On Mar 15, 8:17 pm, NavyBrat dotis2...@comcast.net wrote:
what about restaurant owners in THEIR OWN bars?
or business owners in THEIR OWN office buildings?
*
As I said in my post. Not the same as a private home. The restuarants
and bars have health codes they have to
I have stated how I feel about the ban on smoking and why. What doyou
want? Me to care that you are upset you can't light up nect to me
because the law says you can't? That ain't gonna happen. I still
thrilled I don't have to smell you or your tobacco 'scent'. So sue me.
Banging your head agaisnt
The public changed government's mind about Prohibition so the same
could happen to smoking- one cannot be sure of anything absolutely.
Sorry you don't like the smell of tobacco. I do- especially pipes or
cigars. What I can't stand is getting into an elevator with overly
perfumed women. Or
Morning rigsy. I hate over use of perfums also. I have gotten more
sensitive to those kinds of sscents over the years. I always wonder
what they are trying to hide? Bathing and a lite spritz goes a long
way in smelling acceptable.
As far as Obama smoking...I think he's a bad example in that. I
Mornin' chick!
Congrats on putting the cigs down! It's HARD as hell, but can be
done!
Believe it or not, but hubby actually took me OUT this weekend. It
was a small bar, with a live band (hubby is good friends with a member
or else we wouldn't have been there) and smoking wasn't allowed on
Morning sweetie! Thankyou for being so conscience of others breathing
issues. Sounds like a lovely evening out. Did you kick up t he dance
floor too? I love to dance after a couple of drinks. ;-) Not very
good at it, but its fun.
On Mar 16, 7:48 am, Mrs. Rabbit mrs.whiterab...@gmail.com wrote:
As I shared with Mrs. R several weeks ago, I believe that I am quite
dashing, debonair, (De Bone Are??) and just downright graceful on the
dance floor, but only after I have had five beers. Can't be four beers,
can't be six beers; but only five beers. Back when I lived in the
Carolinas, we
Ah, now the truth is out, you are a charmer! Better watch them
Carolina girls, when they get mad, they get even.
I wish I could get hubby to take dance lessons, shagging is our state
dance ya know. He will do the one arm around my waist, one beer in
hand, slow dance. It's a shame to have to
Let me get this straight Keith - you can shag on the dance floor in South
Carolina but you can't have a cigarette afterwards?
CW OH! That is just so wrong ;-)
- Original Message -
From: Keith In Tampa
To: PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 01:33
Thats gringo southerner slang shag, not british slang shag. (unfortunately)
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote:
*Let me get this straight Keith - you can shag on the dance floor in
South Carolina but you can't have a cigarette afterwards?*
**
*CW OH!
After five beers or a few cocktails most think they are Ginger and
Fred. :-)
On Mar 16, 12:33�pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote:
As I shared with Mrs. R several weeks ago, I believe that I am quite
dashing, debonair, (De Bone Are??) �and just downright graceful on the
dance
When we were dating, one of the ex Mrs. Keith In Tampa's asked me, Do you
smoke after sex? To which I replied, I dunno I never looked.
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote:
*Let me get this straight Keith - you can shag on the dance floor in
South
LOL, yep, you are right about that rigsy!
On Mar 16, 6:01 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote:
After five beers or a few cocktails most think they are Ginger and
Fred. :-)
On Mar 16, 12:33 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote:
As I shared with Mrs. R several weeks ago, I
Thanks Rigsy! CW
Billy Collins - The Best Cigarette
There are many that I miss
having sent my last one out a car window
sparking along the road one night, years ago.
The heralded one, of course:
after sex, the two glowing tips
now the lights of a single ship;
at the end of a long dinner
with
I'm sorry, I just do not want the government telling me what I can or
cannot do.
I do not smoke, can't and don't want to because of health reasons and
because of how much it costs ... BUT I do NOT support any smoking ban
imposed by any governmnet entity.
Let the resturants do the banning, let
That's right...I don't care about you standing in the cold . I did it
for years and didn't bitch and moan about it. I never smoked in my own
home when my children lived there. Because any fool knows ciggerettes
aren't good for developing lungs. It's the law now and I don't feel
sorry for you
I don't have a problem with that. The problem prior to the ban was
'every' restuarant allowed smoking. If it were divided up and there
where an equal number of licenses for smoking and non smoking
establishments( I don't want to drive 12 miles to find a smokefree
place) that would be an
That would have been the common sense approach Mark, (and Navy!!) but
unfortunately, when far left extremists get involved with regulating they
don't consider common sense. I'm here to tell ya, the days of smoking in
public are gone. If your state still allows it, enjoy it while you can.
