Re: Do not forward spam

2013-09-28 Thread FliedRice
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Re: Do not forward spam

2013-09-21 Thread Robert Schetterer
Am 20.09.2013 21:42, schrieb azurIt: Am 20.09.2013 19:31, schrieb azurIt: I don't believe in rejecting e-mails based on spam checks - there are and always be false positives. I will rather accept 100 spams than reject single legitimate e-mail message. ok ,so why cry about your own

Re: Do not forward spam

2013-09-21 Thread Jan P. Kessler
The way I read his request is that he wants to forward non-spam only, and is looking for a Postfix solution that supports this. The best proposal I can come up with is a Milter that triggers on headers added by has spam filter, and that adds a second recipient only if the mail does not

Re: Do not forward spam

2013-09-21 Thread DTNX Postmaster
On Sep 21, 2013, at 14:53, Jan P. Kessler post...@jpkessler.info wrote: The way I read his request is that he wants to forward non-spam only, and is looking for a Postfix solution that supports this. The best proposal I can come up with is a Milter that triggers on headers added by has spam

Re: Do not forward spam

2013-09-21 Thread Jan P. Kessler
Would the single, existing instance with 'smtp_header_checks' not achieve the same thing? http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtp_header_checks Not, if the required headers are added later on by a content_filter.

Re: Do not forward spam

2013-09-21 Thread Jan P. Kessler
Am 21.09.2013 15:17, schrieb Jan P. Kessler: Would the single, existing instance with 'smtp_header_checks' not achieve the same thing? http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtp_header_checks Not, if the required headers are added later on by a content_filter. Just to be clear. What I

Re: Do not forward spam

2013-09-21 Thread DTNX Postmaster
On Sep 21, 2013, at 15:17, Jan P. Kessler post...@jpkessler.info wrote: Would the single, existing instance with 'smtp_header_checks' not achieve the same thing? http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtp_header_checks Not, if the required headers are added later on by a content_filter.

Re: Do not forward spam

2013-09-21 Thread Jan P. Kessler
As I read it, 'smtp_header_checks' provides a way to do header checks only on messages that are leaving the system, leaving local delivery unaffected? You are right. It should achieve the same.

Re: Do not forward spam

2013-09-21 Thread DTNX Postmaster
On Sep 21, 2013, at 15:24, Jan P. Kessler post...@jpkessler.info wrote: Am 21.09.2013 15:17, schrieb Jan P. Kessler: Would the single, existing instance with 'smtp_header_checks' not achieve the same thing? http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtp_header_checks Not, if the required

Re: Do not forward spam

2013-09-21 Thread Wietse Venema
As I read it, 'smtp_header_checks' provides a way to do header checks only on messages that are leaving the system, leaving local delivery unaffected? The SMTP client cannot add or remove recipients. The decision to forward mail needs to be made before the queue manager. Therefore,

Do not forward spam

2013-09-20 Thread azurIt
Hi, i'm having problems with spam forwarding - lot's of our users enabled forwarding to gmail and every spam they receive is also forwarded. Today gmail block us because of spam (which we were just forwarding, not sending). Any tips how can i disable forwarding in case of a spam (for example,

Re: Do not forward spam

2013-09-20 Thread Robert Schetterer
Am 20.09.2013 16:42, schrieb azurIt: Hi, i'm having problems with spam forwarding - lot's of our users enabled forwarding to gmail and every spam they receive is also forwarded. Today gmail block us because of spam (which we were just forwarding, not sending). Any tips how can i disable

Re: Do not forward spam

2013-09-20 Thread Mehul Sanghvi
On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 10:42 AM, azurIt azu...@pobox.sk wrote: Hi, i'm having problems with spam forwarding - lot's of our users enabled forwarding to gmail and every spam they receive is also forwarded. Today gmail block us because of spam (which we were just forwarding, not sending). Any

Re: Do not forward spam

2013-09-20 Thread Robert Schetterer
Am 20.09.2013 19:31, schrieb azurIt: I don't believe in rejecting e-mails based on spam checks - there are and always be false positives. I will rather accept 100 spams than reject single legitimate e-mail message. ok ,so why cry about your own decisions ? Best Regards MfG Robert

Re: Do not forward spam

2013-09-20 Thread Kris Deugau
azurIt wrote: I don't believe in rejecting e-mails based on spam checks - there are and always be false positives. I will rather accept 100 spams than reject single legitimate e-mail message. Spam volume these days is such that accepting, processing, and storing **all** mail is becoming

Re: Do not forward spam

2013-09-20 Thread Robert Schetterer
Am 20.09.2013 18:12, schrieb azurIt: Blocking emails based on spam filters are always wrong. Spam recognition will NEVER be 100%, there are always false positives. We are accepting all emails and filter them after. I just need to tell Postfix to NOT forward particular messages and only

Re: Do not forward spam

2013-09-20 Thread azurIt
On Sep 20, 2013, at 18:21, azurIt azu...@pobox.sk wrote: CC: postfix-users@postfix.org On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 10:42 AM, azurIt azu...@pobox.sk wrote: Hi, i'm having problems with spam forwarding - lot's of our users enabled forwarding to gmail and every spam they receive is also

Re: Do not forward spam

2013-09-20 Thread DTNX Postmaster
On Sep 20, 2013, at 18:12, azurIt azu...@pobox.sk wrote: On 2013-09-20 09:42, azurIt wrote: i'm having problems with spam forwarding - lot's of our users enabled forwarding to gmail and every spam they receive is also forwarded. Today gmail block us because of spam (which we were just

Re: Do not forward spam

2013-09-20 Thread azurIt
On 2013-09-20 09:42, azurIt wrote: i'm having problems with spam forwarding - lot's of our users enabled forwarding to gmail and every spam they receive is also forwarded. Today gmail block us because of spam (which we were just forwarding, not sending). Any tips how can i disable forwarding

