Re: Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder
But the Haitian Revolt of the early 1800's did convince Napoleon to abandon Louisiana and make his fire-sale of it to Jefferson... On Mar 23, 5:27 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: The history of Haiti is also non-inspiring. On Mar 23, 4:18 pm, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: Ah yes the Mexican War of 1846. Poor abused Mexicans, they had their Empire taken away from them which they deemed theirs by right of Spanish Conquest... An further it was was theirs for a LENGTH 25 years... Then the North refused to let the South conquer Cuba or Mexico for the privilege of more slave states... On Mar 23, 10:27 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: You know, I have given this a lot of thought, and I have a better idea. Why don't we continue the whole, Manifest Destiny deal, and just take Mexico? We'll get rid of their corrupt politicians, thereby replacing them with our own corrupt politicians.Eventually, we can divide Mexico up into a couple or three states. They have some really good beaches, and some oil reserves.We'll keep the minimum wage down there at like $2.85 an hour, and gradually bring it up to our own standard; *e.g*.; Keith In Tampa's Ten Year Plan.This would resolve the border issue, and provide some new, really cool domestic vacation spots as well as a cheap labor pool that is legal, and Dos Equis and Corona Beer will automatically come down in price! \ On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote: Let em have Texas back and we'll throw in the fake cowboy Bush TO BOOT. Peace, Doc On Mar 22, 9:41 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you. And I hope America will survive Mexico. Goodnight. On Mar 22, 9:29 pm, Jim Willis conservativespringfi...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Rigsy; Nuff said! On Mar 22, 8:48 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Hamas fired thousands of rockets into Israel. Are you ready to see the same in your country? Sorry- but if the Gazans are voting for Hamas and its blessing by Carter/unsmarted, their death and destruction is their tough luck. On Mar 22, 8:42 pm, RW rogerwbo...@yahoo.com wrote: Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder By Donald Macintyre, The Independent. Posted March 21, 2009. Army veterans reveal how they gunned down innocent Palestinian families and destroyed homes and farms. Israel onfronted a major challenge on Thursday night over the conduct of its 22-day military offensive in Gaza after testimonies by its own soldiers revealed that troops were allowed and, in some cases, even ordered to shoot unarmed Palestinian civilians. The testimonies – the first of their kind to emerge from inside the military – are at marked variance with official claims that the military made strenuous efforts to avoid civilian casualties and tend to corroborate Palestinian accusations that troops used indiscriminate and disproportionate firepower in civilian areas during the operation. In one of the testimonies shedding harsh new light on what the soldiers say were the permissive rules of engagement for Operation Cast Lead, one soldier describes how an officer ordered the shooting of an elderly woman 100 metres from a house commandeered by troops. Another soldier, describing how a mother and her children were shot dead by a sniper after they turned the wrong way out of a house, says the atmosphere among troops was that the lives of Palestinians were very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. A squad leader said: At the beginning the directive was to enter a house with an armoured vehicle, to break the door down, to start shooting inside and – I call it murder – to shoot at everyone we identify. In the beginning I asked myself how could this make sense? Higher-ups said it is permissible because everyone left in the city [Gaza City] is culpable because they didn't run away. The accounts, which also describe apparently indiscriminate destruction of property, were given at a post-operation discussion by graduates of the Yitzhak Rabin pre-military course at the Oranim Academic College in northern Israel. The transcript of the session in front of the head of the course – details from which were published by the newspaper Haaretz – prompted the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) military advocate general Avichai Mendelblit yesterday to announce
Re: Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder
He just needed some cash flow. :-) On Mar 24, 9:31 am, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: But the Haitian Revolt of the early 1800's did convince Napoleon to abandon Louisiana and make his fire-sale of it to Jefferson... On Mar 23, 5:27 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: The history of Haiti is also non-inspiring. On Mar 23, 4:18 pm, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: Ah yes the Mexican War of 1846. Poor abused Mexicans, they had their Empire taken away from them which they deemed theirs by right of Spanish Conquest... An further it was was theirs for a LENGTH 25 years... Then the North refused to let the South conquer Cuba or Mexico for the privilege of more slave states... On Mar 23, 10:27 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: You know, I have given this a lot of thought, and I have a better idea. Why don't we continue the whole, Manifest Destiny deal, and just take Mexico? We'll get rid of their corrupt politicians, thereby replacing them with our own corrupt politicians.Eventually, we can divide Mexico up into a couple or three states. They have some really good beaches, and some oil reserves.We'll keep the minimum wage down there at like $2.85 an hour, and gradually bring it up to our own standard; *e.g*.; Keith In Tampa's Ten Year Plan.This would resolve the border issue, and provide some new, really cool domestic vacation spots as well as a cheap labor pool that is legal, and Dos Equis and Corona Beer will automatically come down in price! \ On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote: Let em have Texas back and we'll throw in the fake cowboy Bush TO BOOT. Peace, Doc On Mar 22, 9:41 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you. And I hope America will survive Mexico. Goodnight. On Mar 22, 9:29 pm, Jim Willis conservativespringfi...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Rigsy; Nuff said! On Mar 22, 8:48 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Hamas fired thousands of rockets into Israel. Are you ready to see the same in your country? Sorry- but if the Gazans are voting for Hamas and its blessing by Carter/unsmarted, their death and destruction is their tough luck. On Mar 22, 8:42 pm, RW rogerwbo...@yahoo.com wrote: Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder By Donald Macintyre, The Independent. Posted March 21, 2009. Army veterans reveal how they gunned down innocent Palestinian families and destroyed homes and farms. Israel onfronted a major challenge on Thursday night over the conduct of its 22-day military offensive in Gaza after testimonies by its own soldiers revealed that troops were allowed and, in some cases, even ordered to shoot unarmed Palestinian civilians. The testimonies – the first of their kind to emerge from inside the military – are at marked variance with official claims that the military made strenuous efforts to avoid civilian casualties and tend to corroborate Palestinian accusations that troops used indiscriminate and disproportionate firepower in civilian areas during the operation. In one of the testimonies shedding harsh new light on what the soldiers say were the permissive rules of engagement for Operation Cast Lead, one soldier describes how an officer ordered the shooting of an elderly woman 100 metres from a house commandeered by troops. Another soldier, describing how a mother and her children were shot dead by a sniper after they turned the wrong way out of a house, says the atmosphere among troops was that the lives of Palestinians were very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. A squad leader said: At the beginning the directive was to enter a house with an armoured vehicle, to break the door down, to start shooting inside and – I call it murder – to shoot at everyone we identify. In the beginning I asked myself how could this make sense? Higher-ups said it is permissible because everyone left in the city [Gaza City] is culpable because they didn't run away. The accounts, which also describe apparently indiscriminate destruction of property, were given at a post-operation discussion by graduates of the Yitzhak Rabin pre-military course at the Oranim Academic College in northern Israel. The transcript
Re: Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder
Except for militant LW peacenics who decry only the wars America fights --- in the others they do not get to glorify in their self- claim of moral righteousness... Not unlike Radical Islamic, they are today's ugly missionaries... On Mar 24, 10:49 am, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: Just another war. Just another day. Really? --- yes Warmongers Beware! Those who live by the sword shall die by the sword. On Mar 23, 3:54 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: No one bothered over the slaughter of Armenians (Turkey) or Andersonville (USA Civil War) or British camps during the Boer War, nor trench warfare and poisonous gases in WWI, nor the fire bombing of German cities nor the atomic bombs over Japan nor Agent Orange in Viet Nam. Or the four policemen killed in CA and met with street torments. Just another war. Just another day. Really? On Mar 23, 3:39 pm, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: The Volkwagan and death/slave camps were Hitlers. How did/has that worked out? --- successful? btw - what exactly did Henry Ford say about semites that would cause you to call him an anti-semite? On Mar 23, 3:21 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Henry Ford was anti-Semitic, Doc. Have my mother's book by him buried in a box in the basement and I've never read it. All geniuses have a flaw. Division of labor and the Model-T was Henry's bright idea. The Volkwagan and death/slave camps were Hitlers. How did/has that worked out? What about the Edsel? :-) Or that son of Ford's.// History cannot be redone. There are no leftovers or scrap cloth. On Mar 23, 10:19 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Remember, Ford has already got dibs on it Keith...;-) Ford has a better idea; right? What about we all go back to Africa and dole out the land all over again; you know just start from the beginning. Peace Doc On Mar 23, 9:27 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: You know, I have given this a lot of thought, and I have a better idea. Why don't we continue the whole, Manifest Destiny deal, and just take Mexico? We'll get rid of their corrupt politicians, thereby replacing them with our own corrupt politicians.Eventually, we can divide Mexico up into a couple or three states. They have some really good beaches, and some oil reserves.We'll keep the minimum wage down there at like $2.85 an hour, and gradually bring it up to our own standard; *e.g*.; Keith In Tampa's Ten Year Plan.This would resolve the border issue, and provide some new, really cool domestic vacation spots as well as a cheap labor pool that is legal, and Dos Equis and Corona Beer will automatically come down in price! \ On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote: Let em have Texas back and we'll throw in the fake cowboy Bush TO BOOT. Peace, Doc On Mar 22, 9:41 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you. And I hope America will survive Mexico. Goodnight. On Mar 22, 9:29 pm, Jim Willis conservativespringfi...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Rigsy; Nuff said! On Mar 22, 8:48 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Hamas fired thousands of rockets into Israel. Are you ready to see the same in your country? Sorry- but if the Gazans are voting for Hamas and its blessing by Carter/unsmarted, their death and destruction is their tough luck. On Mar 22, 8:42 pm, RW rogerwbo...@yahoo.com wrote: Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder By Donald Macintyre, The Independent. Posted March 21, 2009. Army veterans reveal how they gunned down innocent Palestinian families and destroyed homes and farms. Israel onfronted a major challenge on Thursday night over the conduct of its 22-day military offensive in Gaza after testimonies by its own soldiers revealed that troops were allowed and, in some cases, even ordered to shoot unarmed Palestinian civilians. The testimonies – the first of their kind to emerge from inside the military – are at marked variance with official claims that the military made strenuous efforts to avoid civilian casualties and tend to corroborate Palestinian accusations that troops used indiscriminate and disproportionate firepower in civilian areas during the operation. In one
Re: Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder
