Re: Anyone use this email server configuration ?

2013-09-12 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
* Viktor Dukhovni postfix-users@postfix.org: On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 01:26:25PM +0200, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: Anyone has tested such server in real life ? http://sealedabstract.com/code/nsa-proof-your-e-mail-in-2-hours/ I finally got around reading this. I wonder if it should

Re: Anyone use this email server configuration ?

2013-09-12 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 03:36:30PM +0200, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: The blog recommends at least one of smtp[d]_tls_loglevel = 2, this is unwise except when debugging. On a low traffic server? Even on a low traffic server the voluminous TLS logging just obfuscates the useful content in the

Re: Anyone use this email server configuration ?

2013-09-11 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
* Frank Bonnet frank.bon...@esiee.fr: Hello Anyone has tested such server in real life ? http://sealedabstract.com/code/nsa-proof-your-e-mail-in-2-hours/ I finally got around reading this. I wonder if it should be more strict regaring the used ciphers (both in Postfix and Dovecot), given

Re: Anyone use this email server configuration ?

2013-09-11 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 01:26:25PM +0200, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: Anyone has tested such server in real life ? http://sealedabstract.com/code/nsa-proof-your-e-mail-in-2-hours/ I finally got around reading this. I wonder if it should be more strict regaring the used ciphers (both in

Re: Anyone use this email server configuration ?

2013-09-11 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 04:57:01PM +0200, DTNX Postmaster wrote: SSLv3 is already disabled in Postfix 2.11 when the remote server is authenticated via DNSSEC DANE TLSA records, because in this case the Postfix SMTP client needs to send the SNI extension to the server (just in case the

Re: Anyone use this email server configuration ?

2013-09-11 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 01:26:25PM +0200, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: Anyone has tested such server in real life ? http://sealedabstract.com/code/nsa-proof-your-e-mail-in-2-hours/ I finally got around reading this. I wonder if it should be more strict regaring the used ciphers (both in

Re: Anyone use this email server configuration ?

2013-09-11 Thread DTNX Postmaster
On Sep 11, 2013, at 16:34, Viktor Dukhovni postfix-us...@dukhovni.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 01:26:25PM +0200, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: Anyone has tested such server in real life ? http://sealedabstract.com/code/nsa-proof-your-e-mail-in-2-hours/ I finally got around reading this.

Re: Anyone use this email server configuration ?

2013-09-11 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 09:12:40PM +0200, DTNX Postmaster wrote: This is counter-productive. You get TLSv1 whenever the client supports it, so rejecting SSLv3 at the server does not improve security. It rejects the systems that only support SSLv3, does it not? Or am I understanding it

Re: Anyone use this email server configuration ?

2013-09-11 Thread DTNX Postmaster
On Sep 11, 2013, at 17:24, Viktor Dukhovni postfix-us...@dukhovni.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 04:57:01PM +0200, DTNX Postmaster wrote: SSLv3 is already disabled in Postfix 2.11 when the remote server is authenticated via DNSSEC DANE TLSA records, because in this case the Postfix SMTP

Re: Anyone use this email server configuration ?

2013-09-11 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 10:03:52PM +0200, DTNX Postmaster wrote: The odd thing is that both banks drop to RC4-MD5 when sending to us. I've seen this on another product that we support ourselves as well; the Postfix client negotiates a higher protocol level and better cipher for outgoing

Re: Anyone use this email server configuration ?

2013-09-11 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 09:39:57PM +0200, DTNX Postmaster wrote: This is more reasonable, provided systems you send mail to all support TLSv1 and up. What fraction of outbound handshakes end up with SSLv3? Outbound is an even smaller percentage of total TLS connections established in

Re: Anyone use this email server configuration ?

2013-09-11 Thread DTNX Postmaster
On Sep 11, 2013, at 21:37, Viktor Dukhovni postfix-us...@dukhovni.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 09:12:40PM +0200, DTNX Postmaster wrote: The reasoning was that accepting SSLv3/RC4-MD5 connections from systems for which that is apparently the maximum they can support, even today,

Re: Anyone use this email server configuration ?

2013-09-11 Thread DTNX Postmaster
On Sep 11, 2013, at 21:52, Viktor Dukhovni postfix-us...@dukhovni.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 09:39:57PM +0200, DTNX Postmaster wrote: This is more reasonable, provided systems you send mail to all support TLSv1 and up. What fraction of outbound handshakes end up with SSLv3?

