrians point out, deflation in real terms (not inflicted by the Federal Reserve) is actually a result of the innovation of the free market and the creation of wealth (as individuals create wealth, things become more affordable... think of the cost of a brand new technology, like DDR3, as

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Technomage
On 5/17/10 4:13 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: you might see some kind of short term deflation, but any substantial deflation would break us. Any time you have debt, then deflation makes that debt harder to pay. Not only would it be tragic for Americans on a personal level, but on a state and

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread keith smith
Excellent reference! Keith Smith --- On Tue, 5/18/10, Lyle Tuttle wrote: From: Lyle Tuttle Subject: Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: "Main PLUG discussion list" Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 2:24 PM At 01:02 PM 5/18/2010, you wrote: At 12:47 PM

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread keith smith
La Raza started as a down home reference for family, yes you are right.  Today it has taken on another meaning.  Ask Isabel Garcia. Yes you and a lot of other people voted in Obama.  Most have remorse now that they know he lied.  I'm guessing he will not run again because he is unwilling to pro

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Lyle Tuttle
At 01:02 PM 5/18/2010, you wrote: At 12:47 PM 5/18/2010, you wrote: So you are seriously telling me the DOJ stats, cited by the conservative CATO institute, are misinformation? I don't know yet...I did copy that info to one of the section leaders in the county Atty's office, and the immediate res

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread joe
While I agree that it is generally preferable to try to keep this forum as focused as possible on primarily Linux related topics ... on the other hand as long as the subject line clearly states "OT" ... then why not just let it run its course. Seems to me that the main thing is to just make sure

Re: editing pdfs

2010-05-18 Thread Kurt Granroth
Yep. Linux (and OSS in general) is really lacking anything resembling a decent PDF editor. I searched high and low a few months ago and came up short. I ended up having to switch to a closed-source solution on OS X (PDF Pen). On 05/18/2010 01:41 PM, Bryan O'Neal wrote: > I know how to export a

Re: editing pdfs

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 13:41, Bryan O'Neal < bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com> wrote: > I know how to export a PDF out of OO but how do you import a PDF for > editing? > > If you don't mind windows / closed source I use PDF Exchange. If the > doc is only a 1 page doc you could try inkscape b

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 13:44, Bryan O'Neal < bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com> wrote: > I agree - what I would like to see is not to allow more immigration > but allow more guest workers. No rites, heavily taxed, but documented > and working. > This covers the above: http://www.ebaumsworld.

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread David
- Original Message - From: "keith smith" To: "Main PLUG discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 10:03:19 AM Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? They teach hate and AZTLAN. They teach that this is their land - Mexico. That is unAmerican and if I might say so, raci

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread keith smith
Even with a 10% unemployment rate?  That is the government number.  It is being reported that the real unemplyement number is closer to 19%.  And there are those who are under employed. Also there is no proof we need these laborers.  Just because a farmer says he can't find labor it might be

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 13:25, keith smith wrote: > > I think you missed my point. My Point : Just because there is as much > crime last year as this year does not mean there isn't a problem. > > It's a sad truth that few people are ever swayed by logic when the issue is emotional and vice-versa

Re: Another Ubuntu spinoff?

2010-05-18 Thread Bryan O'Neal
Let us know how you like it. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Stephen wrote: > That is interesting. > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:38 AM, JD Austin wrote: >> Has anyone tried the Peppermint OS (lubuntu -> ubuntu -> debian spinoff)? >> http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Open-Source/A-Look-at-Peppe

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Bryan O'Neal
I agree - what I would like to see is not to allow more immigration but allow more guest workers. No rites, heavily taxed, but documented and working. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:30 PM, JD Austin wrote: > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:04, Bryan O'Neal > wrote: >> >> The whole point I would like to

Re: editing pdfs

2010-05-18 Thread Bryan O'Neal
I know how to export a PDF out of OO but how do you import a PDF for editing? If you don't mind windows / closed source I use PDF Exchange. If the doc is only a 1 page doc you could try inkscape but you may have issues with the hyperlink. If you find a solid OSS solution please let us know as I h