I agree with that.
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 8:32 AM, NavyBrat dotis2...@comcast.net wrote:
I don't have a problem with that. The problem prior to the ban was
'every' restuarant allowed smoking. If it were divided up and there
where an equal number of licenses for smoking and non smoking
see? We can come to middle ground. I do get riled when someone like
Americanbuiltus gets nasty and attacks. My daughter smokes and as
someone who did it for 30 plus years, I do know what it feels like to
be put outside to smoke. But of course since I'm done with it, I don't
mind at all being able
Then that should extend to their food which has been drenched with
lethal chemicals since the 50's or 60's. Silent Spring-Rachel Carson
On Mar 15, 9:59�am, NavyBrat dotis2...@comcast.net wrote:
see? We can come to middle ground. I do get riled when someone like
Americanbuiltus gets nasty and
what about restaurant owners in THEIR OWN bars?
or business owners in THEIR OWN office buildings?
*
As I said in my post. Not the same as a private home. The restuarants
and bars have health codes they have to meet to serve the public.
Smoking falls well within those health
find the report for ONE SINGLE scientific study that tests smoking
with a control group and finds it to CAUSE CANCER. not just some clown
saying it - i want THE REPORT with scientific data AND test results...
and don't say they haven't tried.
then do the same research on the water that is used
I smoked for thirty years when I finally gave them up 10 years ago. I
gave them up for three reasons, I was sick of smoking, the cost was
becoming prohibitive, and last but most important for making me want
to quit..being made to feel like a scumbag looser. I was thrilled
when the restuarants
Then allow the law to allow both smoking and non- smoking
establishments. Problem solved for all. I agree that non-smokers
should have smoke free places to drink and dine. I also feel that
smokers should have the same opportunities.
On Mar 14, 6:50 am, NavyBrat dotis2...@comcast.net wrote:
I
As if those auto exhaust fumes aren't the same risk to weak lungs or
industrial dusts and chemical mists.
On Mar 13, 11:30 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote:
Individuals do have the right to smoke in public, and there is absolutely
no proof that their smoking can in any way
I must admit I have trouble with another smoker' s exhaled smoke in
close quarters. I never thought I would wind up on decks or street
corners like a trollop, however. And the packing away of gorgeous
cases, ashtrays and lighters seems cruel. White walls and pages soon
turn into parchment and my
On Mar 14, 7:50 am, NavyBrat dotis2...@comcast.net wrote:
Your freedoms don't out freedom mine. ;).
i see how you are. your freedom to get what YOU WANT is more important
than mine. maybe instead of me standing outside smoking in the cold...
you should stop taking your children to eat in a
It is ridiculous to think there is not some system that could filter
the air in the smokers sections. The truth is demonizing smoking is a
great tax revenue. Go to Europe-formerly- and the Middle East and
smoking is all over the place without shame- men pop out like cartoons
to light your
Ironic to think our Republic probably started in taverns.
On Mar 14, 12:15 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote:
Then allow the law to allow both smoking and non- smoking
establishments. Problem solved for all. I agree that non-smokers
should have smoke free places to drink and
LOL!! I went out to dinner with friends a few weeks ago. We went to this
great restaurant downtown (Cleveland) and after dinner I went outside to
have a cigarette and there I am - standing in the freezing cold - on a
corner with hookers - smoking!! I actually considered quitting at that
Why is a great restaurant in Cleveland in the heart of hooker-
ville?// I suppose your death cerificate will read pneumonia instead
of smoking.// Billy somebody had a poem about smoking after sex but I
guess I misfiled it.