Re: Anyone use this email server configuration ?

2013-09-03 Thread DTNX Postmaster
On Sep 2, 2013, at 23:13, LuKreme krem...@kreme.com wrote: For servers? Encrypting the drive on a always-on server seems a bit pointless. Once the machine is up and running, the drive is, as you said, unencrypted. However, if someone comes in to seize the machines, they will have to power

Anyone use this email server configuration ?

2013-09-02 Thread Frank Bonnet
Hello Anyone has tested such server in real life ? http://sealedabstract.com/code/nsa-proof-your-e-mail-in-2-hours/ Thank you

Re: Anyone use this email server configuration ?

2013-09-02 Thread Littlefield, Tyler
FWIW, I seen the url and stopped there. there is literally no way to NSA-proof your email for a number of reasons: First, email is sent cleartext. Even if you authenticate to send and you authenticate to receive, it's going through servers cleartext. A tap before your server is all it would

Re: Anyone use this email server configuration ?

2013-09-02 Thread Bruce Markey
The only way to nsa proof is to encrypt end to end with pgp. I run postfix with gpg-mailgate. All incoming mail is encrypted with that users public key as it comes in for any mail that is not already encrypted client side using pgp. Bruce. -- Please use PGP, ENCRYPT everything. For

Re: Anyone use this email server configuration ?

2013-09-02 Thread Littlefield, Tyler
On 9/2/2013 9:35 AM, Bruce Markey wrote: The only way to nsa proof is to encrypt end to end with pgp. I run postfix with gpg-mailgate. All incoming mail is encrypted with that users public key as it comes in for any mail that is not already encrypted client side using pgp. This makes sense,

Re: Anyone use this email server configuration ?

2013-09-02 Thread Ansgar Wiechers
On 2013-09-02 Littlefield, Tyler wrote: On 9/2/2013 9:35 AM, Bruce Markey wrote: The only way to nsa proof is to encrypt end to end with pgp. ^^^ I run postfix with gpg-mailgate. All incoming mail is encrypted with that users public

Re: Anyone use this email server configuration ?

2013-09-02 Thread DTNX Postmaster
On Sep 2, 2013, at 17:43, Ansgar Wiechers li...@planetcobalt.net wrote: On 2013-09-02 Littlefield, Tyler wrote: On 9/2/2013 9:35 AM, Bruce Markey wrote: The only way to nsa proof is to encrypt end to end with pgp. ^^^ I run postfix

Re: Anyone use this email server configuration ?

2013-09-02 Thread LuKreme
On 02 Sep 2013, at 07:10 , Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com wrote: Second, you'll need to encrypt your harddrive, which I doubt this whole blog covers. Encrypting your hard drive is trivial, at least in OS X and, I hear, even in Windows. I suspect it's more difficult in linux/freebsd,

Re: Anyone use this email server configuration ?

2013-09-02 Thread LuKreme
Top-posting this once. This is obnoxious. Stop it. On 02 Sep 2013, at 07:35 , Bruce Markey br...@secryption.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) mQINBFIjp+0BEACohL2HkOtWdsFyR+PUltMawCIfXgo4JWYElCLKWSRdwy8H+z2/

Re: Anyone use this email server configuration ?

2013-09-02 Thread li...@rhsoft.net
Am 02.09.2013 22:55, schrieb LuKreme: On 02 Sep 2013, at 07:10 , Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com wrote: Second, you'll need to encrypt your harddrive, which I doubt this whole blog covers. Encrypting your hard drive is trivial, at least in OS X and, I hear, even in Windows. and

Re: Anyone use this email server configuration ?

2013-09-02 Thread LuKreme
On 02 Sep 2013, at 15:02 , li...@rhsoft.net wrote: Am 02.09.2013 22:55, schrieb LuKreme: On 02 Sep 2013, at 07:10 , Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com wrote: Second, you'll need to encrypt your harddrive, which I doubt this whole blog covers. Encrypting your hard drive is

Re: Anyone use this email server configuration ?

2013-09-02 Thread li...@rhsoft.net
Am 02.09.2013 23:13, schrieb LuKreme: On 02 Sep 2013, at 15:02 , li...@rhsoft.net wrote: Am 02.09.2013 22:55, schrieb LuKreme: On 02 Sep 2013, at 07:10 , Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com wrote: Second, you'll need to encrypt your harddrive, which I doubt this whole blog covers.