You know, I have given this a lot of thought, and I have a better idea. Why don't we continue the whole, Manifest Destiny deal, and just take Mexico? We'll get rid of their corrupt politicians, thereby replacing them with our own corrupt politicians.Eventually, we can divide Mexico up into a couple or three states. They have some really good beaches, and some oil reserves.We'll keep the minimum wage down there at like $2.85 an hour, and gradually bring it up to our own standard; *e.g*.; Keith In Tampa's Ten Year Plan.This would resolve the border issue, and provide some new, really cool domestic vacation spots as well as a cheap labor pool that is legal, and Dos Equis and Corona Beer will automatically come down in price! \ On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote: Let em have Texas back and we'll throw in the fake cowboy Bush TO BOOT. Peace, Doc On Mar 22, 9:41 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you. And I hope America will survive Mexico. Goodnight. On Mar 22, 9:29 pm, Jim Willis conservativespringfi...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Rigsy; Nuff said! On Mar 22, 8:48 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Hamas fired thousands of rockets into Israel. Are you ready to see the same in your country? Sorry- but if the Gazans are voting for Hamas and its blessing by Carter/unsmarted, their death and destruction is their tough luck. On Mar 22, 8:42 pm, RW rogerwbo...@yahoo.com wrote: Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder By Donald Macintyre, The Independent. Posted March 21, 2009. Army veterans reveal how they gunned down innocent Palestinian families and destroyed homes and farms. Israel onfronted a major challenge on Thursday night over the conduct of its 22-day military offensive in Gaza after testimonies by its own soldiers revealed that troops were allowed and, in some cases, even ordered to shoot unarmed Palestinian civilians. The testimonies – the first of their kind to emerge from inside the military – are at marked variance with official claims that the military made strenuous efforts to avoid civilian casualties and tend to corroborate Palestinian accusations that troops used indiscriminate and disproportionate firepower in civilian areas during the operation. In one of the testimonies shedding harsh new light on what the soldiers say were the permissive rules of engagement for Operation Cast Lead, one soldier describes how an officer ordered the shooting of an elderly woman 100 metres from a house commandeered by troops. Another soldier, describing how a mother and her children were shot dead by a sniper after they turned the wrong way out of a house, says the atmosphere among troops was that the lives of Palestinians were very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. A squad leader said: At the beginning the directive was to enter a house with an armoured vehicle, to break the door down, to start shooting inside and – I call it murder – to shoot at everyone we identify. In the beginning I asked myself how could this make sense? Higher-ups said it is permissible because everyone left in the city [Gaza City] is culpable because they didn't run away. The accounts, which also describe apparently indiscriminate destruction of property, were given at a post-operation discussion by graduates of the Yitzhak Rabin pre-military course at the Oranim Academic College in northern Israel. The transcript of the session in front of the head of the course – details from which were published by the newspaper Haaretz – prompted the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) military advocate general Avichai Mendelblit yesterday to announce a military police investigation into the claims. Haaretz said the airing of the dirty secrets would make it more difficult for Israelis to dismiss the claims as Palestinian propaganda. The course principal, Danny Zamir, told the newspaper that after being shocked by the testimonies on 13 February he told the IDF chief of staff Gabi Ashkenazi he feared a serious moral failure in the IDF. In one account, an infantry squad leader describes how troops released a family who had been held in a room of their house for several days. He said: The platoon commander let the family go and told them to go to the right. One mother and her two children didn't understand and went to the left, but they forgot to tell the sharpshooter on the roof they had let them go and it was okay... The sharpshooter saw a woman and children approaching him. He shot them straight away. I don't think he felt too bad about it, because, as far as he was concerned, he did his job according
Re: Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder
Why don't we continue the whole, Manifest Destiny deal, and just take Mexico? --- sound logic we should make them an offer they can't refuse On Mar 23, 9:27 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: You know, I have given this a lot of thought, and I have a better idea. Why don't we continue the whole, Manifest Destiny deal, and just take Mexico? We'll get rid of their corrupt politicians, thereby replacing them with our own corrupt politicians.Eventually, we can divide Mexico up into a couple or three states. They have some really good beaches, and some oil reserves.We'll keep the minimum wage down there at like $2.85 an hour, and gradually bring it up to our own standard; *e.g*.; Keith In Tampa's Ten Year Plan.This would resolve the border issue, and provide some new, really cool domestic vacation spots as well as a cheap labor pool that is legal, and Dos Equis and Corona Beer will automatically come down in price! \ On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote: Let em have Texas back and we'll throw in the fake cowboy Bush TO BOOT. Peace, Doc On Mar 22, 9:41 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you. And I hope America will survive Mexico. Goodnight. On Mar 22, 9:29 pm, Jim Willis conservativespringfi...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Rigsy; Nuff said! On Mar 22, 8:48 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Hamas fired thousands of rockets into Israel. Are you ready to see the same in your country? Sorry- but if the Gazans are voting for Hamas and its blessing by Carter/unsmarted, their death and destruction is their tough luck. On Mar 22, 8:42 pm, RW rogerwbo...@yahoo.com wrote: Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder By Donald Macintyre, The Independent. Posted March 21, 2009. Army veterans reveal how they gunned down innocent Palestinian families and destroyed homes and farms. Israel onfronted a major challenge on Thursday night over the conduct of its 22-day military offensive in Gaza after testimonies by its own soldiers revealed that troops were allowed and, in some cases, even ordered to shoot unarmed Palestinian civilians. The testimonies – the first of their kind to emerge from inside the military – are at marked variance with official claims that the military made strenuous efforts to avoid civilian casualties and tend to corroborate Palestinian accusations that troops used indiscriminate and disproportionate firepower in civilian areas during the operation. In one of the testimonies shedding harsh new light on what the soldiers say were the permissive rules of engagement for Operation Cast Lead, one soldier describes how an officer ordered the shooting of an elderly woman 100 metres from a house commandeered by troops. Another soldier, describing how a mother and her children were shot dead by a sniper after they turned the wrong way out of a house, says the atmosphere among troops was that the lives of Palestinians were very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. A squad leader said: At the beginning the directive was to enter a house with an armoured vehicle, to break the door down, to start shooting inside and – I call it murder – to shoot at everyone we identify. In the beginning I asked myself how could this make sense? Higher-ups said it is permissible because everyone left in the city [Gaza City] is culpable because they didn't run away. The accounts, which also describe apparently indiscriminate destruction of property, were given at a post-operation discussion by graduates of the Yitzhak Rabin pre-military course at the Oranim Academic College in northern Israel. The transcript of the session in front of the head of the course – details from which were published by the newspaper Haaretz – prompted the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) military advocate general Avichai Mendelblit yesterday to announce a military police investigation into the claims. Haaretz said the airing of the dirty secrets would make it more difficult for Israelis to dismiss the claims as Palestinian propaganda. The course principal, Danny Zamir, told the newspaper that after being shocked by the testimonies on 13 February he told the IDF chief of staff Gabi Ashkenazi he feared a serious moral failure in the IDF. In one account, an infantry squad leader describes how troops released a family who had been held in a room of their house for several days. He said: The platoon commander let the family go and told them to go to the right. One mother and her two children didn't understand and went to the left, but they forgot to tell
Re: Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder
Remember, Ford has already got dibs on it Keith...;-) Ford has a better idea; right? What about we all go back to Africa and dole out the land all over again; you know just start from the beginning. Peace Doc On Mar 23, 9:27 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: You know, I have given this a lot of thought, and I have a better idea. Why don't we continue the whole, Manifest Destiny deal, and just take Mexico? We'll get rid of their corrupt politicians, thereby replacing them with our own corrupt politicians.Eventually, we can divide Mexico up into a couple or three states. They have some really good beaches, and some oil reserves.We'll keep the minimum wage down there at like $2.85 an hour, and gradually bring it up to our own standard; *e.g*.; Keith In Tampa's Ten Year Plan.This would resolve the border issue, and provide some new, really cool domestic vacation spots as well as a cheap labor pool that is legal, and Dos Equis and Corona Beer will automatically come down in price! \ On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote: Let em have Texas back and we'll throw in the fake cowboy Bush TO BOOT. Peace, Doc On Mar 22, 9:41 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you. And I hope America will survive Mexico. Goodnight. On Mar 22, 9:29 pm, Jim Willis conservativespringfi...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Rigsy; Nuff said! On Mar 22, 8:48 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Hamas fired thousands of rockets into Israel. Are you ready to see the same in your country? Sorry- but if the Gazans are voting for Hamas and its blessing by Carter/unsmarted, their death and destruction is their tough luck. On Mar 22, 8:42 pm, RW rogerwbo...@yahoo.com wrote: Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder By Donald Macintyre, The Independent. Posted March 21, 2009. Army veterans reveal how they gunned down innocent Palestinian families and destroyed homes and farms. Israel onfronted a major challenge on Thursday night over the conduct of its 22-day military offensive in Gaza after testimonies by its own soldiers revealed that troops were allowed and, in some cases, even ordered to shoot unarmed Palestinian civilians. The testimonies – the first of their kind to emerge from inside the military – are at marked variance with official claims that the military made strenuous efforts to avoid civilian casualties and tend to corroborate Palestinian accusations that troops used indiscriminate and disproportionate firepower in civilian areas during the operation. In one of the testimonies shedding harsh new light on what the soldiers say were the permissive rules of engagement for Operation Cast Lead, one soldier describes how an officer ordered the shooting of an elderly woman 100 metres from a house commandeered by troops. Another soldier, describing how a mother and her children were shot dead by a sniper after they turned the wrong way out of a house, says the atmosphere among troops was that the lives of Palestinians were very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. A squad leader said: At the beginning the directive was to enter a house with an armoured vehicle, to break the door down, to start shooting inside and – I call it murder – to shoot at everyone we identify. In the beginning I asked myself how could this make sense? Higher-ups said it is permissible because everyone left in the city [Gaza City] is culpable because they didn't run away. The accounts, which also describe apparently indiscriminate destruction of property, were given at a post-operation discussion by graduates of the Yitzhak Rabin pre-military course at the Oranim Academic College in northern Israel. The transcript of the session in front of the head of the course – details from which were published by the newspaper Haaretz – prompted the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) military advocate general Avichai Mendelblit yesterday to announce a military police investigation into the claims. Haaretz said the airing of the dirty secrets would make it more difficult for Israelis to dismiss the claims as Palestinian propaganda. The course principal, Danny Zamir, told the newspaper that after being shocked by the testimonies on 13 February he told the IDF chief of staff Gabi Ashkenazi he feared a serious moral failure in the IDF. In one account, an infantry squad leader describes how troops released a family who had been held in a room of their house for several days. He said: The platoon commander let the family go and told them to go to the right. One mother and her two children
Re: Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder
