The future of our healthcare system

2009-07-02 Thread dick thompson
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Re: Our Healthcare System

2009-06-30 Thread Perplexed
3) goverment requires that healthy people pay higher premiums to subsidize older people,so that many young people simply stop buying insurance The larger problem is that over 80% of the visits to emergency rooms in this country are by Medicaid recipients...people who are

Re: Our Healthcare System

2009-06-30 Thread Perplexed
2) government mandates that insurance policies cover thousands of things most buyers don't want or need to be insured against, driving up their premims So true. And even now in the midst of all the talk of a crisis in the cost of health insurance, the moronic democrats manag

Re: Our Healthcare System

2009-06-30 Thread Perplexed
I know this from personal experience. I had 9 recruiters and staff working for me when my brother got cancer. Even with his insurance, the costs ranged from $6 - $8K a month. --- Surely you comprehend that your brother is the exception to the rule if this is even true. My brother pas

Re: Our Healthcare System

2009-06-30 Thread Frederick The Moderate
Jack: Love the "few cars short of a parking lot" thing! lol I'll have to plagiarize that from time to time. My parents are on medicare / medicaid. They wouldn't get by without it. It ain't great but if it wasn't there, they would have NOTHING. Which is what over 100 MILLION Americans presently hav

Re: Our Healthcare System

2009-06-30 Thread Hollywood
plain, Bullshit. Why do you say that? On Jun 30, 1:43 pm, plainolamerican wrote: > I pay cash when I got to a doctor or dentist and I get an appointment > for > the same or next day > --- > you can kiss that option goodbye if liberals control our healthcare > system >

Re: Our Healthcare System

2009-06-30 Thread Hollywood
bruce, Would you like to take a guess at just who lobbied Congress to get such laws passed? Oldest trick in the book. Lobby & bribe Congress to get a law passed that will be of a financial benefit to your industry and when your customer complains about being screwed you sigh, shrug your shoulders

Re: Our Healthcare System

2009-06-30 Thread Hollywood
bruce, Feel free to address, refute any information given in the post. No one is interested and/or impressed by your childish attempts at insults. All you have to say is that some guy somewhere at some point in time wrote something that refutes Fredericks statements? That's it? You don't have a

Re: Our Healthcare System

2009-06-30 Thread ConservativeJack
I wish I could pay cash for any kind of medical treatment. Although that sounds awfully high and mighty, it doesn't take much consideration for the 99.999% of Americans who could never afford such a thing. A few years back, I would have been in complete agreement with Dick and the plainolameri

Re: Our Healthcare System

2009-06-30 Thread Hollywood
Richard, Could it also not be that many doctors do not want to live in such an isolated and rural area? Could it also not be that your area has a higher than normal percentage of residents on Medicare and mediCal than other areas of California? I strongly suspect the problem does not exist solely

Re: Our Healthcare System

2009-06-30 Thread bruce majors
st and I get an appointment > for > the same or next day > --- > you can kiss that option goodbye if liberals control our healthcare > system > > On Jun 30, 1:34 pm, bruce majors wrote: > > Insurance companies are creations of government regulations and the tax > &g

Re: Our Healthcare System

2009-06-30 Thread plainolamerican
I pay cash when I got to a doctor or dentist and I get an appointment for the same or next day --- you can kiss that option goodbye if liberals control our healthcare system On Jun 30, 1:34 pm, bruce majors wrote: > Insurance companies are creations of government regulations and the tax >

Re: Our Healthcare System

2009-06-30 Thread bruce majors
Insurance companies are creations of government regulations and the tax code, as currently constituted. They can't even compete across state lines. If you cannot grasp that you don't know what's happening. I pay cash when I got to a doctor or dentist and I get an appointment for the same or next d

Re: Our Healthcare System

2009-06-30 Thread plainolamerican
Our Healthcare System --- your healthcare is your responsibility I don't expect you to pay for mine - extend the same courtesy. On Jun 30, 12:05 pm, Frederick The Moderate wrote: > I hear Republicans and Conservatives whine about proposed healthcare > all the time. > "Ooo