On Mar 14, 6:10 pm, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote:
LOL!! I
LOL!!! The restaurant is old and is in an old area but the food is
excellent. It is actually trendy. LOL Find the poem Rigs. hehehe
CW
- Original Message -
From: rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com
To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 07:20
It may be like the restaurants and bars I spent my early childhood in,
CW. I was a chaperone for my mother and her battles with midwestern
wanna-be mafia/bootlegger types amid all those Irish, German and
Scandinavian slaves at $1. a day. My mother probably figured she
wouldn't be killed with a
Billy Collins- The Best Cigarette http://www.american poems.com/
poets/Billy-Collins/816
On Mar 14, 6:27 pm, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote:
LOL!!! The restaurant is old and is in an old area but the food is
excellent. It is actually trendy. LOL Find the poem Rigs. hehehe
CW
http://www.cancer.org/docroot/PED/content/PED_10_2X_Secondhand_Smoke-Clean_Indoor_Air.asp
http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0Eb=39858
http://www.no-smoke.org/getthefacts.php?id=13
http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/pdfs/trifold_brochure.pdf
Secondhand Smoke Fact Sheet
Secondhand smoke, also know as environmental tobacco smoke (ETS), is a
mixture of the smoke given off by the burning end of a cigarette, pipe
or cigar and the smoke exhaled from the lungs of smokers. It is
involuntarily inhaled by nonsmokers, lingers in the air hours
On Mar 12, 12:23 pm, Philobealo wayneb...@yahoo.com wrote:
A ban
on smoking in public venues is not an intrusion on private enterprise
as much as it’s minimal government interference in a personal habit
that affects the health and pocketbooks of innocent citizens.
in my state, they decided
I admit that people have the right to smoke, but they don't have the
right to do it in a public place where they can affect other people's
health. If someone wants to ruin their health, I say go for it, but
they're not taking me down with them.
On Mar 12, 6:10 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE
Individuals do have the right to smoke in public, and there is absolutely
no proof that their smoking can in any way affect your health.
Tobacco is a legal commodity here in the United States, and taxed
unmercifully. Personally, I smoked enough cigarettes to build the
interstate system that you
from my local paper
With regard to the recent letters about smoking bans at restaurants
and other public accommodation venues, I would prefer to think of it
not as an issue of freedom of economic choice for the restaurant
owner. I prefer to think of it as an issue of workplace health and
safety.
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Philobealo wayneb...@yahoo.com wrote:
As long as leading health experts not funded by tobacco companies are
in agreement that smoking and second-hand smoke are indeed injurious
to the health of those affected by both, it would behoove government
to set the health
The tobacco companies were so profitable it is no wonder the
government and insurance companies went after them. It might happen to
liquor, as well// I am from a very healthy generation and all the
parents smoked and so did we. The rise in autism and breast cancer can
be traced to children
My wife just watched her 63-year old mother waste away and die of lung
cancer after smoking most of her adult life. I then went to the
funeral of a 47-year old smoking coworker who died of lung cancer.
Don't tell me that smoking is not harmful.
On Mar 12, 1:56 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com
By the way, my wife's non-smoking 90-year old great-grandmother is
still with us.
On Mar 12, 2:18 pm, Philobealo wayneb...@yahoo.com wrote:
My wife just watched her 63-year old mother waste away and die of lung
cancer after smoking most of her adult life. I then went to the
funeral of a
Well, I have a neighbor, M. who's in her upper 80's and smokes 3 packs
a day. She now orders cartons from an Indian Reservation.// It all
depends on ones constitution and though I am sorry for your losses I
don't buy the argument. Few consider the damage of street and rx drugs
since the 60's that
And E's grandfather was a doctor and heavy smoker and lived till his
mid-90's. What about Churchill? Cigars and brandy plus a long life. I
think some harbor a Freudian death wish.
On Mar 12, 2:22 pm, Philobealo wayneb...@yahoo.com wrote:
By the way, my wife's non-smoking 90-year old
My 87 year old, three pack, a day father just died of natural
causes'. His 97 year old Mother died of the same cause... 2+ packs a
day. They are not the exception. Your are or are not pre disposed to
cancer, it is that simple.
as for the rest I agree with Keith entirely There is NO proven
Oh, the youngest and only non-smoker in the family, my uncle Matheus
died at 72 of emphasema and lung cancer. Go figure.
On Mar 12, 1:41 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote:
And E's grandfather was a doctor and heavy smoker and lived till his
mid-90's. What about Churchill? Cigars and brandy
The difference between smoking and those other vices, is that when you
choose to smoke, you also choose that I smoke is well. When you choose
to harm your health, you also choose to harm my health, when you
choose to stink like a dead carcass, you also choose that I stink like
a dead carcass
Now that is just wrong and a lie. Most smokers are conscious of their
environment. If I am at a table in a restaurant smoking and you CHOOSE
to sit there instead of a different table (whether there is one or
not) or a different restaurant that is YOUR choice. You choose instaed
to impose your
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