Re: [OT] Leland! Drive this!

2008-12-05 Thread Jean Laeremans
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Geoff Flight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I drive a Ford Performance Vehicles GT. It compares performance wise with European performance cars with similar build quality that cost 2-3times as much. Really ? In Australia perhaps..add a few curbs and ..one sees

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2008-12-05 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
Leland Jackson wrote: If the big three go out of business, who do you think will pick up the slack to met the USA demand for autos? I don't see young start-up companies being able to move into the vacuum previously occupied by large USA autos manufacturers geared towards mass production. I

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2008-12-05 Thread Michael Madigan
http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike --- On Fri, 12/5/08, MB Software Solutions General Account [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: MB Software Solutions General Account [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OT] Leland! Drive this! To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Date: Friday, December 5, 2008

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2008-12-05 Thread Leland Jackson
MB Software Solutions General Account wrote: Leland Jackson wrote: If the big three go out of business, who do you think will pick up the slack to met the USA demand for autos? I don't see young start-up companies being able to move into the vacuum previously occupied by large USA autos

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2008-12-05 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
Leland Jackson wrote: Yes, I'm considering that the loss of the big three American auto companies would result in many of the displaced workers finding there way into the surviving auto companies, that would need additional labour to meet increased demands for their auto products. I know that

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2008-12-05 Thread Michael Madigan
Account [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: MB Software Solutions General Account [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OT] Leland! Drive this! To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 5:12 PM Leland Jackson wrote: Yes, I'm considering that the loss of the big three

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2008-12-05 Thread Leland Jackson
MB Software Solutions General Account wrote: Leland Jackson wrote: Yes, I'm considering that the loss of the big three American auto companies would result in many of the displaced workers finding there way into the surviving auto companies, that would need additional labour to meet

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2008-12-05 Thread Pete Theisen
Leland Jackson wrote: I'm perfectly happy with my TDI VW Jetta Wagon, even with the price of gasoline way down. Just the thing for the list auto-weenie! http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2008/smallbusiness/0812/gallery.stalled_electric_cars.smb/index.html or http://tinyurl.com/6btzsr Hi

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2008-12-05 Thread Kristyne McDaniel
Lee, It appears to me that these companies have a short term liquidity crisis due to an economic crisis, and with sales down and no chance to raise capital under current conditions form either stock or bond issuance, they need our help. Exactly. The automakers from Europe and Japan are

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2008-12-05 Thread Leland Jackson
Pete Theisen wrote: Leland Jackson wrote: I'm perfectly happy with my TDI VW Jetta Wagon, even with the price of gasoline way down. Just the thing for the list auto-weenie! http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2008/smallbusiness/0812/gallery.stalled_electric_cars.smb/index.html

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2008-12-05 Thread Pete Theisen
Leland Jackson wrote: http://tinyurl.com/6btzsr After all that, wouldn't you at least like to TRY a 3 second 0 - 60 http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1959-bocar-xp5.htm The looks of the BOCAR reminds me a little of the Chevy corvette, and I'm sure she would be a blast to drive with all that

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2008-12-05 Thread Geoff Flight
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kristyne McDaniel Sent: Saturday, 6 December 2008 9:53 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] Leland! Drive this! Lee, It appears to me that these companies have a short term liquidity crisis due to an economic crisis

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2008-12-05 Thread Leland Jackson
Pete Theisen wrote: Leland Jackson wrote: http://tinyurl.com/6btzsr After all that, wouldn't you at least like to TRY a 3 second 0 - 60 http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1959-bocar-xp5.htm The looks of the BOCAR reminds me a little of the Chevy

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2008-12-05 Thread Leland Jackson
. Ford and Chrysler can be fixed but GM is gone no-matter-what. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kristyne McDaniel Sent: Saturday, 6 December 2008 9:53 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] Leland! Drive this! Lee

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2008-12-05 Thread Geoff Flight
as a lost cause. Ford and Chrysler have serious problems that are beatable but GM is all but dead. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leland Jackson Sent: Saturday, 6 December 2008 11:46 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Leland! Drive

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2008-12-05 Thread Pete Theisen
Geoff Flight wrote: One significant difference is that GM is non-viable period. Recession or not the company is done-for. The euro and Japanese manufacturers ARE viable but in a short-term problem because of this crisis. Ford and Chrysler can be fixed but GM is gone no-matter-what. Hi Geoff!

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2008-12-05 Thread Leland Jackson
but GM is all but dead. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leland Jackson Sent: Saturday, 6 December 2008 11:46 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Leland! Drive this! I disagree. Given a little oxygen GM will be back

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2008-12-05 Thread Pete Theisen
Leland Jackson wrote: Auto Manufacturer that produce auto in mass need at least a one year lead period to plan and tool for the next years models, so how could they have possibly adjusted to the volatility in the petroleum market and to the sudden economic crisis in which they presently

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2008-12-05 Thread Leland Jackson
Pete Theisen wrote: Leland Jackson wrote: Auto Manufacturer that produce auto in mass need at least a one year lead period to plan and tool for the next years models, so how could they have possibly adjusted to the volatility in the petroleum market and to the sudden economic crisis

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2008-12-04 Thread Michael Madigan
Looks like the environmental weenies will be crying in their tofu. * Barack Obama is not My President http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Pete Theisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Pete Theisen [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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2008-12-04 Thread Pete Theisen
Michael Madigan wrote: Looks like the environmental weenies will be crying in their tofu. Hi Michael! If it is green it isn't supposed to be fun. Just the thing for the list auto-weenie! http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2008/smallbusiness/0812/gallery.stalled_electric_cars.smb/index.html or

