On Nov 16, 2007 11:31 PM, Tuomo Valkonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2007-11-16, Craig Brozefsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yah, sucks to write free software, perhaps you should just stop.
Indeed, Ion3 is my final gift to the FOSS herd, that it can never
hope to repay. After that any software
On 2007-11-17 21:38 +0530, Siju George wrote:
Come on Tuomo.
Don't get so upset of not being paid back for your efforts in some way
or the other.
I don't expect to get paid back, but I'd rather people not fuck with
me after all my efforts, as the distros do.
Let me ask you this.
How many
On Nov 16, 2007 11:37 PM, Tuomo Valkonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm sure OpenBSD would like very much for me to distribute some
ancient and significantly modified release as the latest. Except,
of course, I don't have the resources for such to have much of an
effect, unlike The Party, i.e.
On Nov 17, 2007 9:54 PM, Tuomo Valkonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2007-11-17 21:38 +0530, Siju George wrote:
Come on Tuomo.
Don't get so upset of not being paid back for your efforts in some way
or the other.
I don't expect to get paid back, but I'd rather people not fuck with
me after
On Nov 17, 2007, at 11:40 AM, Siju George [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Nov 16, 2007 11:37 PM, Tuomo Valkonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm sure OpenBSD would like very much for me to distribute some
ancient and significantly modified release as the latest. Except,
of course, I don't have the
* Siju George [2007-11-17]:
If OpenBSD changed its license and put in restrictions you would have
no other way but to distribute the old one.
See it is not the OpenBSD people who tarnishes you. It is your own
license restrictions that are working against you.
Could you move this stupid
On 2007-11-17 22:10 +0530, Siju George wrote:
See it is not the OpenBSD people who tarnishes you.
It is your own license restrictions that are working against you.
The extra terms in the license are there for a reason, you know.
Distros far bigger than OpenBSD fucking with you by distributing
Please immediately take this to your own list, instead of spamming
this list further.
On 2007-11-17 22:10 +0530, Siju George wrote:
See it is not the OpenBSD people who tarnishes you.
It is your own license restrictions that are working against you.
The extra terms in the license are
On Nov 17, 2007 10:38 PM, Nikolay Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Siju George [2007-11-17]:
If OpenBSD changed its license and put in restrictions you would have
no other way but to distribute the old one.
See it is not the OpenBSD people who tarnishes you. It is your own
license
On 2007-11-17 12:03 -0500, Jason Dixon wrote:
I don't think you really care though. You sound like a very bitter
person.
I tend to like bitter. And stout and other varieties too.
--
Tuomo
On 2007-11-16, Stuart Henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The version in tree is before the license change; the additional
restrictions on the newer code are a problem.
They are not a problem for reasonable distributors that care to pay
a bit of respect
On 2007-11-16, Craig Brozefsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yah, sucks to write free software, perhaps you should just stop.
Indeed, Ion3 is my final gift to the FOSS herd, that it can never
hope to repay. After that any software I might create, will come
without any license at all (the djb way).
On 2007-11-16, Stuart Henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The version in tree is before the license change; the additional
restrictions on the newer code are a problem.
They are not a problem for reasonable distributors that care to pay
a bit of respect towards the author's time and work. Of
On 2007/11/16 17:08, Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
The Ion3 port at [1] is obsolete and should be upgraded, or at
least users be made very sure that they don't come asking me for
help. It is also misnamed: there's no such things as Ion 20070318.
It's Ion3, __development snapshot__ 20070318. Read that
On Fri, Nov 16, 2007 at 04:26:05PM +, Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
On 2007-11-16, Stuart Henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The version in tree is before the license change; the additional
restrictions on the newer code are a problem.
They are not a problem for reasonable distributors that
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007, Marco Peereboom wrote:
[snipped]
Meanwhile I'll use Ion3, __development
snapshot__ 20070318 until something that suits me better comes along.
Wasn't there a fork already that was based on the last
version with GPL?
--
Antti Harri
On 2007-11-16 11:05 -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote:
Package is no longer maintained due to your license change.
So remove it. Speaks loads of the so-called quality of the
OpenBSD distribution when it distributes ancient unmaintained
software with various bugs.
--
Tuomo
Tuomo Valkonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On 2007-11-16 10:13 -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote:
Boy, that's a lot of must's in that paragraph. Sure sounds free.
