Re: OT - Have you seen this ad?

2008-09-04 Thread Dan Lund
Well, in relation to what I was talking about in the first place, it's all a matter of how much you travel, and what your life is like. I've had the same experience with pedal bike... even had people screaming out constantly get out of the road and drive on the sidewalk like the law says. (I was

Re: OT - Have you seen this ad?

2008-09-03 Thread Dan Lund
- Have you seen this ad? Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:34:08 -0700 I find a 50-55 mpg motorcycle helps out tremendously. My last tank ran $0.07/mile, and I was pounding the throttle. The metric is always $/mile, since the miles you drive always change depending on what you are doing. Also, driving

Re: OT - Have you seen this ad?

2008-09-03 Thread Donn
You say that like it's a good thing? On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Eric Cope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a side note, in the Netherlands, if a driver hits a bicyclist, regardless of reason, the driver is 100% at fault. A bicyclist could wait for a car to come down a road, then throw

Re: OT - Have you seen this ad?

2008-09-03 Thread Craig White
On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 10:57 -0700, Eric Cope wrote: This has been one hell of a flame war! Regarding biking to work, this keeps me on the side walk regardless of Tempe laws. If a car is going to kill me, they need to jump the curb first. Riding a bike in this town requires you to assume every

Re: OT - Have you seen this ad?

2008-09-03 Thread Eric Cope
I don't understand your comment. Considering some of my other posts on this topic, I thought it was rather neutral :) . Its nice to have a black and white rule. However, there are instances where either party could be taken advantage of. (if a cyclist wants a new bike, they throw it in front of a

RE: OT - Have you seen this ad?

2008-09-03 Thread Bryan O'Neal
walk and not paying attention. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig White Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 3:41 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: OT - Have you seen this ad? On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 10:57 -0700, Eric Cope wrote

Re: OT - Have you seen this ad?

2008-09-02 Thread koder
Lund [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: OT - Have you seen this ad? Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:34:08 -0700 I find a 50-55 mpg motorcycle helps out tremendously

Re: OT - Have you seen this ad?

2008-08-30 Thread Dan Lund
matters. I was ticked when it hit .10/mile. I want to see $.05/mile. - Original Message - From: Eric Cope To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Main PLUG discussion list Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 4:55 PM Subject: Re: OT - Have you seen this ad? Sorry to start the flame war... Stephen, what

Re: OT - Have you seen this ad?

2008-08-29 Thread Eric Cope
you seen this ad? Sorry to start the flame war... Stephen, what are you doing to stop the addiction? Why do we need our leaders to do it for us? remaining on soap box for response Eric On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 4:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Link is relevant to my interests but please

Re: OT - Have you seen this ad?

2008-08-29 Thread Alex Dean
Eric Cope wrote: I wouldn't be too excited about 32 mpg (I saw the 37s and 38s, thats better). Over 40 and thats good... (side note, have you *safely* aired up your tires to 40-45psi, that will get you 1-3 more mpg). The true metric is not $/mile, but $/day. My $/day is pretty awesome. I

Re: OT - Have you seen this ad?

2008-08-29 Thread Eric Cope
You have some interesting concepts. I also take the bus, from Maricopa to Tempe.I agree regarding your statement about changing habits. But your statement regarding pooling resources is exactly what I am talking about. You call it pooling because it takes other peoples money and benefits you

Re: OT - Have you seen this ad?

2008-08-29 Thread alexanderhenry
-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us *Sent:* Thursday, August 28, 2008 4:55 PM *Subject:* Re: OT - Have you seen this ad? Sorry to start the flame war... Stephen, what are you doing to stop the addiction? Why do we need our leaders to do it for us? remaining on soap box for response

Re: OT - Have you seen this ad?

2008-08-29 Thread Austin Godber
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now if you can put in a $10k solar panel and wind combo and save $1k a year or more, that might be a worthy investment for a home. Seems those would have blown away last night though. Your other points are very valid ... everyone go buy a 10 year old civic.

Re: OT - Have you seen this ad?

2008-08-29 Thread Eric Cope
Actually, everyone should go buy 10 year old civics with blown engines and install electric motors. that will get you to $0.01-0.02/mile http://www.electric-cars-are-for-girls.com/which-electric-motor-for-a-civic-conversion.html http://civicity.blogspot.com/ Eric On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 9:41

Re: OT - Have you seen this ad?

2008-08-29 Thread Alex Dean
Eric Cope wrote: However, if the government were to steal money for other purposes, that don't benefit you, then it would be a completely different situation. That's what elections are for. If you don't like what your taxes are being spent for, elect someone else. If you want to have no

Re: OT - Have you seen this ad?

2008-08-29 Thread Eric Cope
all interesting points... but which government agency is forcing you, myself, and every other programmer to contribute 30% of your time to open source projects that you may or may not want to contribute? Taking without my permission is stealing. The government takes my money without my permission

Re: OT - Have you seen this ad?

2008-08-29 Thread koder
] Reply-To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: OT - Have you seen this ad? Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:24:47 -0700 all interesting points... but which government agency is forcing you, myself

Re: OT - Have you seen this ad?

2008-08-29 Thread Jason Spatafore
taking the environmental benefits into account. - Original Message - From: Eric Cope To: Jason Spatafore ; Main PLUG discussion list Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 8:05 AM Subject: Re: OT - Have you seen this ad? I wouldn't be too excited about 32 mpg (I saw the 37s

Re: OT - Have you seen this ad?

2008-08-28 Thread Eric Cope
Sorry to start the flame war... Stephen, what are you doing to stop the addiction? Why do we need our leaders to do it for us? remaining on soap box for response Eric On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 4:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Link is relevant to my interests but please add an OT to the

Re: OT - Have you seen this ad?

2008-08-28 Thread Jason Spatafore
. - Original Message - From: Eric Cope To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Main PLUG discussion list Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 4:55 PM Subject: Re: OT - Have you seen this ad? Sorry to start the flame war... Stephen, what are you doing to stop the addiction? Why do we need our

Re: OT - Have you seen this ad?

2008-08-28 Thread Jason Hayes
On Thursday 28 August 2008 7:19:56 pm Jason Spatafore wrote: snipped Getting ready to have solar added to my house. 8.6kwH unit so I generate a surplus. snipped Where did you get your info when deciding on how to go about adding solar. Considering it myself and need to start researching