Re: editing pdfs

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 13:28, Craig White wrote: > On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 13:13 -0700, Ariel Gold wrote: > > I'm trying to edit a pdf to delete, change, and add text and > > hyperlinks. ANyone recommend how to do this? > > > > I've tried pdfedit, but I couldn't figure it out, and the > > document

Re: editing pdfs

2010-05-18 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 13:13 -0700, Ariel Gold wrote: > I'm trying to edit a pdf to delete, change, and add text and > hyperlinks. ANyone recommend how to do this? > > I've tried pdfedit, but I couldn't figure it out, and the > documentation didn't seem to address how to add a link.. Installed > th

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread keith smith
I think you missed my point.  My Point : Just because there is as much crime last year as this year does not mean there isn't a problem.    So there might not be an increase in crime in LA.  Does that mean that 1/2 the homicides in LA being from Illegals is not important. The article you put

editing pdfs

2010-05-18 Thread Ariel Gold
I'm trying to edit a pdf to delete, change, and add text and hyperlinks. ANyone recommend how to do this? I've tried pdfedit, but I couldn't figure it out, and the documentation didn't seem to address how to add a link.. Installed through ubuntu karmic repository. Thought a newer version might hel

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Lyle Tuttle
At 12:47 PM 5/18/2010, you wrote: So you are seriously telling me the DOJ stats, cited by the conservative CATO institute, are misinformation? I don't know yet...I did copy that info to one of the section leaders in the county Atty's office, and the immediate response was one of surprise.and

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Joshua Zeidner
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:38 PM, JD Austin wrote: > > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:19, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Alex Dean wrote: >> >>> On May 18, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: >>> >>> Wake up and smell the coffee. >>> >>> This cof

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 14:05 -0500, Alex Dean wrote: > On May 18, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > > > > > Wake up and smell the coffee. > > This coffee doesn't smell anything like linux. Can this please be > ended? This thread has run its course. obviously you don't understand

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Ariel Gold
I would be surprised if you DIDN'T see crime being in law enforcement, but your anecdotal evidence, while shocking at first, isn't very compelling. Just because people keep repeating talking points won't make me believe them. For example, you said Phoenix is the kidnap capital of the world...from

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:19, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Alex Dean wrote: > >> On May 18, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: >> >> >>> Wake up and smell the coffee. >>> >> >> This coffee doesn't smell anything like linux. Can this please be ended? >> T

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Joshua Zeidner
clearly they took down some of the content on there, knowing that they were under public scrutiny. the requirements are so low that you can receive funding even if your group is vocally declaring war on the US. Brewer is trying to get this group removed, but she was called 'racist' for r

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:04, Bryan O'Neal < bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com> wrote: > > The whole point I would like to make is that truth depends greatly on > your point of view. Don't recite rhetoric, think in a logical and > scientific manor, don't cloud the issue, define the problem an

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Eric Cope
the link you sent works, but none of the links on the page... on a side note, any group can get started at ASU and receive funding. the requirements are quite low. Eric On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Alex Dean wrote: > >> On May 1

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Joshua Zeidner
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Alex Dean wrote: > On May 18, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > > >> Wake up and smell the coffee. >> > > This coffee doesn't smell anything like linux. Can this please be ended? > This thread has run its course. sure as soon as someone gives me

Re: Linux dual boot?

2010-05-18 Thread Bryan O'Neal
Not to defend windows here but I have no issues with VM on windows. Mind you I use ESXi for all serious work related stuff now days but I use Server2 on my windows desktop with no issues. The only "performance" hit is that you need to pay attention to windows disk and memory optimization, which is

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Alex Dean
On May 18, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: Wake up and smell the coffee. This coffee doesn't smell anything like linux. Can this please be ended? This thread has run its course. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.p

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Bryan O'Neal
JD - Good I am taking this in a very light hatred manor - I was hoping it came across that way through email :) As for the American empire and current illegal activity; it does not justify the breaking of laws in any way - I was retorting to the "liberal" (or conservative not sure which it was) cu

Re: Linux dual boot?

