Re: [Pool] verifying ntp instalation for end users

2012-10-03 Thread Rob Janssen
Antonio M. Moreiras wrote: I am also not so sure how a Java applet could possibly check whether NTPD is installed on the local computer (where the browser runs). I have written a few Java applets myself. It's been a while, but as far as I remember, Java applets are /not/ normally allowed to

Re: [Pool] verifying ntp instalation for end users

2012-10-03 Thread Stephan Seitz
HI! I like the page. ;) Well done! As you said, the targeted audience are end users. So I'ld suggest to add some entrance like If you start here, an requester will pop up, because of blah ... Risks could be blah.. Benefits are blah ... etc Also, I'ld trim down the results even more. Ideally

Re: [Pool] verifying ntp instalation for end users

2012-10-03 Thread Andreas Krüger
Hello, Stephan, I've currently read the other answers to your mail, regarding java security, but I think this can't be your business.  if someone has java installed, he/she is at risk, but it's already there and can be used. There's feedback in the

Re: [Pool] verifying ntp instalation for end users

2012-10-03 Thread Antonio M. Moreiras
Thanks for your comments and sugestions, Stephan. On 03-10-2012 06:21, Stephan Seitz wrote: Oh, It looks like your language switch doesn't work Odd, I am seeing it in english. I will verify, maybe my team implemented portuguese as default, and english if it is explicitly the language choosen

Re: [Pool] verifying ntp instalation for end users

2012-10-03 Thread Antonio M. Moreiras
Hi Rob. Thank you very much for your comments. On 03-10-2012 05:53, Rob Janssen wrote: The big problem with that is that this whole concept of signed applet has zero value. There is no auditing of the app whatsoever, everyone with a certificate can sign his app and certificates are a dime a

Re: [Pool] verifying ntp instalation for end users

2012-10-03 Thread Mouse
Oh, It looks like your language switch doesn't work Odd, I am seeing it in english. I will verify, maybe my team implemented portuguese as default, and english if it is explicitly the language choosen in the browser. Come to think of it, when I was investigating, all the text in the pages I

Re: [Pool] verifying ntp instalation for end users

2012-10-03 Thread Mouse
The big problem with that is that this whole concept of signed applet has zero value. There is no auditing of the app whatsoever, everyone with a certificate can sign his app and certificates are a dime a dozen. Two points here: First, the certificates are cheap, but I think it would be

Re: [Pool] verifying ntp instalation for end users

2012-10-03 Thread Ask Bjørn Hansen
Hi everyone, Let us pack up the discussion of the relative merits of programming languages and execution environments, it is getting pretty far off-topic. Ask ___ pool mailing list pool@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/pool

Re: [Pool] verifying ntp instalation for end users

2012-10-03 Thread Rob Janssen
Antonio M. Moreiras wrote: Hi Rob. Thank you very much for your comments. On 03-10-2012 05:53, Rob Janssen wrote: The big problem with that is that this whole concept of signed applet has zero value. There is no auditing of the app whatsoever, everyone with a certificate can sign his app and

Re: [Pool] verifying ntp instalation for end users

2012-10-02 Thread Andreas Krüger
Hello, server operators, as you know, there are presently severe Java security problems. This could be a legitimate request for help, but this could also be a trap. I warn people to run any Java applets (including this one), unless they understand the current thread and have taken proper

Re: [Pool] verifying ntp instalation for end users

2012-10-02 Thread Mouse
as you know, there are presently severe Java security problems. I wasn't aware of that. (Not that it makes any practical difference to me, as the only thing I have that understands Java at all is made of protoplasm, not silicon.) I am also not so sure how a Java applet could possibly check

Re: [Pool] verifying ntp instalation for end users

2012-10-02 Thread Antonio M. Moreiras
On 02-10-2012 19:46, Mouse wrote: That's actually not relevant, because, at least as far as I can tell, there is no java involved. I see two javascript scripts, but no java. Hi Mouse. It seems you looked in the wrong place. See that the test itself is inside a iframe in this relatively

Re: [Pool] verifying ntp instalation for end users

2012-10-02 Thread Andreas Krüger
Hello, Antonio, thanks for your informative answer! I hope you take no offense at my mistrust, but I rather be careful. To tie up the loose ends first: * I mixed up ntpq and ntpdc, sorry! (Either of which could be used for ntp verification purposes.) * jquery is a well-known Javascript