Re: Do not forward spam

2013-09-20 Thread azurIt
CC: postfix-users@postfix.org On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 10:42 AM, azurIt azu...@pobox.sk wrote: Hi, i'm having problems with spam forwarding - lot's of our users enabled forwarding to gmail and every spam they receive is also forwarded. Today gmail block us because of spam (which we were just

Re: Do not forward spam

2013-09-20 Thread li...@rhsoft.net
Am 20.09.2013 18:12, schrieb azurIt: Blocking emails based on spam filters are always wrong says who? Spam recognition will NEVER be 100% nothing will 100%, nowehere there are always false positives yes, and there are some 100 times more spam We are accepting all emails and filter them

Re: Do not forward spam

2013-09-20 Thread azurIt
Am 20.09.2013 19:31, schrieb azurIt: I don't believe in rejecting e-mails based on spam checks - there are and always be false positives. I will rather accept 100 spams than reject single legitimate e-mail message. ok ,so why cry about your own decisions ? Where exacly i was 'crying'? I

Re: Do not forward spam

2013-09-20 Thread azurIt
azurIt wrote: I don't believe in rejecting e-mails based on spam checks - there are and always be false positives. I will rather accept 100 spams than reject single legitimate e-mail message. Spam volume these days is such that accepting, processing, and storing **all** mail is becoming

Re: Do not forward spam

2013-09-20 Thread /dev/rob0
On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 10:03:32PM +0200, azurIt wrote: On 2013-09-20 09:42, azurIt wrote: i'm having problems with spam forwarding - lot's of our users enabled forwarding to gmail and every spam they receive is also forwarded. Today gmail block us because of spam (which we were just

Re: Do not forward spam

2013-09-20 Thread jim
On 2013-09-20 09:42, azurIt wrote: i'm having problems with spam forwarding - lot's of our users enabled forwarding to gmail and every spam they receive is also forwarded. Today gmail block us because of spam (which we were just forwarding, not sending). Any tips how can i disable forwarding in

Re: Do not forward spam

2013-09-20 Thread Wietse Venema
/dev/rob0: No, I have not noticed that. Neither have you! You have noticed, at the top of this thread, that gmail is rejecting you! The way I read his request is that he wants to forward non-spam only, and is looking for a Postfix solution that supports this. The best proposal I can come up

Re: Do not forward spam

2013-09-20 Thread li...@rhsoft.net
Am 20.09.2013 22:10, schrieb azurIt: Am 20.09.2013 22:03, schrieb azurIt: One note to all fans of 'spam filters rejecting' here: Did you even notice that NO ONE of big e-mail providers are rejecting messages based on standard spam filter techniques? Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, ATT, ... No

Re: Do not forward spam

2013-09-20 Thread azurIt
CC: postfix-users@postfix.org azurIt: I was just friendly ASKING, if Postfix is able to _not_ forward a message based on it's headers. Assumung that these headers are added by a spam filter, this would require a Milter plugin that examines messages after your spam filter, and that dynamically

Re: Do not forward spam

2013-09-20 Thread li...@rhsoft.net
Am 20.09.2013 22:03, schrieb azurIt: One note to all fans of 'spam filters rejecting' here: Did you even notice that NO ONE of big e-mail providers are rejecting messages based on standard spam filter techniques? Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, ATT, ... No one is doing it, most of them have

Re: Do not forward spam

2013-09-20 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2013-09-20 1:31 PM, azurIt azu...@pobox.sk wrote: I don't believe in rejecting e-mails based on spam checks Then don't allow blanket forwarders, or just accept it when someone blocks you for good cause because of your silly decisions. - there are and always be false positives. For

Re: Do not forward spam

2013-09-20 Thread Wietse Venema
azurIt: I was just friendly ASKING, if Postfix is able to _not_ forward a message based on it's headers. Assumung that these headers are added by a spam filter, this would require a Milter plugin that examines messages after your spam filter, and that dynamically adds a forwarding address to

Re: Do not forward spam

2013-09-20 Thread azurIt
On 2013-09-20 09:42, azurIt wrote: i'm having problems with spam forwarding - lot's of our users enabled forwarding to gmail and every spam they receive is also forwarded. Today gmail block us because of spam (which we were just forwarding, not sending). Any tips how can i disable forwarding

Re: Do not forward spam

2013-09-20 Thread DTNX Postmaster
On Sep 20, 2013, at 18:21, azurIt azu...@pobox.sk wrote: CC: postfix-users@postfix.org On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 10:42 AM, azurIt azu...@pobox.sk wrote: Hi, i'm having problems with spam forwarding - lot's of our users enabled forwarding to gmail and every spam they receive is also

Re: Do not forward spam

2013-09-20 Thread azurIt
Am 20.09.2013 22:03, schrieb azurIt: One note to all fans of 'spam filters rejecting' here: Did you even notice that NO ONE of big e-mail providers are rejecting messages based on standard spam filter techniques? Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, ATT, ... No one is doing it, most of them have

Re: Do not forward spam

2013-09-20 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Hello Azur, On 9/20/2013 12:45 PM, DTNX Postmaster wrote: Has it occurred to you that the reason lots of your users enable forwarding to Gmail may be the fact that you accept everything? And that they are essentially using Gmail as the spam filter they need because of this? Joni makes a

Re: Do not forward spam

2013-09-20 Thread DTNX Postmaster
On Sep 20, 2013, at 22:03, azurIt azu...@pobox.sk wrote: You are creating this problem yourself. No spam filtering is 100% without false positives, but properly configured before-queue defenses generally cut out ~90% of the garbage you get from bots and zombies. Or more, depending on how