2010-05-18 Thread Eric Shubert
Eric Shubert wrote: Stephen wrote: What i personally envision for my desires is a dual boot system that can run the non-active system in VM. so if i boot windows i can run my Linux install in vm, or if o boot Linux i can run windows in VM. That would be possible if your Linux and Win are on th

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread Joshua Zeidner
As much as David would like to depict these groups equivalent to The Boy Scouts of America or similar organizations, it should be made abundantly clear what constitutes their politics. Not only do these groups freely demonstrate and organize here, but *they are supported and funded by our STATE

Re: Linux dual boot?

2010-05-18 Thread Eric Shubert
Stephen wrote: What i personally envision for my desires is a dual boot system that can run the non-active system in VM. so if i boot windows i can run my Linux install in vm, or if o boot Linux i can run windows in VM. That would be possible if your Linux and Win are on their own drives. Raw

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread James Finstrom
When I heard of 1070 and before and since it was signed I have read: - The bill ( 4 times at least ) - The U.S. Constitution as it applies -- 4th amendment --- Supreme court opinions and case law on the 4th amendment -- 10th amendment - States Rights -- 11th amendment - related to the boycotts - U

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread keith smith
I agree.  The first question one should ask when someone makes a comment is "Have you read the law?".  I have and it is very tame. Keith Smith --- On Tue, 5/18/10, JD Austin wrote: From: JD Austin Subject: Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: "Main PL

Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread keith smith
More misinformation.  We have had 3 or 4 police officers killed by Illegals in the recent past.  Phoenix is the kidnap capital of the WORLD.  Most of the kidnaps, tortures, and murders are illegals. I called ICE and they told me they estimate there are about 500,000 illegals in Phoenix.  That

Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

2010-05-18 Thread keith smith
They teach hate and AZTLAN.  They teach that this is their land - Mexico.  That is unAmerican and if I might say so, racist.  What does La Raza stand for?  The Race! If I as a white man was to start a group called "The Race" or something similar like the "Aryan Nation" which I denounce right he

Re: Linux dual boot?

2010-05-18 Thread Stephen
What i personally envision for my desires is a dual boot system that can run the non-active system in VM. so if i boot windows i can run my Linux install in vm, or if o boot Linux i can run windows in VM. It can be done i think but i haven't had it work out well yet... (that whole flipping hardwar

Re: Another Ubuntu spinoff?

2010-05-18 Thread Stephen
That is interesting. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:38 AM, JD Austin wrote: > Has anyone tried the Peppermint OS (lubuntu -> ubuntu -> debian spinoff)? > http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Open-Source/A-Look-at-Peppermint-OS-a-Linux-for-the-Masses-122806/?kc=EWKNLLIN05182010STR1 > > > -- JD Austin > T

Re: Linux dual boot?

2010-05-18 Thread Eric Shubert
Stephen wrote: It can help with some performance issues to have your virtual drives stored on a seperate physical drive from the OS especially in vmware server on windows it can make your system crawl I can't speak of VMware Server on windows, but on CentOS this doesn't seem to be much of a p

Another Ubuntu spinoff?

2010-05-18 Thread JD Austin
Has anyone tried the Peppermint OS (lubuntu -> ubuntu -> debian spinoff)? http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Open-Source/A-Look-at-Peppermint-OS-a-Linux-for-the-Masses-122806/?kc=EWKNLLIN05182010STR1 -- JD Austin Twin Geckos Technology Services LLC j...@twingeckos.com Voice: 480.288.8195x201 Fax:

Re: Linux dual boot?

2010-05-18 Thread Bryan O'Neal
Joseph - You are one of those people who, if you have the time, actually seeks to understand things as deeply as possible. Thus I would be very interested in hearing what you have to say about Intel's Hyperthreading. A long time ago (say 5-7 years ago on the P4) I too had random issues but I never

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