The historical roots of our computer terms

Food for thought from the co-author of OAuth and oEmbed. How easy would it be for Postfix/Postscreen configs/docs to, say, refer to allow/deny lists? Leah Culver (@leahculver) tweeted at 11:32 PM on Fri, Jun 05, 2020: I refuse to use “whitelist”/“blacklist” or “master”/“slave” terminology for

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Thanks for the reminder on this.  The Apache SpamAssassin project voted to do this change on May 3rd and I'm taking the baton to bring it to fruition. Regards, KAM On 6/6/2020 10:20 AM, Wietse Venema wrote: > Ian Evans: >> Food for thought from the co-author of OAuth and oEmbed. How easy would

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Ian Evans: > Food for thought from the co-author of OAuth and oEmbed. How easy would it > be for Postfix/Postscreen configs/docs to, say, refer to allow/deny lists? Easily, if they can be acessed via DNSBL/DNSWL qeueries. Any 'new' lookup mechanism will have to be added through a postscreen

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> On Jun 6, 2020, at 9:20 AM, Wietse Venema wrote: > > Ian Evans: >> Food for thought from the co-author of OAuth and oEmbed. How easy would it >> be for Postfix/Postscreen configs/docs to, say, refer to allow/deny lists? > > Easily, if they can be acessed via DNSBL/DNSWL qeueries. Any

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On Sat, 2020-06-06 at 19:12 +0200, Jaroslaw Rafa wrote: > Black color is culturally associated with the devil (and also death), > and white with an angel (innocence, etc.) in your culture. have you tried checking other cultures? > Let's not get crazy. I agree with you. It applies to all sides

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On Sat, Jun 6, 2020, 10:28 AM Kevin A. McGrail, wrote: > Thanks for the reminder on this. The Apache SpamAssassin project voted to > do this change on May 3rd and I'm taking the baton to bring it to fruition. > > > > > Kevin, that's interesting that SpamAssassin had already voted on this back

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Wietse Venema: > Ian Evans: > > Food for thought from the co-author of OAuth and oEmbed. How easy would it > > be for Postfix/Postscreen configs/docs to, say, refer to allow/deny lists? > > Easily, if they can be acessed via DNSBL/DNSWL qeueries. Any 'new' > lookup mechanism will have to be added

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Dnia 6.06.2020 o godz. 08:55:38 Ian Evans pisze: > Leah Culver (@leahculver) tweeted at 11:32 PM on Fri, Jun 05, 2020: > I refuse to use “whitelist”/“blacklist” or “master”/“slave” terminology for > computers. Join me. Words matter. >

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> On Jun 6, 2020, at 12:47, Wietse Venema wrote: > > Changing 'blacklist' into 'blocklist' or 'blackhole' into 'sinkhole' > seems doable. There is no 'slave' in documentation, program names > or parameter names. Internal identifiers and comments can be updated > with no visible consequence.

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On 6/6/2020 11:00 AM, Ian Evans wrote: > > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020, 10:28 AM Kevin A. McGrail, > wrote: > > Thanks for the reminder on this.  The Apache SpamAssassin project > voted to do this change on May 3rd and I'm taking the baton to > bring it to

Re: Uninstalling postgrey

On Wed, May 27, 2020, 8:49 PM Ian Evans, wrote: > On Wed, May 27, 2020, 11:44 AM @lbutlr, wrote: > >> On 24 May 2020, at 19:04, Ian Evans wrote: >> > Based on another thread here, I want to move to using >> postscreen/postwhite and ditch postgrey. >> > >> > Just want to make sure I don't

Re: The historical roots of our computer terms

On 2020-06-06 13:27, yuv wrote: > On Sat, 2020-06-06 at 19:12 +0200, Jaroslaw Rafa wrote: >> Black color is culturally associated with the devil (and also death), >> and white with an angel (innocence, etc.) > > in your culture. have you tried checking other cultures? Exactly. In Japanese

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On 2020-06-06 15:07, Ralph Seichter wrote: > Corollary: Please don't mistake American sensibilities for something the > whole world cares about, let alone needs to conform with. Racism is a > blight on humanity, but there are more important issues to consider than > the use of colours. And to

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It goes without saying that this kind of a discussion\debate\etc. can easily turn into something wholly not intended…therefore, all I will offer is this… Someone said earlier that they refuse to use select words because "words matter"…I would agree. That said… I respectfully submit that

Re: The historical roots of our computer terms

On 2020-06-06 16:04, Antonio Leding wrote: > I respectfully submit that context matters far far more and ignoring that in > a quest to find a solution to a widespread social ill and\or soothe a shared > trauma is a very treacherous path. Even the most serious and extreme social > ills do not

Re: The historical roots of our computer terms

El sáb, 06-06-2020 a las 13:43 -0500, Larry Stone escribió: > Code changes introduce risk (as I no doubt don’t need to tell Wietse). > I’m reminded from my days many, many years ago using VAX/VMS systems. In > looking at the files that made up that operating system, I noticed a file > name that

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On Sat, Jun 06, 2020 at 01:46:14PM -0400, Wietse Venema wrote: > Wietse Venema: > > Ian Evans: > > > Food for thought from the co-author of OAuth and oEmbed. How easy would it > > > be for Postfix/Postscreen configs/docs to, say, refer to allow/deny lists? > > > > Easily, if they can be acessed

Re: The historical roots of our computer terms

On 06 Jun 2020, at 14:04, Antonio Leding wrote: > I respectfully submit that context matters far far more and ignoring that in > a quest to find a solution to a widespread social ill and\or soothe a shared > trauma is a very treacherous path. Even the most serious and extreme social > ills do

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* Ian Evans: > Leah Culver (@leahculver) tweeted at 11:32 PM on Fri, Jun 05, 2020: > I refuse to use “whitelist”/“blacklist” or “master”/“slave” terminology > for computers. Join me. Words matter. > (https://twitter.com/leahculver/status/1269109776983547904?s=03) Does Leah Culver also refuse to

Re: The historical roots of our computer terms

This has become irrelevant to postfix-users, and any technical discussion.

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On Sat, Jun 6, 2020, 3:09 PM Ralph Seichter, wrote: > * Ian Evans: > > > Leah Culver (@leahculver) tweeted at 11:32 PM on Fri, Jun 05, 2020: > > I refuse to use “whitelist”/“blacklist” or “master”/“slave” terminology > > for computers. Join me. Words matter. > >

Re: The historical roots of our computer terms

Dnia 6.06.2020 o godz. 13:27:43 yuv pisze: > On Sat, 2020-06-06 at 19:12 +0200, Jaroslaw Rafa wrote: > > Black color is culturally associated with the devil (and also death), > > and white with an angel (innocence, etc.) > > in your culture. have you tried checking other cultures? Well, I

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On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 19:12:08 +0200 Jaroslaw Rafa wrote: > long > before any racial conflict was taking place. when was that? d -- Affectionate tactile stimulation is a primary need, a need which must be satisfied if the infant is to develop as a healthy human being. And what is a healthy