Re: Deprecated: white is better than black

2021-02-25 Thread John Dale
nical rant. Delete me for that and I will delete postfix. Devolopment of the capability to delete individuals with whom you disagree is where the speech policing is heading anyway, John On 2/25/21 5:47 AM, Wietse Venema wrote: John Dale: "American concept that racism starts and ends at a

Re: Deprecated: white is better than black

2021-02-25 Thread John Dale
Kudos to you Mauricio (great name, btw :) If we are changing variable names to fight racism, since racism is not clearly defined and may not exist, we may be making code changes to fight something that doesn't exist. "Race" - doesn't exist.  You can't point to it? I love software, though -

Re: Deprecated: white is better than black

2021-02-25 Thread John Dale
"American concept that racism starts and ends at affecting blacks" This is an untrue generalization.  It's not racist, but is it bigoted? If anything, Americans are presently too sensitive to this issue and are being pressed into making bad short sighted reactive policies. On 2/24/21 8:36

Re: Deprecated: white is better than black

2021-02-25 Thread John Dale
e bathroom .. would you rather work for someone who is the word gestapo, or someone like me? Sincerely, John Dale, lover of people of all colors if they are good people. On 2/25/21 3:20 AM, Ruben Safir wrote: however, the "allow" and "deny" clearly say something, while fo

Re: Deprecated: white is better than black

2021-02-25 Thread John Dale
this skill or that skill.  If it's biased examples of malfeasance you feel compelled to point to, I can show you plenty emanating from every skin color. Try me. Word policing has the opposite of the intended effect. Stop now before you destroy us all. :) Sincerely, John Dale, MS MIS Spearfish

Re: Deprecated: white is better than black

2021-02-24 Thread John Dale
"the right of devs to use whatever nomenclature they desire" That's it.  That's the thing.  I suppose if it was my code and I wanted to make that change other folks could go take a hike. So, whose code is it? If it were my code and I were dead (interesting prospect), I would try to lay

Re: Deprecated: white is better than black

2021-02-24 Thread John Dale
If we were to change the nomenclature to something like "disallowed" and "allowed", should we not consider the class of disallowed out there to be inherently persecuted?  Are we looking at choosing variable names with no corresponding representation in the dictionary (just in case)?  var

Re: Deprecated: white is better than black

2021-02-24 Thread John Dale
The link is in your mind (not mine) and certainly not in non-sentient software code.  Scrubbing language only serves to define and sharpen the distinction in your mind (not mine) and confuse historical development of code (this language policing will be committed to some source repo somewhere

Re: Deprecated: white is better than black

2021-02-24 Thread John Dale
What are we going to do about actual light and actual dark? On 2/24/21 10:37 AM, Curtis Maurand wrote: I totally agree with this and I am going to work to scrub the prior terminology from my system. Thank you, Wietse —Curtis Sent from my iPhone On Feb 24, 2021, at 12:12 PM, Wietse Venema

Re: The historical roots of our computer terms

2020-06-08 Thread John Dale
Why does this agitate people?  Because if the time spend on this change had been used to fix an actual deficiency, people of color who use the software would have been served with value, not just platitudes. On 6/8/20 6:49 AM, Phil Stracchino wrote: On 2020-06-07 21:27, Ruben Safir wrote:

Re: The historical roots of our computer terms

2020-06-08 Thread John Dale
Wouldn't it be better to get rid of the actual master databases and slave databases?  Regardless of what they're called, there is still subservience represented inherently. In all seriousness, racial tensions can be manufactured when no racism actually exists.  There is no racism inherent in

Re: The historical roots of our computer terms

2020-06-07 Thread John Dale
"That is 100% correct technological description" In Object Oriented Programming nomenclature, Blacklist and Master/Slave are both "cohesive"! On 6/7/20 7:27 PM, Ruben Safir wrote: That is 100% correct technological description

Re: The historical roots of our computer terms

2020-06-07 Thread John Dale
"It is a small group of international fanatics" Somebody's tuned-in. ;) John On 6/7/20 7:29 PM, Ruben Safir wrote: It is a small group of international fanatics

Re: The historical roots of our computer terms

2020-06-07 Thread John Dale
The practice of systematic erasure of language regresses to human ideas.  Language policing has inertia and a kind of gravity that starts removing tangential-but-uncontroversial ideas as a byproduct; dangerous and anti-human!  Appropriate usage of the term "Black" is not racist.  Not hiring

Re: Question getting Mail.app working with PostFix SMTP

2019-09-21 Thread John Dale
Ugh .. still having trouble getting apple's mail client to work with postfix SMTP settings. I'm not seeing anything in the logs that I can make sense of: Sep 22 04:12:50 mx postfix/smtpd[30354]: connect from unknown[the.ip.address.ofmynetwork] Sep 22 04:12:51 mx postfix/smtpd[30354]:

Still getting strange 550 error..

2019-09-20 Thread John Dale
I get this for several accounts/servers (note I've masked the host and ip): host host.com[ip.ip.ip.ip] said: 550 Access denied - Invalid HELO name (See RFC2821 4.1.1.1) (in reply to MAIL FROM command) Help?

Re: Forwarding mail through a gateway

2019-08-06 Thread John Dale
I do not have nearly your footprint or users, but I do setup DKIM/SPF/DMARC by default.  Also, google has an escalation process for emails.  You submit the request along with the complete email (with headers).  Work through the process at this URL and you might have some luck.

Re: Question getting Mail.app working with PostFix SMTP

2019-08-06 Thread John Dale
:14 AM, John Dale wrote: Greetings; Thanks for the info. I have Dovecot talking well (popping in). SMTP via postfix is giving me some issues. I'll double check my ports and typing. :) I'm wondering if I need to change authentication settings on postfix to make things more straightforward

Re: Question getting Mail.app working with PostFix SMTP

2019-08-06 Thread John Dale
a spot in Mail.app to accept the postfix tls cert. John On 8/6/19 8:02 AM, Larry Stone wrote: On Aug 6, 2019, at 8:32 AM, John Dale wrote: Greetings; I have Thunderbird working with PostFix/Dovecot for sending and receiving. STARTTLS Normal Password I don't see these options in Mail.app

Question getting Mail.app working with PostFix SMTP

2019-08-06 Thread John Dale
Greetings; I have Thunderbird working with PostFix/Dovecot for sending and receiving. STARTTLS Normal Password I don't see these options in Mail.app for OSX. I've tried updating ports and different combinations of available authentication in Mail.app, but no luck.  It either times-out or