Re: PowerMail vs. Thunderbird

2007-04-19 Thread Tim Hodgson
On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 4:59 pm -0700, Barbara Needham wrote: >I prefer text e-mails so that is another factor with me pro PowerMail. I don't think any of the people asking for better HTML support are saying they _prefer_ HTML mail; simply that they have to live with receiving it. -- TimH Power

Re: PowerMail vs. Thunderbird

2007-04-19 Thread Matthias Schmidt
Am/On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:59:48 -0700 schrieb/wrote Barbara Needham: >Winston Weinmann on 4/19/07 said > >>Has anyone compared PowerMail to Thunderbird? > >Yes, I ran both together for a month or two. I am now running PowerMail alone. > >Thunderbird: free PM: costs $ > >Thunderbird: shows html or

Re: PowerMail vs. Thunderbird

2007-04-19 Thread Michael Tsai
On Apr 19, 2007, at 11:59 AM, Barbara Needham wrote: Spam: SpamSieve works seamlessly with PowerMail. As far as I can see, it does not work with Thunderbird. SpamSieve 2.6 does work with Thunderbird. However, the accuracy of the spam filtering will be a bit higher if you use it with PowerM

Re: PowerMail vs. Thunderbird

2007-04-19 Thread Barbara Needham
Winston Weinmann on 4/19/07 said >Has anyone compared PowerMail to Thunderbird? Yes, I ran both together for a month or two. I am now running PowerMail alone. Thunderbird: free PM: costs $ Thunderbird: shows html or pictures according to your preferences by each folder/account. PM: must choose

Re: PowerMail vs. Thunderbird

2007-04-19 Thread Winston Weinmann
Exactly. That's why the printing problem is so glaring a defect. - Winston >Winston, if you jump over the html issue, PM is one of the best, if not >THE best mail-client for the Mac. >And I recently tested them all, because I had to implement a mail-client >in a database. > >Thanks and all the be

Re: PowerMail vs. Thunderbird

2007-04-19 Thread Matthias Schmidt
Am/On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:24:45 -0400 schrieb/wrote Winston Weinmann: >Has anyone compared PowerMail to Thunderbird? not directly. I use TB sometime for testing or for imap. TB has some advantages, like a GnuPGP Plugin, a bit better imap implementation and html mail, if one likes that blinky pink

PowerMail vs. Thunderbird

2007-04-19 Thread Winston Weinmann
Has anyone compared PowerMail to Thunderbird? Thanks. - Winston

Re: Powermail vs. Thunderbird (off topic)

2003-09-15 Thread C. A. Niemiec
>... >Great filter, Mr. Gates. Why don't you hire Mike Tsai. I seem to recall a scene like this in "The Empire Strikes Back." Don't do it Mike Tsaiwalker! :D Chris --

Re: Powermail vs. Thunderbird

2003-09-15 Thread Scott at HobbyLink Japan
>Good for you. However, modem users would still be paying for the extra >connection time. Mailserver operators and Internet providers would still >be paying for the bandwidth, temp storage that spam generates, even if >everyone owned a copy of spamsieve. Guess who's paying for all of that in >the

Re: Powermail vs. Thunderbird

2003-09-14 Thread Max Gossell
At Sunday, September 14, 2003, 18.37 CET, Mikael Byström wrote: >What about mobile mail? Is there a spamsieve or similar for your phone or >Palm? Don't talk about -- when paying per kB and using the mobile phone's slow connection and getting hundreds of spam mails (or even spam headers) downloa

Re: Powermail vs. Thunderbird

2003-09-14 Thread Mikael Bystr
Scott, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: >I see all the whining and hand-wringing in the media about how spam is >"destroying the Internet" and costing billions in lost time, etc. And >everytime I think, "if these people just bought SpamSieve, we wouldn't >have stories in the media like this." It honestl

Re: Re(2): Powermail vs. Thunderbird

2003-09-13 Thread Janusz Buda
Michael Tsai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Let me see -- I replaced both application and scripts, allowed >> SpamSieve >> to update the corpus, then reset it. I then imported some seed spam and >> retrained with a few dozen good/bad messages to the corpus. > >I think that's the problem There are