Typically free means: free for the herd to do anything,
including fucking the author in the arse. Straitjacket and
pain in the arse
On 2007-11-16 10:13 -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote:
Boy, that's a lot of must's in that paragraph. Sure sounds free.
Typically free means: free for the herd to do anything,
including fucking the author in the arse. Straitjacket and
pain in the arse for the author who has to bear with the herd.
Licenses can not be retro actively imposed. This package was done
before your license change and therefore it'll remain just like it is.
I am a pre-ion user and can't even begin to tell you how retarded your new
license is. You got what you wanted, you rendered your open source
developments
On 2007-11-16 20:13 +0100, Marc Balmer wrote:
but windows does not need a window manager...
Indeed, Ion is my only remaining umblical cord to FOSS crap, and
no thanks to the FOSS herd, but vestiges of software from the age
before the FOSS craze, from the age before the WIMP desktop model
became
Who is talking about using windows apps?
I just said I ported it work in cygwin so that I don't have to use
windows at work. GNU userland beats even MS cli commands.
On Fri, Nov 16, 2007 at 10:27:37PM +0200, Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
On 2007-11-16 13:45 -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote:
Man you are
On 2007-11-16 13:45 -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote:
Man you are in luck. I happened to make ion work on windows to make it
more bearable. It's on my site; enjoy!
Yeah, right. Actually, with the compositing manager now in Vista
(which they call the Desktop Window manager, heh), it might be
On Fri, Nov 16, 2007 at 08:07:12PM +0200, Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
On 2007-11-16 11:40 -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote:
I have a suggestion for you; why don't you rename your software to
something else instead of ion, it'll make all the evil people using
what-used-to-be-called-ion go away.
On 2007-11-16 12:25 -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote:
You knew that when you distributed the original under its original
license. If you didn't that is your fault. Don't blame me for using
free software under a relatively well understood license.
No, I just didn't think back then about the
Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
On 2007-11-16, Craig Brozefsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yah, sucks to write free software, perhaps you should just stop.
Indeed, Ion3 is my final gift to the FOSS herd, that it can never
hope to repay. After that any software I might create, will come
without any license
On 2007-11-16 11:40 -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote:
I have a suggestion for you; why don't you rename your software to
something else instead of ion, it'll make all the evil people using
what-used-to-be-called-ion go away. Problem solved.
The whole point is that Ion is name that is associated
It works fine as it is and it won't be removed. You should have thought
of the legal repercussions of writing free software. You gave it away
back then so you can't take it back. As they say, you can't put the
shit back in the horse.
You can cry us a river all day long using strong profanity.
On Fri, Nov 16, 2007 at 06:01:12PM +, Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
On 2007-11-16, Craig Brozefsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yah, sucks to write free software, perhaps you should just stop.
Indeed, Ion3 is my final gift to the FOSS herd, that it can never
hope to repay. After that any software I
On 2007-11-16 13:38 -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote:
You are naive. The open source community is harsh and does not tend to
cater to someone's feelings. Kind of like the real world.
In the harsh real world the companies sue you for distributing
their software. I might just as well adopt their
Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
On 2007-11-16 12:25 -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote:
You knew that when you distributed the original under its original
license. If you didn't that is your fault. Don't blame me for using
free software under a relatively well understood license.
No, I just didn't think
On Fri, Nov 16, 2007 at 09:06:21PM +0200, Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
On 2007-11-16 12:25 -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote:
You knew that when you distributed the original under its original
license. If you didn't that is your fault. Don't blame me for using
free software under a relatively well
On Fri, Nov 16, 2007 at 09:20:34PM +0200, Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
On 2007-11-16 20:13 +0100, Marc Balmer wrote:
but windows does not need a window manager...
Indeed, Ion is my only remaining umblical cord to FOSS crap, and
no thanks to the FOSS herd, but vestiges of software from the age
On Fri, Nov 16, 2007 at 10:23:02PM +0200, Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
On 2007-11-16 13:38 -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote:
You are naive. The open source community is harsh and does not tend to
cater to someone's feelings. Kind of like the real world.
In the harsh real world the companies sue you
On 2007-11-16, Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So why are you acting all surprised?
What surprise? I said I used to have some hope in FOSS ages ago,
but gradually it has worn off, to the extent that I no longer
care for the cause at all.
And you say: go away or nothing at all. Wow,
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