Far too many Negroes there. On Mar 23, 9:19 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Remember, Ford has already got dibs on it Keith...;-) Ford has a better idea; right? What about we all go back to Africa and dole out the land all over again; you know just start from the beginning. Peace Doc On Mar 23, 9:27 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: You know, I have given this a lot of thought, and I have a better idea. Why don't we continue the whole, Manifest Destiny deal, and just take Mexico? We'll get rid of their corrupt politicians, thereby replacing them with our own corrupt politicians.Eventually, we can divide Mexico up into a couple or three states. They have some really good beaches, and some oil reserves.We'll keep the minimum wage down there at like $2.85 an hour, and gradually bring it up to our own standard; *e.g*.; Keith In Tampa's Ten Year Plan.This would resolve the border issue, and provide some new, really cool domestic vacation spots as well as a cheap labor pool that is legal, and Dos Equis and Corona Beer will automatically come down in price! \ On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote: Let em have Texas back and we'll throw in the fake cowboy Bush TO BOOT. Peace, Doc On Mar 22, 9:41 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you. And I hope America will survive Mexico. Goodnight. On Mar 22, 9:29 pm, Jim Willis conservativespringfi...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Rigsy; Nuff said! On Mar 22, 8:48 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Hamas fired thousands of rockets into Israel. Are you ready to see the same in your country? Sorry- but if the Gazans are voting for Hamas and its blessing by Carter/unsmarted, their death and destruction is their tough luck. On Mar 22, 8:42 pm, RW rogerwbo...@yahoo.com wrote: Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder By Donald Macintyre, The Independent. Posted March 21, 2009. Army veterans reveal how they gunned down innocent Palestinian families and destroyed homes and farms. Israel onfronted a major challenge on Thursday night over the conduct of its 22-day military offensive in Gaza after testimonies by its own soldiers revealed that troops were allowed and, in some cases, even ordered to shoot unarmed Palestinian civilians. The testimonies – the first of their kind to emerge from inside the military – are at marked variance with official claims that the military made strenuous efforts to avoid civilian casualties and tend to corroborate Palestinian accusations that troops used indiscriminate and disproportionate firepower in civilian areas during the operation. In one of the testimonies shedding harsh new light on what the soldiers say were the permissive rules of engagement for Operation Cast Lead, one soldier describes how an officer ordered the shooting of an elderly woman 100 metres from a house commandeered by troops. Another soldier, describing how a mother and her children were shot dead by a sniper after they turned the wrong way out of a house, says the atmosphere among troops was that the lives of Palestinians were very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. A squad leader said: At the beginning the directive was to enter a house with an armoured vehicle, to break the door down, to start shooting inside and – I call it murder – to shoot at everyone we identify. In the beginning I asked myself how could this make sense? Higher-ups said it is permissible because everyone left in the city [Gaza City] is culpable because they didn't run away. The accounts, which also describe apparently indiscriminate destruction of property, were given at a post-operation discussion by graduates of the Yitzhak Rabin pre-military course at the Oranim Academic College in northern Israel. The transcript of the session in front of the head of the course – details from which were published by the newspaper Haaretz – prompted the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) military advocate general Avichai Mendelblit yesterday to announce a military police investigation into the claims. Haaretz said the airing of the dirty secrets would make it more difficult for Israelis to dismiss the claims as Palestinian propaganda. The course principal, Danny Zamir, told the newspaper that after being shocked by the testimonies on 13 February he told the IDF chief of staff Gabi Ashkenazi he feared a serious moral failure in the IDF. In one account
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Henry Ford was anti-Semitic, Doc. Have my mother's book by him buried in a box in the basement and I've never read it. All geniuses have a flaw. Division of labor and the Model-T was Henry's bright idea. The Volkwagan and death/slave camps were Hitlers. How did/has that worked out? What about the Edsel? :-) Or that son of Ford's.// History cannot be redone. There are no leftovers or scrap cloth. On Mar 23, 10:19 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Remember, Ford has already got dibs on it Keith...;-) Ford has a better idea; right? What about we all go back to Africa and dole out the land all over again; you know just start from the beginning. Peace Doc On Mar 23, 9:27 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: You know, I have given this a lot of thought, and I have a better idea. Why don't we continue the whole, Manifest Destiny deal, and just take Mexico? We'll get rid of their corrupt politicians, thereby replacing them with our own corrupt politicians.Eventually, we can divide Mexico up into a couple or three states. They have some really good beaches, and some oil reserves.We'll keep the minimum wage down there at like $2.85 an hour, and gradually bring it up to our own standard; *e.g*.; Keith In Tampa's Ten Year Plan.This would resolve the border issue, and provide some new, really cool domestic vacation spots as well as a cheap labor pool that is legal, and Dos Equis and Corona Beer will automatically come down in price! \ On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote: Let em have Texas back and we'll throw in the fake cowboy Bush TO BOOT. Peace, Doc On Mar 22, 9:41 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you. And I hope America will survive Mexico. Goodnight. On Mar 22, 9:29 pm, Jim Willis conservativespringfi...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Rigsy; Nuff said! On Mar 22, 8:48 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Hamas fired thousands of rockets into Israel. Are you ready to see the same in your country? Sorry- but if the Gazans are voting for Hamas and its blessing by Carter/unsmarted, their death and destruction is their tough luck. On Mar 22, 8:42 pm, RW rogerwbo...@yahoo.com wrote: Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder By Donald Macintyre, The Independent. Posted March 21, 2009. Army veterans reveal how they gunned down innocent Palestinian families and destroyed homes and farms. Israel onfronted a major challenge on Thursday night over the conduct of its 22-day military offensive in Gaza after testimonies by its own soldiers revealed that troops were allowed and, in some cases, even ordered to shoot unarmed Palestinian civilians. The testimonies – the first of their kind to emerge from inside the military – are at marked variance with official claims that the military made strenuous efforts to avoid civilian casualties and tend to corroborate Palestinian accusations that troops used indiscriminate and disproportionate firepower in civilian areas during the operation. In one of the testimonies shedding harsh new light on what the soldiers say were the permissive rules of engagement for Operation Cast Lead, one soldier describes how an officer ordered the shooting of an elderly woman 100 metres from a house commandeered by troops. Another soldier, describing how a mother and her children were shot dead by a sniper after they turned the wrong way out of a house, says the atmosphere among troops was that the lives of Palestinians were very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. A squad leader said: At the beginning the directive was to enter a house with an armoured vehicle, to break the door down, to start shooting inside and – I call it murder – to shoot at everyone we identify. In the beginning I asked myself how could this make sense? Higher-ups said it is permissible because everyone left in the city [Gaza City] is culpable because they didn't run away. The accounts, which also describe apparently indiscriminate destruction of property, were given at a post-operation discussion by graduates of the Yitzhak Rabin pre-military course at the Oranim Academic College in northern Israel. The transcript of the session in front of the head of the course – details from which were published by the newspaper Haaretz – prompted the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) military advocate general Avichai Mendelblit yesterday to announce a military police investigation into the claims. Haaretz said the airing of the dirty
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I want the Garden of Eden and will refuse Satan's apple from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil- some think it located in what is now modern Iraq- ironic. And I won't coax an Adam to take a bite. Some women know men are terrible liars. :-) On Mar 23, 10:19 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Remember, Ford has already got dibs on it Keith...;-) Ford has a better idea; right? What about we all go back to Africa and dole out the land all over again; you know just start from the beginning. Peace Doc On Mar 23, 9:27 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: You know, I have given this a lot of thought, and I have a better idea. Why don't we continue the whole, Manifest Destiny deal, and just take Mexico? We'll get rid of their corrupt politicians, thereby replacing them with our own corrupt politicians.Eventually, we can divide Mexico up into a couple or three states. They have some really good beaches, and some oil reserves.We'll keep the minimum wage down there at like $2.85 an hour, and gradually bring it up to our own standard; *e.g*.; Keith In Tampa's Ten Year Plan.This would resolve the border issue, and provide some new, really cool domestic vacation spots as well as a cheap labor pool that is legal, and Dos Equis and Corona Beer will automatically come down in price! \ On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote: Let em have Texas back and we'll throw in the fake cowboy Bush TO BOOT. Peace, Doc On Mar 22, 9:41 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you. And I hope America will survive Mexico. Goodnight. On Mar 22, 9:29 pm, Jim Willis conservativespringfi...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Rigsy; Nuff said! On Mar 22, 8:48 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Hamas fired thousands of rockets into Israel. Are you ready to see the same in your country? Sorry- but if the Gazans are voting for Hamas and its blessing by Carter/unsmarted, their death and destruction is their tough luck. On Mar 22, 8:42 pm, RW rogerwbo...@yahoo.com wrote: Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder By Donald Macintyre, The Independent. Posted March 21, 2009. Army veterans reveal how they gunned down innocent Palestinian families and destroyed homes and farms. Israel onfronted a major challenge on Thursday night over the conduct of its 22-day military offensive in Gaza after testimonies by its own soldiers revealed that troops were allowed and, in some cases, even ordered to shoot unarmed Palestinian civilians. The testimonies – the first of their kind to emerge from inside the military – are at marked variance with official claims that the military made strenuous efforts to avoid civilian casualties and tend to corroborate Palestinian accusations that troops used indiscriminate and disproportionate firepower in civilian areas during the operation. In one of the testimonies shedding harsh new light on what the soldiers say were the permissive rules of engagement for Operation Cast Lead, one soldier describes how an officer ordered the shooting of an elderly woman 100 metres from a house commandeered by troops. Another soldier, describing how a mother and her children were shot dead by a sniper after they turned the wrong way out of a house, says the atmosphere among troops was that the lives of Palestinians were very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. A squad leader said: At the beginning the directive was to enter a house with an armoured vehicle, to break the door down, to start shooting inside and – I call it murder – to shoot at everyone we identify. In the beginning I asked myself how could this make sense? Higher-ups said it is permissible because everyone left in the city [Gaza City] is culpable because they didn't run away. The accounts, which also describe apparently indiscriminate destruction of property, were given at a post-operation discussion by graduates of the Yitzhak Rabin pre-military course at the Oranim Academic College in northern Israel. The transcript of the session in front of the head of the course – details from which were published by the newspaper Haaretz – prompted the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) military advocate general Avichai Mendelblit yesterday to announce a military police investigation into the claims. Haaretz said the airing of the dirty secrets would make it more difficult for Israelis to dismiss the claims as Palestinian propaganda. The course principal, Danny