Re: Our Healthcare System

2009-06-30 Thread Frederick The Moderate
Dick: "How often have you had to wait for a procedure (other than a transplant) here because the healthcare system couldn't handle it for months or even years.' I don't want to write a huge long reply here but I can provide 100+ examples in about 30 seconds, where insurance companies have denied b

Re: Our Healthcare System

2009-06-30 Thread bruce majors
That is how a more government controlled system will attempt to save money. Diseases of the elderly will not be treated. You will just be given pain killers and put on a waiting list. If you can afford medical treatment (or if you could have before your wealth was taxed away) you won't be able to

Re: Our Healthcare System

2009-06-30 Thread Frederick The Moderate
That's a very valid point Richard. We spent over $100K during my brother's last 10 months of life. I have no regrets about it because he was able to jump out of planes, scuba dive etc... (we did kind of a "bucket list" thing) but on the other side, twenty years ago my grandmother slowly wasted awa

Re: Our Healthcare System

2009-06-30 Thread bruce majors
Obama’s Impossible Healthcare Reform Promises Examining the Realities of the Public Option By Sheldon Richman Published: 19 June 2009 [image: Obama’s Impossible Healthcare Reform Promises] In his drive to “reform” health care — that is, redesign 18 percent

Re: Our Healthcare System

2009-06-30 Thread bruce majors
Actually Frederick there is a huge body of analysis on how the government has made medical care more expensive andmade more people uninsured 1) it is illegal for insurance companies to compete across state lines 2) government mandates that insurance policies cover thousands of things most buyers

Re: Our Healthcare System

2009-06-30 Thread Frederick The Moderate
So thenRichard, would you deny the elderly in your rural community healthcare to solve the problem? I don't dispute it's a complex problem. Tort reform would make another separate and interesting post. On Jun 30, 10:34 am, RICHARD BROWN wrote: > One of the problems we are having in the rural cou

Re: Our Healthcare System

2009-06-30 Thread dick thompson
Interesting that we get such poor health care that patients from all the socialized medicine countries come here to get treatments. The woman who pushed so hard for Canada to get socialized medicine got cancer and flew to California to get the treatment because it would have taken over 2 year

Re: Our Healthcare System

2009-06-30 Thread RICHARD BROWN
Another problem that we don't want to discuss is the amount of money we spend at the end of life for someone. More money is spent for the last six months of a man's life than was spent previously. We seem to have this great impulse to pursue a medical solution to forestall the inevitable, thinking

Re: Our Healthcare System

2009-06-30 Thread Frederick The Moderate
How kind of you to prove my point for me Bruce! Thanks you ;-) ConservaRepubs: Lots of cristicism, no answers. Nothing of substance and of course in Bruce's case, no class or ability to debate in a civil manner. And they wonder why their party / ideology is veiwed less positiviely than Venezuela b

Re: Our Healthcare System

2009-06-30 Thread bruce majors
Fred your use of the word "whine" alone shows that your entire post will be sewage and drivel You are not the only imbecilic leftoid on the net who actually attaches the label "Moderate" to their name as a mask. You are pretty obvious. I don't see any evidence that you have any comprehension of h

Re: Our Healthcare System

2009-06-30 Thread RICHARD BROWN
One of the problems we are having in the rural county where I work at the regional hospital is the lack of doctors. I am going to the retirement lunch of one of the doctors. But it is very hard for us to get doctors to move here. Why? Because we have to take Medicare and MediCal patients but s

Our Healthcare System

2009-06-30 Thread Frederick The Moderate
I hear Republicans and Conservatives whine about proposed healthcare all the time. "Oooh, Obama's going to give us socialized healthcare!" "Oooh, we'll get crappy quality care!" "Ooooh, those poor, poor insurance companies won't be able to compete!" "Oooh, the expense of it!" What a load of crap.