Re(6): Powermail vs. Thunderbird

2003-09-12 Thread Marlyse Comte
>I have tried every form of Database rebuilding PowerMail offers in an >attempt to improve stability. Still when I awoke this morning, and >stumbled over to the duallie, "The Application PowerMail has expectedly >quit." :/ try deleting PMs preference file (in the PM Files folder). Window Prefs /

Re: Re(2): Powermail vs. Thunderbird

2003-09-12 Thread Michael Tsai
On Friday, September 12, 2003, at 10:02 AM, Janusz Buda wrote: > Let me see -- I replaced both application and scripts, allowed > SpamSieve > to update the corpus, then reset it. I then imported some seed spam and > retrained with a few dozen good/bad messages to the corpus. I think that's the

Re: Re(5): Powermail vs. Thunderbird

2003-09-12 Thread C. A. Niemiec
Scott at HobbyLink: >Not only that, but Michael Tsai is actively developing the program, >and very responsive. not long after... Michael Tsai: >There's no POP locking problem with SpamSieve because PowerMail is what >downloads the messages. aob_ml - Check it out! There's your active developer

Re: Re(2): Powermail vs. Thunderbird

2003-09-12 Thread Janusz Buda
Michael Tsai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Thursday, September 11, 2003, at 11:37 PM, Janusz Buda wrote: > >> Ever since updating to PowerMail 4.2 and SpamSieve 2.0 the PM filters >> have been setting about 90% of incoming mail (both spam and good) to >> Label Priority No. 7, with no recognizab

Re(5): Powermail vs. Thunderbird

2003-09-12 Thread Tim Hodgson
On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 8:15 am -0400, aob_ml wrote: >Thankfully I run my own domain, and have been able to run some filtering >at that level. Maybe SpamAssassin would be a better option for you? >When I mentioned that $25 for SpamSieve was a deal breaker, it's not that >$25 is a lot of money,

Re(5): Powermail vs. Thunderbird

2003-09-12 Thread Michael Lewis
aob_ml sez: >No I haven't already decided, I'm playing devils advocate here. And I'm >waiting for some point to come in and convince me. The thing is that mail clients are an incredibly personal preference, so nothing anyone says is likely going to convince you. People try mail clients until the

Re: Re(2): Powermail vs. Thunderbird

2003-09-12 Thread Michael Tsai
On Thursday, September 11, 2003, at 11:37 PM, Janusz Buda wrote: > Ever since updating to PowerMail 4.2 and SpamSieve 2.0 the PM filters > have been setting about 90% of incoming mail (both spam and good) to > Label Priority No. 7, with no recognizable pattern. > > I noticed that the SpamSieve '

Re: Re(5): Powermail vs. Thunderbird

2003-09-12 Thread Michael Tsai
On Friday, September 12, 2003, at 08:15 AM, aob_ml wrote: > The problem with the external filters is the obvious poplock problem, > when the filter tries to connect at the same time. There's no POP locking problem with SpamSieve because PowerMail is what downloads the messages. -- Michael T

Re(5): Powermail vs. Thunderbird

2003-09-12 Thread aob_ml
I have tried every form of Database rebuilding PowerMail offers in an attempt to improve stability. Still when I awoke this morning, and stumbled over to the duallie, "The Application PowerMail has expectedly quit." :/ The Bayesian filters, all work as well as one and another, which means, they'

Re: Re(3): Powermail vs. Thunderbird

2003-09-12 Thread Dietmar Harms
Austin, >I expect stability I had this problem for some time that PowerMail crashed rather often. After using the built in features to compact the database and rebuilding the index, the problem disappeared. Now PowerMail is running for months without any crash under Mac OS X 10.2.6. >AppleScrip

Re(3): Powermail vs. Thunderbird

2003-09-12 Thread Tim Hodgson
On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 2:21 pm +0900, Scott at HobbyLink Japan wrote: >Whether $25 is a lot of money or not for SpamSieve is something only you >can decide, but let me offer this: I'd be quite surprised if anybody >else's (free or built-in) spam system worked as well as it does. Not >only that