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The Volkwagan and death/slave camps were Hitlers. How did/has that worked out? --- successful? btw - what exactly did Henry Ford say about semites that would cause you to call him an anti-semite? On Mar 23, 3:21 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Henry Ford was anti-Semitic, Doc. Have my mother's book by him buried in a box in the basement and I've never read it. All geniuses have a flaw. Division of labor and the Model-T was Henry's bright idea. The Volkwagan and death/slave camps were Hitlers. How did/has that worked out? What about the Edsel? :-) Or that son of Ford's.// History cannot be redone. There are no leftovers or scrap cloth. On Mar 23, 10:19 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Remember, Ford has already got dibs on it Keith...;-) Ford has a better idea; right? What about we all go back to Africa and dole out the land all over again; you know just start from the beginning. Peace Doc On Mar 23, 9:27 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: You know, I have given this a lot of thought, and I have a better idea. Why don't we continue the whole, Manifest Destiny deal, and just take Mexico? We'll get rid of their corrupt politicians, thereby replacing them with our own corrupt politicians.Eventually, we can divide Mexico up into a couple or three states. They have some really good beaches, and some oil reserves.We'll keep the minimum wage down there at like $2.85 an hour, and gradually bring it up to our own standard; *e.g*.; Keith In Tampa's Ten Year Plan.This would resolve the border issue, and provide some new, really cool domestic vacation spots as well as a cheap labor pool that is legal, and Dos Equis and Corona Beer will automatically come down in price! \ On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote: Let em have Texas back and we'll throw in the fake cowboy Bush TO BOOT. Peace, Doc On Mar 22, 9:41 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you. And I hope America will survive Mexico. Goodnight. On Mar 22, 9:29 pm, Jim Willis conservativespringfi...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Rigsy; Nuff said! On Mar 22, 8:48 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Hamas fired thousands of rockets into Israel. Are you ready to see the same in your country? Sorry- but if the Gazans are voting for Hamas and its blessing by Carter/unsmarted, their death and destruction is their tough luck. On Mar 22, 8:42 pm, RW rogerwbo...@yahoo.com wrote: Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder By Donald Macintyre, The Independent. Posted March 21, 2009. Army veterans reveal how they gunned down innocent Palestinian families and destroyed homes and farms. Israel onfronted a major challenge on Thursday night over the conduct of its 22-day military offensive in Gaza after testimonies by its own soldiers revealed that troops were allowed and, in some cases, even ordered to shoot unarmed Palestinian civilians. The testimonies – the first of their kind to emerge from inside the military – are at marked variance with official claims that the military made strenuous efforts to avoid civilian casualties and tend to corroborate Palestinian accusations that troops used indiscriminate and disproportionate firepower in civilian areas during the operation. In one of the testimonies shedding harsh new light on what the soldiers say were the permissive rules of engagement for Operation Cast Lead, one soldier describes how an officer ordered the shooting of an elderly woman 100 metres from a house commandeered by troops. Another soldier, describing how a mother and her children were shot dead by a sniper after they turned the wrong way out of a house, says the atmosphere among troops was that the lives of Palestinians were very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. A squad leader said: At the beginning the directive was to enter a house with an armoured vehicle, to break the door down, to start shooting inside and – I call it murder – to shoot at everyone we identify. In the beginning I asked myself how could this make sense? Higher-ups said it is permissible because everyone left in the city [Gaza City] is culpable because they didn't run away. The accounts, which also describe apparently indiscriminate destruction of property, were given at a post-operation discussion by graduates of the Yitzhak Rabin pre-military course at the Oranim Academic
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There were a lot of Americans against Jews who suffered- along with the Irish and other waves of immigrants- from housing codes and refusal of service/private clubs back in the day.//I haven't read his book but somehow this thought came from somewhere (!) as most of my thoughts do. On Mar 23, 3:39 pm, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: The Volkwagan and death/slave camps were Hitlers. How did/has that worked out? --- successful? btw - what exactly did Henry Ford say about semites that would cause you to call him an anti-semite? On Mar 23, 3:21 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Henry Ford was anti-Semitic, Doc. Have my mother's book by him buried in a box in the basement and I've never read it. All geniuses have a flaw. Division of labor and the Model-T was Henry's bright idea. The Volkwagan and death/slave camps were Hitlers. How did/has that worked out? What about the Edsel? :-) Or that son of Ford's.// History cannot be redone. There are no leftovers or scrap cloth. On Mar 23, 10:19 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Remember, Ford has already got dibs on it Keith...;-) Ford has a better idea; right? What about we all go back to Africa and dole out the land all over again; you know just start from the beginning. Peace Doc On Mar 23, 9:27 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: You know, I have given this a lot of thought, and I have a better idea. Why don't we continue the whole, Manifest Destiny deal, and just take Mexico? We'll get rid of their corrupt politicians, thereby replacing them with our own corrupt politicians.Eventually, we can divide Mexico up into a couple or three states. They have some really good beaches, and some oil reserves.We'll keep the minimum wage down there at like $2.85 an hour, and gradually bring it up to our own standard; *e.g*.; Keith In Tampa's Ten Year Plan.This would resolve the border issue, and provide some new, really cool domestic vacation spots as well as a cheap labor pool that is legal, and Dos Equis and Corona Beer will automatically come down in price! \ On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote: Let em have Texas back and we'll throw in the fake cowboy Bush TO BOOT. Peace, Doc On Mar 22, 9:41 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you. And I hope America will survive Mexico. Goodnight. On Mar 22, 9:29 pm, Jim Willis conservativespringfi...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Rigsy; Nuff said! On Mar 22, 8:48 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Hamas fired thousands of rockets into Israel. Are you ready to see the same in your country? Sorry- but if the Gazans are voting for Hamas and its blessing by Carter/unsmarted, their death and destruction is their tough luck. On Mar 22, 8:42 pm, RW rogerwbo...@yahoo.com wrote: Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder By Donald Macintyre, The Independent. Posted March 21, 2009. Army veterans reveal how they gunned down innocent Palestinian families and destroyed homes and farms. Israel onfronted a major challenge on Thursday night over the conduct of its 22-day military offensive in Gaza after testimonies by its own soldiers revealed that troops were allowed and, in some cases, even ordered to shoot unarmed Palestinian civilians. The testimonies – the first of their kind to emerge from inside the military – are at marked variance with official claims that the military made strenuous efforts to avoid civilian casualties and tend to corroborate Palestinian accusations that troops used indiscriminate and disproportionate firepower in civilian areas during the operation. In one of the testimonies shedding harsh new light on what the soldiers say were the permissive rules of engagement for Operation Cast Lead, one soldier describes how an officer ordered the shooting of an elderly woman 100 metres from a house commandeered by troops. Another soldier, describing how a mother and her children were shot dead by a sniper after they turned the wrong way out of a house, says the atmosphere among troops was that the lives of Palestinians were very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. A squad leader said: At the beginning the directive was to enter a house with an armoured vehicle, to break the door down, to start shooting
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No one bothered over the slaughter of Armenians (Turkey) or Andersonville (USA Civil War) or British camps during the Boer War, nor trench warfare and poisonous gases in WWI, nor the fire bombing of German cities nor the atomic bombs over Japan nor Agent Orange in Viet Nam. Or the four policemen killed in CA and met with street torments. Just another war. Just another day. Really? On Mar 23, 3:39 pm, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: The Volkwagan and death/slave camps were Hitlers. How did/has that worked out? --- successful? btw - what exactly did Henry Ford say about semites that would cause you to call him an anti-semite? On Mar 23, 3:21 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Henry Ford was anti-Semitic, Doc. Have my mother's book by him buried in a box in the basement and I've never read it. All geniuses have a flaw. Division of labor and the Model-T was Henry's bright idea. The Volkwagan and death/slave camps were Hitlers. How did/has that worked out? What about the Edsel? :-) Or that son of Ford's.// History cannot be redone. There are no leftovers or scrap cloth. On Mar 23, 10:19 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Remember, Ford has already got dibs on it Keith...;-) Ford has a better idea; right? What about we all go back to Africa and dole out the land all over again; you know just start from the beginning. Peace Doc On Mar 23, 9:27 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: You know, I have given this a lot of thought, and I have a better idea. Why don't we continue the whole, Manifest Destiny deal, and just take Mexico? We'll get rid of their corrupt politicians, thereby replacing them with our own corrupt politicians.Eventually, we can divide Mexico up into a couple or three states. They have some really good beaches, and some oil reserves.We'll keep the minimum wage down there at like $2.85 an hour, and gradually bring it up to our own standard; *e.g*.; Keith In Tampa's Ten Year Plan.This would resolve the border issue, and provide some new, really cool domestic vacation spots as well as a cheap labor pool that is legal, and Dos Equis and Corona Beer will automatically come down in price! \ On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote: Let em have Texas back and we'll throw in the fake cowboy Bush TO BOOT. Peace, Doc On Mar 22, 9:41 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you. And I hope America will survive Mexico. Goodnight. On Mar 22, 9:29 pm, Jim Willis conservativespringfi...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Rigsy; Nuff said! On Mar 22, 8:48 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Hamas fired thousands of rockets into Israel. Are you ready to see the same in your country? Sorry- but if the Gazans are voting for Hamas and its blessing by Carter/unsmarted, their death and destruction is their tough luck. On Mar 22, 8:42 pm, RW rogerwbo...@yahoo.com wrote: Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder By Donald Macintyre, The Independent. Posted March 21, 2009. Army veterans reveal how they gunned down innocent Palestinian families and destroyed homes and farms. Israel onfronted a major challenge on Thursday night over the conduct of its 22-day military offensive in Gaza after testimonies by its own soldiers revealed that troops were allowed and, in some cases, even ordered to shoot unarmed Palestinian civilians. The testimonies – the first of their kind to emerge from inside the military – are at marked variance with official claims that the military made strenuous efforts to avoid civilian casualties and tend to corroborate Palestinian accusations that troops used indiscriminate and disproportionate firepower in civilian areas during the operation. In one of the testimonies shedding harsh new light on what the soldiers say were the permissive rules of engagement for Operation Cast Lead, one soldier describes how an officer ordered the shooting of an elderly woman 100 metres from a house commandeered by troops. Another soldier, describing how a mother and her children were shot dead by a sniper after they turned the wrong way out of a house, says the atmosphere among troops was that the lives of Palestinians were very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. A squad leader said: At the beginning the directive was to enter
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Better Cowboy Bush than Bumbler Obama... On Mar 22, 11:45 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Let em have Texas back and we'll throw in the fake cowboy Bush TO BOOT. Peace, Doc On Mar 22, 9:41 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you. And I hope America will survive Mexico. Goodnight. On Mar 22, 9:29 pm, Jim Willis conservativespringfi...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Rigsy; Nuff said! On Mar 22, 8:48 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Hamas fired thousands of rockets into Israel. Are you ready to see the same in your country? Sorry- but if the Gazans are voting for Hamas and its blessing by Carter/unsmarted, their death and destruction is their tough luck. On Mar 22, 8:42 pm, RW rogerwbo...@yahoo.com wrote: Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder By Donald Macintyre, The Independent. Posted March 21, 2009. Army veterans reveal how they gunned down innocent Palestinian families and destroyed homes and farms. Israel onfronted a major challenge on Thursday night over the conduct of its 22-day military offensive in Gaza after testimonies by its own soldiers revealed that troops were allowed and, in some cases, even ordered to shoot unarmed Palestinian civilians. The testimonies – the first of their kind to emerge from inside the military – are at marked variance with official claims that the military made strenuous efforts to avoid civilian casualties and tend to corroborate Palestinian accusations that troops used indiscriminate and disproportionate firepower in civilian areas during the operation. In one of the testimonies shedding harsh new light on what the soldiers say were the permissive rules of engagement for Operation Cast Lead, one soldier describes how an officer ordered the shooting of an elderly woman 100 metres from a house commandeered by troops. Another soldier, describing how a mother and her children were shot dead by a sniper after they turned the wrong way out of a house, says the atmosphere among troops was that the lives of Palestinians were very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. A squad leader said: At the beginning the directive was to enter a house with an armoured vehicle, to break the door down, to start shooting inside and – I call it murder – to shoot at everyone we identify. In the beginning I asked myself how could this make sense? Higher-ups said it is permissible because everyone left in the city [Gaza City] is culpable because they didn't run away. The accounts, which also describe apparently indiscriminate destruction of property, were given at a post-operation discussion by graduates of the Yitzhak Rabin pre-military course at the Oranim Academic College in northern Israel. The transcript of the session in front of the head of the course – details from which were published by the newspaper Haaretz – prompted the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) military advocate general Avichai Mendelblit yesterday to announce a military police investigation into the claims. Haaretz said the airing of the dirty secrets would make it more difficult for Israelis to dismiss the claims as Palestinian propaganda. The course principal, Danny Zamir, told the newspaper that after being shocked by the testimonies on 13 February he told the IDF chief of staff Gabi Ashkenazi he feared a serious moral failure in the IDF. In one account, an infantry squad leader describes how troops released a family who had been held in a room of their house for several days. He said: The platoon commander let the family go and told them to go to the right. One mother and her two children didn't understand and went to the left, but they forgot to tell the sharpshooter on the roof they had let them go and it was okay... The sharpshooter saw a woman and children approaching him. He shot them straight away. I don't think he felt too bad about it, because, as far as he was concerned, he did his job according to the orders he was given. And the atmosphere in general, from what I understood from most of my men who I talked to, the lives of Palestinians, let's say, is something very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. A second squad leader, who described the killing of the elderly woman, says he argued with his commander over loose rules of engagement that allowed the clearing out of houses by shooting without warning residents beforehand. After the orders were changed, soldiers had complained that we should kill everyone there [in the centre of Gaza]. Everyone there is a terrorist. The squad leader said: To write 'death to the Arabs' on walls, to take family pictures and spit on them, just
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Ah yes the Mexican War of 1846. Poor abused Mexicans, they had their Empire taken away from them which they deemed theirs by right of Spanish Conquest... An further it was was theirs for a LENGTH 25 years... Then the North refused to let the South conquer Cuba or Mexico for the privilege of more slave states... On Mar 23, 10:27 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: You know, I have given this a lot of thought, and I have a better idea. Why don't we continue the whole, Manifest Destiny deal, and just take Mexico? We'll get rid of their corrupt politicians, thereby replacing them with our own corrupt politicians.Eventually, we can divide Mexico up into a couple or three states. They have some really good beaches, and some oil reserves.We'll keep the minimum wage down there at like $2.85 an hour, and gradually bring it up to our own standard; *e.g*.; Keith In Tampa's Ten Year Plan.This would resolve the border issue, and provide some new, really cool domestic vacation spots as well as a cheap labor pool that is legal, and Dos Equis and Corona Beer will automatically come down in price! \ On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote: Let em have Texas back and we'll throw in the fake cowboy Bush TO BOOT. Peace, Doc On Mar 22, 9:41 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you. And I hope America will survive Mexico. Goodnight. On Mar 22, 9:29 pm, Jim Willis conservativespringfi...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Rigsy; Nuff said! On Mar 22, 8:48 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Hamas fired thousands of rockets into Israel. Are you ready to see the same in your country? Sorry- but if the Gazans are voting for Hamas and its blessing by Carter/unsmarted, their death and destruction is their tough luck. On Mar 22, 8:42 pm, RW rogerwbo...@yahoo.com wrote: Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder By Donald Macintyre, The Independent. Posted March 21, 2009. Army veterans reveal how they gunned down innocent Palestinian families and destroyed homes and farms. Israel onfronted a major challenge on Thursday night over the conduct of its 22-day military offensive in Gaza after testimonies by its own soldiers revealed that troops were allowed and, in some cases, even ordered to shoot unarmed Palestinian civilians. The testimonies – the first of their kind to emerge from inside the military – are at marked variance with official claims that the military made strenuous efforts to avoid civilian casualties and tend to corroborate Palestinian accusations that troops used indiscriminate and disproportionate firepower in civilian areas during the operation. In one of the testimonies shedding harsh new light on what the soldiers say were the permissive rules of engagement for Operation Cast Lead, one soldier describes how an officer ordered the shooting of an elderly woman 100 metres from a house commandeered by troops. Another soldier, describing how a mother and her children were shot dead by a sniper after they turned the wrong way out of a house, says the atmosphere among troops was that the lives of Palestinians were very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. A squad leader said: At the beginning the directive was to enter a house with an armoured vehicle, to break the door down, to start shooting inside and – I call it murder – to shoot at everyone we identify. In the beginning I asked myself how could this make sense? Higher-ups said it is permissible because everyone left in the city [Gaza City] is culpable because they didn't run away. The accounts, which also describe apparently indiscriminate destruction of property, were given at a post-operation discussion by graduates of the Yitzhak Rabin pre-military course at the Oranim Academic College in northern Israel. The transcript of the session in front of the head of the course – details from which were published by the newspaper Haaretz – prompted the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) military advocate general Avichai Mendelblit yesterday to announce a military police investigation into the claims. Haaretz said the airing of the dirty secrets would make it more difficult for Israelis to dismiss the claims as Palestinian propaganda. The course principal, Danny Zamir, told the newspaper that after being shocked by the testimonies on 13 February he told the IDF chief of staff Gabi Ashkenazi he feared a serious moral failure in the IDF. In one account, an infantry squad leader describes how troops released a family who had been held in a room of their house for several days. He said: The platoon
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Northern Africa is dominated by Arabs, who continue to this day the slave trade of Christian BLACK Africans... Pesky details... On Mar 23, 3:49 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Far too many Negroes there. On Mar 23, 9:19 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Remember, Ford has already got dibs on it Keith...;-) Ford has a better idea; right? What about we all go back to Africa and dole out the land all over again; you know just start from the beginning. Peace Doc On Mar 23, 9:27 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: You know, I have given this a lot of thought, and I have a better idea. Why don't we continue the whole, Manifest Destiny deal, and just take Mexico? We'll get rid of their corrupt politicians, thereby replacing them with our own corrupt politicians.Eventually, we can divide Mexico up into a couple or three states. They have some really good beaches, and some oil reserves.We'll keep the minimum wage down there at like $2.85 an hour, and gradually bring it up to our own standard; *e.g*.; Keith In Tampa's Ten Year Plan.This would resolve the border issue, and provide some new, really cool domestic vacation spots as well as a cheap labor pool that is legal, and Dos Equis and Corona Beer will automatically come down in price! \ On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote: Let em have Texas back and we'll throw in the fake cowboy Bush TO BOOT. Peace, Doc On Mar 22, 9:41 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you. And I hope America will survive Mexico. Goodnight. On Mar 22, 9:29 pm, Jim Willis conservativespringfi...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Rigsy; Nuff said! On Mar 22, 8:48 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Hamas fired thousands of rockets into Israel. Are you ready to see the same in your country? Sorry- but if the Gazans are voting for Hamas and its blessing by Carter/unsmarted, their death and destruction is their tough luck. On Mar 22, 8:42 pm, RW rogerwbo...@yahoo.com wrote: Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder By Donald Macintyre, The Independent. Posted March 21, 2009. Army veterans reveal how they gunned down innocent Palestinian families and destroyed homes and farms. Israel onfronted a major challenge on Thursday night over the conduct of its 22-day military offensive in Gaza after testimonies by its own soldiers revealed that troops were allowed and, in some cases, even ordered to shoot unarmed Palestinian civilians. The testimonies – the first of their kind to emerge from inside the military – are at marked variance with official claims that the military made strenuous efforts to avoid civilian casualties and tend to corroborate Palestinian accusations that troops used indiscriminate and disproportionate firepower in civilian areas during the operation. In one of the testimonies shedding harsh new light on what the soldiers say were the permissive rules of engagement for Operation Cast Lead, one soldier describes how an officer ordered the shooting of an elderly woman 100 metres from a house commandeered by troops. Another soldier, describing how a mother and her children were shot dead by a sniper after they turned the wrong way out of a house, says the atmosphere among troops was that the lives of Palestinians were very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. A squad leader said: At the beginning the directive was to enter a house with an armoured vehicle, to break the door down, to start shooting inside and – I call it murder – to shoot at everyone we identify. In the beginning I asked myself how could this make sense? Higher-ups said it is permissible because everyone left in the city [Gaza City] is culpable because they didn't run away. The accounts, which also describe apparently indiscriminate destruction of property, were given at a post-operation discussion by graduates of the Yitzhak Rabin pre-military course at the Oranim Academic College in northern Israel. The transcript of the session in front of the head of the course – details from which were published by the newspaper Haaretz – prompted the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) military advocate general Avichai Mendelblit yesterday to announce a military police investigation into the claims. Haaretz said the airing