Re(4): Powermail vs. Thunderbird

2003-09-12 Thread Karel Gillissen
Op donderdag, 11 september 2003 schreef aob_ml: /snip > >No I haven't already decided, I'm playing devils advocate here. And I'm >waiting for some point to come in and convince me. It is all a matter of personal taste. I switched to Powermail from Claris Emailer some 2.5 years ago after e

Re(3): Powermail vs. Thunderbird

2003-09-12 Thread Scott at HobbyLink Japan
>AppleScript is nice, but I haven't needed to use it for anything (in the >few cases where I considered it, Powermail couldn't trigger a script.) iKey, Quickeys, etc. can all trigger AppleScripts from any program with keys you assign to them. I use iKey. Whether $25 is a lot of money or not for

Re(4): Powermail vs. Thunderbird

2003-09-12 Thread aob_ml
Thu, 11 Sep 2003 23:37:54 -0400 >On Thu, Sep 11, 2003, it is attributed to aob_ml to have said: > >>but I expect stability in >>return, which I have never really gotten. > >This I don't get. What OS you working on? Here on MOSX, PM has never >once crashed in the half-year I have been using it.

Re(2): Powermail vs. Thunderbird

2003-09-12 Thread Janusz Buda
Judi Sohn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 20:20:52 -0600 Bill ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: > >>I have to agree, if you get too much spam, get SpamSieve period. > >And here's another vote. Shortly after I downloaded SpamSieve 2.0 >(upgrade) I wiped out my corpus as recommended and us

Re(3): Powermail vs. Thunderbird

2003-09-12 Thread John Snippe
On Thu, Sep 11, 2003, it is attributed to aob_ml to have said: >but I expect stability in >return, which I have never really gotten. This I don't get. What OS you working on? Here on MOSX, PM has never once crashed in the half-year I have been using it... Do have one Q about T-Bird: how doe

Re(3): Powermail vs. Thunderbird

2003-09-12 Thread aob_ml
SpamSieve ($25) vs. Free. There's the breaker there. Seems like I might be throwing good money after bad. That and it is a kludge in this day and age where nearly every other mail app has some spam filtering. Performance isn't an issue on my hardware.. Speaking of which I can run Thunderbird

Re(2): Powermail vs. Thunderbird

2003-09-12 Thread Judi Sohn
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 20:20:52 -0600 Bill ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: >I have to agree, if you get too much spam, get SpamSieve period. And here's another vote. Shortly after I downloaded SpamSieve 2.0 (upgrade) I wiped out my corpus as recommended and used my already existing Spam folder with 700

Re(3): Powermail vs. Thunderbird

2003-09-12 Thread Marlyse Comte
> Thunderbird Cons: > Unknown Future/Not Fully developed > Open Source No AppleScript (and > unlikely in at least the near future) I took a quick peak at thunderbird and as cool it might seem, there are definite points why I personally would not switch: don't think the interface elegant nor rea

Re(2): Powermail vs. Thunderbird

2003-09-12 Thread Bill Schjelderup
I have to agree, if you get too much spam, get SpamSieve period. +---+ | Bill Schjelderup -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | +---+ >>Thunderbird Cons: >>Unknown Future/Not Fully developed >>Open Source >>No AppleScript (and unl

Re: Powermail vs. Thunderbird

2003-09-12 Thread Scott at HobbyLink Japan
>Thunderbird Cons: >Unknown Future/Not Fully developed >Open Source >No AppleScript (and unlikely in at least the near future) That last one is a fatal flaw for me. With AppleScript, you can add features and shortcuts to a program and customize it as you want. You mention as a con of PM that i

Re: Powermail vs. Thunderbird

2003-09-12 Thread Gerald F. Carroll
This is strange indeed. I cannot remember the last time Powermail failed on me. I won't say it hasn't, but never where it doesn't start up right again. I like powermail because i hate HTML with all it's dancing garbage. I do not find an irregularity in the updates, Skins don't are not terribly

Powermail vs. Thunderbird

2003-09-12 Thread aob_ml
Okay, so I've been a *paid* user of Powermail 4 for I don't know, better then 6 months. And I've been fairly happy. However Thunderbird has been coming on strong, and I've installed it on a ton of friends computers, and they've been totally thrilled. So here it is, I hate to give up on somethin