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The history of Haiti is also non-inspiring. On Mar 23, 4:18 pm, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: Ah yes the Mexican War of 1846. Poor abused Mexicans, they had their Empire taken away from them which they deemed theirs by right of Spanish Conquest... An further it was was theirs for a LENGTH 25 years... Then the North refused to let the South conquer Cuba or Mexico for the privilege of more slave states... On Mar 23, 10:27 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: You know, I have given this a lot of thought, and I have a better idea. Why don't we continue the whole, Manifest Destiny deal, and just take Mexico? We'll get rid of their corrupt politicians, thereby replacing them with our own corrupt politicians.Eventually, we can divide Mexico up into a couple or three states. They have some really good beaches, and some oil reserves.We'll keep the minimum wage down there at like $2.85 an hour, and gradually bring it up to our own standard; *e.g*.; Keith In Tampa's Ten Year Plan.This would resolve the border issue, and provide some new, really cool domestic vacation spots as well as a cheap labor pool that is legal, and Dos Equis and Corona Beer will automatically come down in price! \ On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote: Let em have Texas back and we'll throw in the fake cowboy Bush TO BOOT. Peace, Doc On Mar 22, 9:41 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you. And I hope America will survive Mexico. Goodnight. On Mar 22, 9:29 pm, Jim Willis conservativespringfi...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Rigsy; Nuff said! On Mar 22, 8:48 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Hamas fired thousands of rockets into Israel. Are you ready to see the same in your country? Sorry- but if the Gazans are voting for Hamas and its blessing by Carter/unsmarted, their death and destruction is their tough luck. On Mar 22, 8:42 pm, RW rogerwbo...@yahoo.com wrote: Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder By Donald Macintyre, The Independent. Posted March 21, 2009. Army veterans reveal how they gunned down innocent Palestinian families and destroyed homes and farms. Israel onfronted a major challenge on Thursday night over the conduct of its 22-day military offensive in Gaza after testimonies by its own soldiers revealed that troops were allowed and, in some cases, even ordered to shoot unarmed Palestinian civilians. The testimonies – the first of their kind to emerge from inside the military – are at marked variance with official claims that the military made strenuous efforts to avoid civilian casualties and tend to corroborate Palestinian accusations that troops used indiscriminate and disproportionate firepower in civilian areas during the operation. In one of the testimonies shedding harsh new light on what the soldiers say were the permissive rules of engagement for Operation Cast Lead, one soldier describes how an officer ordered the shooting of an elderly woman 100 metres from a house commandeered by troops. Another soldier, describing how a mother and her children were shot dead by a sniper after they turned the wrong way out of a house, says the atmosphere among troops was that the lives of Palestinians were very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. A squad leader said: At the beginning the directive was to enter a house with an armoured vehicle, to break the door down, to start shooting inside and – I call it murder – to shoot at everyone we identify. In the beginning I asked myself how could this make sense? Higher-ups said it is permissible because everyone left in the city [Gaza City] is culpable because they didn't run away. The accounts, which also describe apparently indiscriminate destruction of property, were given at a post-operation discussion by graduates of the Yitzhak Rabin pre-military course at the Oranim Academic College in northern Israel. The transcript of the session in front of the head of the course – details from which were published by the newspaper Haaretz – prompted the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) military advocate general Avichai Mendelblit yesterday to announce a military police investigation into the claims. Haaretz said the airing of the dirty secrets would make it more difficult for Israelis to dismiss the claims as Palestinian propaganda. The course principal, Danny Zamir, told the newspaper that after being shocked by the testimonies on 13 February he told the IDF
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Blacks sell/ruin their own or the slave trade wouldn't exist. On Mar 23, 4:21 pm, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: Northern Africa is dominated by Arabs, who continue to this day the slave trade of Christian BLACK Africans... Pesky details... On Mar 23, 3:49 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Far too many Negroes there. On Mar 23, 9:19 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Remember, Ford has already got dibs on it Keith...;-) Ford has a better idea; right? What about we all go back to Africa and dole out the land all over again; you know just start from the beginning. Peace Doc On Mar 23, 9:27 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: You know, I have given this a lot of thought, and I have a better idea. Why don't we continue the whole, Manifest Destiny deal, and just take Mexico? We'll get rid of their corrupt politicians, thereby replacing them with our own corrupt politicians.Eventually, we can divide Mexico up into a couple or three states. They have some really good beaches, and some oil reserves.We'll keep the minimum wage down there at like $2.85 an hour, and gradually bring it up to our own standard; *e.g*.; Keith In Tampa's Ten Year Plan.This would resolve the border issue, and provide some new, really cool domestic vacation spots as well as a cheap labor pool that is legal, and Dos Equis and Corona Beer will automatically come down in price! \ On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote: Let em have Texas back and we'll throw in the fake cowboy Bush TO BOOT. Peace, Doc On Mar 22, 9:41 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you. And I hope America will survive Mexico. Goodnight. On Mar 22, 9:29 pm, Jim Willis conservativespringfi...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Rigsy; Nuff said! On Mar 22, 8:48 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Hamas fired thousands of rockets into Israel. Are you ready to see the same in your country? Sorry- but if the Gazans are voting for Hamas and its blessing by Carter/unsmarted, their death and destruction is their tough luck. On Mar 22, 8:42 pm, RW rogerwbo...@yahoo.com wrote: Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder By Donald Macintyre, The Independent. Posted March 21, 2009. Army veterans reveal how they gunned down innocent Palestinian families and destroyed homes and farms. Israel onfronted a major challenge on Thursday night over the conduct of its 22-day military offensive in Gaza after testimonies by its own soldiers revealed that troops were allowed and, in some cases, even ordered to shoot unarmed Palestinian civilians. The testimonies – the first of their kind to emerge from inside the military – are at marked variance with official claims that the military made strenuous efforts to avoid civilian casualties and tend to corroborate Palestinian accusations that troops used indiscriminate and disproportionate firepower in civilian areas during the operation. In one of the testimonies shedding harsh new light on what the soldiers say were the permissive rules of engagement for Operation Cast Lead, one soldier describes how an officer ordered the shooting of an elderly woman 100 metres from a house commandeered by troops. Another soldier, describing how a mother and her children were shot dead by a sniper after they turned the wrong way out of a house, says the atmosphere among troops was that the lives of Palestinians were very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. A squad leader said: At the beginning the directive was to enter a house with an armoured vehicle, to break the door down, to start shooting inside and – I call it murder – to shoot at everyone we identify. In the beginning I asked myself how could this make sense? Higher-ups said it is permissible because everyone left in the city [Gaza City] is culpable because they didn't run away. The accounts, which also describe apparently indiscriminate destruction of property, were given at a post-operation discussion by graduates of the Yitzhak Rabin pre-military course at the Oranim Academic College in northern Israel. The transcript of the session in front of the head
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hell after nobama and his fools in congress are done, most all of mexico will be in this country. why not let the dems have their way, and we reuplicans can move to mexico, and have the country all to ourselves. we can build a new America, and let the dems and their mexes turn this country into amerika. we can watch them self destruct while we flourish. On Mar 23, 5:32 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Blacks sell/ruin their own or the slave trade wouldn't exist. On Mar 23, 4:21 pm, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: Northern Africa is dominated by Arabs, who continue to this day the slave trade of Christian BLACK Africans... Pesky details... On Mar 23, 3:49 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Far too many Negroes there. On Mar 23, 9:19 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Remember, Ford has already got dibs on it Keith...;-) Ford has a better idea; right? What about we all go back to Africa and dole out the land all over again; you know just start from the beginning. Peace Doc On Mar 23, 9:27 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: You know, I have given this a lot of thought, and I have a better idea. Why don't we continue the whole, Manifest Destiny deal, and just take Mexico? We'll get rid of their corrupt politicians, thereby replacing them with our own corrupt politicians.Eventually, we can divide Mexico up into a couple or three states. They have some really good beaches, and some oil reserves.We'll keep the minimum wage down there at like $2.85 an hour, and gradually bring it up to our own standard; *e.g*.; Keith In Tampa's Ten Year Plan.This would resolve the border issue, and provide some new, really cool domestic vacation spots as well as a cheap labor pool that is legal, and Dos Equis and Corona Beer will automatically come down in price! \ On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote: Let em have Texas back and we'll throw in the fake cowboy Bush TO BOOT. Peace, Doc On Mar 22, 9:41 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you. And I hope America will survive Mexico. Goodnight. On Mar 22, 9:29 pm, Jim Willis conservativespringfi...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Rigsy; Nuff said! On Mar 22, 8:48 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Hamas fired thousands of rockets into Israel. Are you ready to see the same in your country? Sorry- but if the Gazans are voting for Hamas and its blessing by Carter/unsmarted, their death and destruction is their tough luck. On Mar 22, 8:42 pm, RW rogerwbo...@yahoo.com wrote: Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder By Donald Macintyre, The Independent. Posted March 21, 2009. Army veterans reveal how they gunned down innocent Palestinian families and destroyed homes and farms. Israel onfronted a major challenge on Thursday night over the conduct of its 22-day military offensive in Gaza after testimonies by its own soldiers revealed that troops were allowed and, in some cases, even ordered to shoot unarmed Palestinian civilians. The testimonies – the first of their kind to emerge from inside the military – are at marked variance with official claims that the military made strenuous efforts to avoid civilian casualties and tend to corroborate Palestinian accusations that troops used indiscriminate and disproportionate firepower in civilian areas during the operation. In one of the testimonies shedding harsh new light on what the soldiers say were the permissive rules of engagement for Operation Cast Lead, one soldier describes how an officer ordered the shooting of an elderly woman 100 metres from a house commandeered by troops. Another soldier, describing how a mother and her children were shot dead by a sniper after they turned the wrong way out of a house, says the atmosphere among troops was that the lives of Palestinians were very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. A squad leader said: At the beginning the directive was to enter a house with an armoured vehicle, to break the door down, to start shooting inside and – I call it murder – to shoot at everyone we identify. In the beginning I asked myself how could
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Ohh if only we never had to grow up...that damned apple! Peace, Doc On Mar 23, 3:27 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: I want the Garden of Eden and will refuse Satan's apple from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil- some think it located in what is now modern Iraq- ironic. And I won't coax an Adam to take a bite. Some women know men are terrible liars. :-) On Mar 23, 10:19 am,DocHolliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Remember, Ford has already got dibs on it Keith...;-) Ford has a better idea; right? What about we all go back to Africa and dole out the land all over again; you know just start from the beginning. Peace Doc On Mar 23, 9:27 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: You know, I have given this a lot of thought, and I have a better idea. Why don't we continue the whole, Manifest Destiny deal, and just take Mexico? We'll get rid of their corrupt politicians, thereby replacing them with our own corrupt politicians.Eventually, we can divide Mexico up into a couple or three states. They have some really good beaches, and some oil reserves.We'll keep the minimum wage down there at like $2.85 an hour, and gradually bring it up to our own standard; *e.g*.; Keith In Tampa's Ten Year Plan.This would resolve the border issue, and provide some new, really cool domestic vacation spots as well as a cheap labor pool that is legal, and Dos Equis and Corona Beer will automatically come down in price! \ On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:45 PM,DocHolliday dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote: Let em have Texas back and we'll throw in the fake cowboy Bush TO BOOT. Peace, Doc On Mar 22, 9:41 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you. And I hope America will survive Mexico. Goodnight. On Mar 22, 9:29 pm, Jim Willis conservativespringfi...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Rigsy; Nuff said! On Mar 22, 8:48 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Hamas fired thousands of rockets into Israel. Are you ready to see the same in your country? Sorry- but if the Gazans are voting for Hamas and its blessing by Carter/unsmarted, their death and destruction is their tough luck. On Mar 22, 8:42 pm, RW rogerwbo...@yahoo.com wrote: Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder By Donald Macintyre, The Independent. Posted March 21, 2009. Army veterans reveal how they gunned down innocent Palestinian families and destroyed homes and farms. Israel onfronted a major challenge on Thursday night over the conduct of its 22-day military offensive in Gaza after testimonies by its own soldiers revealed that troops were allowed and, in some cases, even ordered to shoot unarmed Palestinian civilians. The testimonies – the first of their kind to emerge from inside the military – are at marked variance with official claims that the military made strenuous efforts to avoid civilian casualties and tend to corroborate Palestinian accusations that troops used indiscriminate and disproportionate firepower in civilian areas during the operation. In one of the testimonies shedding harsh new light on what the soldiers say were the permissive rules of engagement for Operation Cast Lead, one soldier describes how an officer ordered the shooting of an elderly woman 100 metres from a house commandeered by troops. Another soldier, describing how a mother and her children were shot dead by a sniper after they turned the wrong way out of a house, says the atmosphere among troops was that the lives of Palestinians were very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. A squad leader said: At the beginning the directive was to enter a house with an armoured vehicle, to break the door down, to start shooting inside and – I call it murder – to shoot at everyone we identify. In the beginning I asked myself how could this make sense? Higher-ups said it is permissible because everyone left in the city [Gaza City] is culpable because they didn't run away. The accounts, which also describe apparently indiscriminate destruction of property, were given at a post-operation discussion by graduates of the Yitzhak Rabin pre-military course at the Oranim Academic College in northern Israel. The transcript of the session in front of the head of the course – details from which were published by the newspaper Haaretz – prompted the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) military advocate general
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Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder By Donald Macintyre, The Independent. Posted March 21, 2009. Army veterans reveal how they gunned down innocent Palestinian families and destroyed homes and farms. Israel onfronted a major challenge on Thursday night over the conduct of its 22-day military offensive in Gaza after testimonies by its own soldiers revealed that troops were allowed and, in some cases, even ordered to shoot unarmed Palestinian civilians. The testimonies – the first of their kind to emerge from inside the military – are at marked variance with official claims that the military made strenuous efforts to avoid civilian casualties and tend to corroborate Palestinian accusations that troops used indiscriminate and disproportionate firepower in civilian areas during the operation. In one of the testimonies shedding harsh new light on what the soldiers say were the permissive rules of engagement for Operation Cast Lead, one soldier describes how an officer ordered the shooting of an elderly woman 100 metres from a house commandeered by troops. Another soldier, describing how a mother and her children were shot dead by a sniper after they turned the wrong way out of a house, says the atmosphere among troops was that the lives of Palestinians were very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. A squad leader said: At the beginning the directive was to enter a house with an armoured vehicle, to break the door down, to start shooting inside and – I call it murder – to shoot at everyone we identify. In the beginning I asked myself how could this make sense? Higher-ups said it is permissible because everyone left in the city [Gaza City] is culpable because they didn't run away. The accounts, which also describe apparently indiscriminate destruction of property, were given at a post-operation discussion by graduates of the Yitzhak Rabin pre-military course at the Oranim Academic College in northern Israel. The transcript of the session in front of the head of the course – details from which were published by the newspaper Haaretz – prompted the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) military advocate general Avichai Mendelblit yesterday to announce a military police investigation into the claims. Haaretz said the airing of the dirty secrets would make it more difficult for Israelis to dismiss the claims as Palestinian propaganda. The course principal, Danny Zamir, told the newspaper that after being shocked by the testimonies on 13 February he told the IDF chief of staff Gabi Ashkenazi he feared a serious moral failure in the IDF. In one account, an infantry squad leader describes how troops released a family who had been held in a room of their house for several days. He said: The platoon commander let the family go and told them to go to the right. One mother and her two children didn't understand and went to the left, but they forgot to tell the sharpshooter on the roof they had let them go and it was okay... The sharpshooter saw a woman and children approaching him. He shot them straight away. I don't think he felt too bad about it, because, as far as he was concerned, he did his job according to the orders he was given. And the atmosphere in general, from what I understood from most of my men who I talked to, the lives of Palestinians, let's say, is something very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. A second squad leader, who described the killing of the elderly woman, says he argued with his commander over loose rules of engagement that allowed the clearing out of houses by shooting without warning residents beforehand. After the orders were changed, soldiers had complained that we should kill everyone there [in the centre of Gaza]. Everyone there is a terrorist. The squad leader said: To write 'death to the Arabs' on walls, to take family pictures and spit on them, just because you can. I think this is the main thing: To understand how much the IDF has fallen in the realm of ethics. Ehud Barak, Israel's Defence Minister, said: I say to you that from the chief of staff down to the last soldier, the most moral army in the world stands ready to take orders from the government of Israel. I have no doubt that every incident will be individually examined. But Israeli human rights organisations, including B'Tselem and the Association for Civil Rights in Israel, called for an independent investigation and complained that the military police inquiry had only been announced after Haaretz published the story, three weeks after the relevant materials reached the Chief of the General Staff. This tardiness follows a pattern of failures to investigate suspicions of serious crimes. Amos Harel, the paper's respected military correspondent who broke the story, wrote that Mr Zamir was sentenced in 1990 for refusing to guard a settlers' ceremony at Joseph's tomb in the West Bank. But he added that a reading of the transcript shows that Mr Zamir acts out of a deep concern
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Hamas fired thousands of rockets into Israel. Are you ready to see the same in your country? Sorry- but if the Gazans are voting for Hamas and its blessing by Carter/unsmarted, their death and destruction is their tough luck. On Mar 22, 8:42 pm, RW rogerwbo...@yahoo.com wrote: Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder By Donald Macintyre, The Independent. Posted March 21, 2009. Army veterans reveal how they gunned down innocent Palestinian families and destroyed homes and farms. Israel onfronted a major challenge on Thursday night over the conduct of its 22-day military offensive in Gaza after testimonies by its own soldiers revealed that troops were allowed and, in some cases, even ordered to shoot unarmed Palestinian civilians. The testimonies – the first of their kind to emerge from inside the military – are at marked variance with official claims that the military made strenuous efforts to avoid civilian casualties and tend to corroborate Palestinian accusations that troops used indiscriminate and disproportionate firepower in civilian areas during the operation. In one of the testimonies shedding harsh new light on what the soldiers say were the permissive rules of engagement for Operation Cast Lead, one soldier describes how an officer ordered the shooting of an elderly woman 100 metres from a house commandeered by troops. Another soldier, describing how a mother and her children were shot dead by a sniper after they turned the wrong way out of a house, says the atmosphere among troops was that the lives of Palestinians were very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. A squad leader said: At the beginning the directive was to enter a house with an armoured vehicle, to break the door down, to start shooting inside and – I call it murder – to shoot at everyone we identify. In the beginning I asked myself how could this make sense? Higher-ups said it is permissible because everyone left in the city [Gaza City] is culpable because they didn't run away. The accounts, which also describe apparently indiscriminate destruction of property, were given at a post-operation discussion by graduates of the Yitzhak Rabin pre-military course at the Oranim Academic College in northern Israel. The transcript of the session in front of the head of the course – details from which were published by the newspaper Haaretz – prompted the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) military advocate general Avichai Mendelblit yesterday to announce a military police investigation into the claims. Haaretz said the airing of the dirty secrets would make it more difficult for Israelis to dismiss the claims as Palestinian propaganda. The course principal, Danny Zamir, told the newspaper that after being shocked by the testimonies on 13 February he told the IDF chief of staff Gabi Ashkenazi he feared a serious moral failure in the IDF. In one account, an infantry squad leader describes how troops released a family who had been held in a room of their house for several days. He said: The platoon commander let the family go and told them to go to the right. One mother and her two children didn't understand and went to the left, but they forgot to tell the sharpshooter on the roof they had let them go and it was okay... The sharpshooter saw a woman and children approaching him. He shot them straight away. I don't think he felt too bad about it, because, as far as he was concerned, he did his job according to the orders he was given. And the atmosphere in general, from what I understood from most of my men who I talked to, the lives of Palestinians, let's say, is something very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. A second squad leader, who described the killing of the elderly woman, says he argued with his commander over loose rules of engagement that allowed the clearing out of houses by shooting without warning residents beforehand. After the orders were changed, soldiers had complained that we should kill everyone there [in the centre of Gaza]. Everyone there is a terrorist. The squad leader said: To write 'death to the Arabs' on walls, to take family pictures and spit on them, just because you can. I think this is the main thing: To understand how much the IDF has fallen in the realm of ethics. Ehud Barak, Israel's Defence Minister, said: I say to you that from the chief of staff down to the last soldier, the most moral army in the world stands ready to take orders from the government of Israel. I have no doubt that every incident will be individually examined. But Israeli human rights organisations, including B'Tselem and the Association for Civil Rights in Israel, called for an independent investigation and complained that the military police inquiry had only been announced after Haaretz published the story, three weeks after the relevant materials reached the Chief of the General Staff. This tardiness follows a pattern
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I agree with Rigsy; Nuff said! On Mar 22, 8:48 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Hamas fired thousands of rockets into Israel. Are you ready to see the same in your country? Sorry- but if the Gazans are voting for Hamas and its blessing by Carter/unsmarted, their death and destruction is their tough luck. On Mar 22, 8:42 pm, RW rogerwbo...@yahoo.com wrote: Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder By Donald Macintyre, The Independent. Posted March 21, 2009. Army veterans reveal how they gunned down innocent Palestinian families and destroyed homes and farms. Israel onfronted a major challenge on Thursday night over the conduct of its 22-day military offensive in Gaza after testimonies by its own soldiers revealed that troops were allowed and, in some cases, even ordered to shoot unarmed Palestinian civilians. The testimonies – the first of their kind to emerge from inside the military – are at marked variance with official claims that the military made strenuous efforts to avoid civilian casualties and tend to corroborate Palestinian accusations that troops used indiscriminate and disproportionate firepower in civilian areas during the operation. In one of the testimonies shedding harsh new light on what the soldiers say were the permissive rules of engagement for Operation Cast Lead, one soldier describes how an officer ordered the shooting of an elderly woman 100 metres from a house commandeered by troops. Another soldier, describing how a mother and her children were shot dead by a sniper after they turned the wrong way out of a house, says the atmosphere among troops was that the lives of Palestinians were very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. A squad leader said: At the beginning the directive was to enter a house with an armoured vehicle, to break the door down, to start shooting inside and – I call it murder – to shoot at everyone we identify. In the beginning I asked myself how could this make sense? Higher-ups said it is permissible because everyone left in the city [Gaza City] is culpable because they didn't run away. The accounts, which also describe apparently indiscriminate destruction of property, were given at a post-operation discussion by graduates of the Yitzhak Rabin pre-military course at the Oranim Academic College in northern Israel. The transcript of the session in front of the head of the course – details from which were published by the newspaper Haaretz – prompted the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) military advocate general Avichai Mendelblit yesterday to announce a military police investigation into the claims. Haaretz said the airing of the dirty secrets would make it more difficult for Israelis to dismiss the claims as Palestinian propaganda. The course principal, Danny Zamir, told the newspaper that after being shocked by the testimonies on 13 February he told the IDF chief of staff Gabi Ashkenazi he feared a serious moral failure in the IDF. In one account, an infantry squad leader describes how troops released a family who had been held in a room of their house for several days. He said: The platoon commander let the family go and told them to go to the right. One mother and her two children didn't understand and went to the left, but they forgot to tell the sharpshooter on the roof they had let them go and it was okay... The sharpshooter saw a woman and children approaching him. He shot them straight away. I don't think he felt too bad about it, because, as far as he was concerned, he did his job according to the orders he was given. And the atmosphere in general, from what I understood from most of my men who I talked to, the lives of Palestinians, let's say, is something very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. A second squad leader, who described the killing of the elderly woman, says he argued with his commander over loose rules of engagement that allowed the clearing out of houses by shooting without warning residents beforehand. After the orders were changed, soldiers had complained that we should kill everyone there [in the centre of Gaza]. Everyone there is a terrorist. The squad leader said: To write 'death to the Arabs' on walls, to take family pictures and spit on them, just because you can. I think this is the main thing: To understand how much the IDF has fallen in the realm of ethics. Ehud Barak, Israel's Defence Minister, said: I say to you that from the chief of staff down to the last soldier, the most moral army in the world stands ready to take orders from the government of Israel. I have no doubt that every incident will be individually examined. But Israeli human rights organisations, including B'Tselem and the Association for Civil Rights in Israel, called for an independent investigation and complained that the military police inquiry had only been
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Thank you. And I hope America will survive Mexico. Goodnight. On Mar 22, 9:29 pm, Jim Willis conservativespringfi...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Rigsy; Nuff said! On Mar 22, 8:48 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Hamas fired thousands of rockets into Israel. Are you ready to see the same in your country? Sorry- but if the Gazans are voting for Hamas and its blessing by Carter/unsmarted, their death and destruction is their tough luck. On Mar 22, 8:42 pm, RW rogerwbo...@yahoo.com wrote: Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder By Donald Macintyre, The Independent. Posted March 21, 2009. Army veterans reveal how they gunned down innocent Palestinian families and destroyed homes and farms. Israel onfronted a major challenge on Thursday night over the conduct of its 22-day military offensive in Gaza after testimonies by its own soldiers revealed that troops were allowed and, in some cases, even ordered to shoot unarmed Palestinian civilians. The testimonies – the first of their kind to emerge from inside the military – are at marked variance with official claims that the military made strenuous efforts to avoid civilian casualties and tend to corroborate Palestinian accusations that troops used indiscriminate and disproportionate firepower in civilian areas during the operation. In one of the testimonies shedding harsh new light on what the soldiers say were the permissive rules of engagement for Operation Cast Lead, one soldier describes how an officer ordered the shooting of an elderly woman 100 metres from a house commandeered by troops. Another soldier, describing how a mother and her children were shot dead by a sniper after they turned the wrong way out of a house, says the atmosphere among troops was that the lives of Palestinians were very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. A squad leader said: At the beginning the directive was to enter a house with an armoured vehicle, to break the door down, to start shooting inside and – I call it murder – to shoot at everyone we identify. In the beginning I asked myself how could this make sense? Higher-ups said it is permissible because everyone left in the city [Gaza City] is culpable because they didn't run away. The accounts, which also describe apparently indiscriminate destruction of property, were given at a post-operation discussion by graduates of the Yitzhak Rabin pre-military course at the Oranim Academic College in northern Israel. The transcript of the session in front of the head of the course – details from which were published by the newspaper Haaretz – prompted the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) military advocate general Avichai Mendelblit yesterday to announce a military police investigation into the claims. Haaretz said the airing of the dirty secrets would make it more difficult for Israelis to dismiss the claims as Palestinian propaganda. The course principal, Danny Zamir, told the newspaper that after being shocked by the testimonies on 13 February he told the IDF chief of staff Gabi Ashkenazi he feared a serious moral failure in the IDF. In one account, an infantry squad leader describes how troops released a family who had been held in a room of their house for several days. He said: The platoon commander let the family go and told them to go to the right. One mother and her two children didn't understand and went to the left, but they forgot to tell the sharpshooter on the roof they had let them go and it was okay... The sharpshooter saw a woman and children approaching him. He shot them straight away. I don't think he felt too bad about it, because, as far as he was concerned, he did his job according to the orders he was given. And the atmosphere in general, from what I understood from most of my men who I talked to, the lives of Palestinians, let's say, is something very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. A second squad leader, who described the killing of the elderly woman, says he argued with his commander over loose rules of engagement that allowed the clearing out of houses by shooting without warning residents beforehand. After the orders were changed, soldiers had complained that we should kill everyone there [in the centre of Gaza]. Everyone there is a terrorist. The squad leader said: To write 'death to the Arabs' on walls, to take family pictures and spit on them, just because you can. I think this is the main thing: To understand how much the IDF has fallen in the realm of ethics. Ehud Barak, Israel's Defence Minister, said: I say to you that from the chief of staff down to the last soldier, the most moral army in the world stands ready to take orders from the government of Israel. I have no doubt that every incident will be individually examined
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Let em have Texas back and we'll throw in the fake cowboy Bush TO BOOT. Peace, Doc On Mar 22, 9:41 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you. And I hope America will survive Mexico. Goodnight. On Mar 22, 9:29 pm, Jim Willis conservativespringfi...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Rigsy; Nuff said! On Mar 22, 8:48 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Hamas fired thousands of rockets into Israel. Are you ready to see the same in your country? Sorry- but if the Gazans are voting for Hamas and its blessing by Carter/unsmarted, their death and destruction is their tough luck. On Mar 22, 8:42 pm, RW rogerwbo...@yahoo.com wrote: Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder By Donald Macintyre, The Independent. Posted March 21, 2009. Army veterans reveal how they gunned down innocent Palestinian families and destroyed homes and farms. Israel onfronted a major challenge on Thursday night over the conduct of its 22-day military offensive in Gaza after testimonies by its own soldiers revealed that troops were allowed and, in some cases, even ordered to shoot unarmed Palestinian civilians. The testimonies – the first of their kind to emerge from inside the military – are at marked variance with official claims that the military made strenuous efforts to avoid civilian casualties and tend to corroborate Palestinian accusations that troops used indiscriminate and disproportionate firepower in civilian areas during the operation. In one of the testimonies shedding harsh new light on what the soldiers say were the permissive rules of engagement for Operation Cast Lead, one soldier describes how an officer ordered the shooting of an elderly woman 100 metres from a house commandeered by troops. Another soldier, describing how a mother and her children were shot dead by a sniper after they turned the wrong way out of a house, says the atmosphere among troops was that the lives of Palestinians were very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. A squad leader said: At the beginning the directive was to enter a house with an armoured vehicle, to break the door down, to start shooting inside and – I call it murder – to shoot at everyone we identify. In the beginning I asked myself how could this make sense? Higher-ups said it is permissible because everyone left in the city [Gaza City] is culpable because they didn't run away. The accounts, which also describe apparently indiscriminate destruction of property, were given at a post-operation discussion by graduates of the Yitzhak Rabin pre-military course at the Oranim Academic College in northern Israel. The transcript of the session in front of the head of the course – details from which were published by the newspaper Haaretz – prompted the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) military advocate general Avichai Mendelblit yesterday to announce a military police investigation into the claims. Haaretz said the airing of the dirty secrets would make it more difficult for Israelis to dismiss the claims as Palestinian propaganda. The course principal, Danny Zamir, told the newspaper that after being shocked by the testimonies on 13 February he told the IDF chief of staff Gabi Ashkenazi he feared a serious moral failure in the IDF. In one account, an infantry squad leader describes how troops released a family who had been held in a room of their house for several days. He said: The platoon commander let the family go and told them to go to the right. One mother and her two children didn't understand and went to the left, but they forgot to tell the sharpshooter on the roof they had let them go and it was okay... The sharpshooter saw a woman and children approaching him. He shot them straight away. I don't think he felt too bad about it, because, as far as he was concerned, he did his job according to the orders he was given. And the atmosphere in general, from what I understood from most of my men who I talked to, the lives of Palestinians, let's say, is something very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. A second squad leader, who described the killing of the elderly woman, says he argued with his commander over loose rules of engagement that allowed the clearing out of houses by shooting without warning residents beforehand. After the orders were changed, soldiers had complained that we should kill everyone there [in the centre of Gaza]. Everyone there is a terrorist. The squad leader said: To write 'death to the Arabs' on walls, to take family pictures and spit on them, just because you can. I think this is the main thing: To understand how much the IDF has fallen in the realm of ethics. Ehud Barak, Israel's Defence Minister, said: I say to you