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2008-12-04 Thread Leland Jackson
The crisis in the financial and housing sectors of the US economy has put many projects on hold or out of business. Even the big three US Automotive companies and struggling to survive, and they know plenty about making cars. Also, T-bone (eg T boone) Pickens was forced to put his wind

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2008-12-04 Thread Stephen Russell
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Leland Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The crisis in the financial and housing sectors of the US economy has put many projects on hold or out of business. Even the big three US Automotive companies and struggling to survive, and they know plenty about making

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2008-12-04 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
Leland Jackson wrote: The crisis in the financial and housing sectors of the US economy has put many projects on hold or out of business. Even the big three US Automotive companies and struggling to survive, and they know plenty about making cars. Also, T-bone (eg T boone) Pickens was forced

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2008-12-04 Thread Leland Jackson
If the big three go out of business, who do you think will pick up the slack to met the USA demand for autos? I don't see young start-up companies being able to move into the vacuum previously occupied by large USA autos manufacturers geared towards mass production. I would expect the demand

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2008-12-04 Thread Geoff Flight
Subject: Re: [OT] Leland! Drive this! Leland Jackson wrote: The crisis in the financial and housing sectors of the US economy has put many projects on hold or out of business. Even the big three US Automotive companies and struggling to survive, and they know plenty about making cars. Also, T-bone

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2008-12-04 Thread Leland Jackson
I see both pros and cons to letting the USA auto industry fail. If the USA became totally dependent on foreign sources to supply America's transportation needs, it could make relations with the auto producting nations stronger, and the auto producing nations would be dependent on good

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2008-12-04 Thread Leland Jackson
drive conversion over here. Cant see that happening! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions General Account Sent: Friday, 5 December 2008 7:13 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Leland! Drive this! Leland

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2008-12-04 Thread Geoff Flight
with right-hand drive conversion over here. Cant see that happening! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions General Account Sent: Friday, 5 December 2008 7:13 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Leland! Drive

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2008-12-04 Thread Adam Buckland
and probably the last good car to come out of Ford... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leland Jackson Sent: 04 December 2008 20:50 To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Leland! Drive this! The economy is increasingly becoming

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2008-12-04 Thread Stephen Russell
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Geoff Flight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That said my dream car is an American Ford GT which would cost in excess of $A600,000 with right-hand drive conversion over here. Cant see that happening! - Did they put a turbo in

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2008-12-04 Thread Leland Jackson
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leland Jackson Sent: 04 December 2008 20:50 To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Leland! Drive this! The economy is increasingly becoming a global market, so looking at individual national economies is not as relevant as looking

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2008-12-04 Thread Leland Jackson
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leland Jackson Sent: 04 December 2008 20:50 To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Leland! Drive this! The economy is increasingly becoming a global market, so looking at individual national economies is not as relevant

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2008-12-04 Thread Geoff Flight
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Russell Sent: Friday, 5 December 2008 8:24 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Leland! Drive this! On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Geoff Flight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That said my dream car is an American Ford GT which would cost in excess

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2008-12-04 Thread Geoff Flight
Subject: Re: [OT] Leland! Drive this! Adam Buckland wrote: You are assuming that the car producing nations all run according to national interests. No, they run on commercial interests, if you walk down the streets of Havana you will see plenty of non US cars despite governments opposing links

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2008-12-04 Thread Leland Jackson
Subject: Re: [OT] Leland! Drive this! Adam Buckland wrote: You are assuming that the car producing nations all run according to national interests. No, they run on commercial interests, if you walk down the streets of Havana you will see plenty of non US cars despite governments opposing

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2008-12-04 Thread Geoff Flight
, 5 December 2008 9:01 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Leland! Drive this! Made in Australia is a little surprising. I'm no longer interested in fast, powerful cars, as my street racing, girl chasing days are long over. I'm very happy with my current transportation, a 2005 VW Jetta

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2008-12-04 Thread Leland Jackson
] On Behalf Of Leland Jackson Sent: Friday, 5 December 2008 9:01 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Leland! Drive this! Made in Australia is a little surprising. I'm no longer interested in fast, powerful cars, as my street racing, girl chasing days are long over. I'm very happy with my

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2008-12-04 Thread Geoff Flight
:30 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Leland! Drive this! The FPV-GT seem to be an impressive auto, but the 16.8010416739 MPG is a little low for the times: 14L = 3.69840873 gallons - = 16.8010416739 MPG 100m

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2008-12-04 Thread Leland Jackson
28MPG. But it didn't buy it for its economy! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leland Jackson Sent: Friday, 5 December 2008 9:30 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Leland! Drive this! The FPV-GT seem to be an impressive auto

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2008-12-04 Thread Geoff Flight
Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Leland! Drive this! That's a little better: 100m = 62.1371192 miles -- = 23.5214583562 MPG 10L = 2.64172052 gallons Regards, LelandJ Geoff Flight wrote: I do a lot of short drives. 16MPG would please me if it achieved

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2008-12-04 Thread Leland Jackson
2008 9:56 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Leland! Drive this! That's a little better: 100m = 62.1371192 miles -- = 23.5214583562 MPG 10L = 2.64172052 gallons Regards, LelandJ Geoff Flight wrote: I do a lot of short drives. 16MPG

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2008-12-04 Thread Leland Jackson
is slightly different to the imperial gallon. Exactly why that is the case is anyone's guess. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leland Jackson Sent: Friday, 5 December 2008 9:56 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Leland! Drive

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2008-12-04 Thread Geoff Flight
Of Leland Jackson Sent: Friday, 5 December 2008 11:33 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Leland! Drive this! OK. The British gallon is different from an American gallon. A British gallon is 4.5 litres and an American gallon is 3.8 litres, so that might explain the difference in our

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2008-12-04 Thread Bob Calco
The American gallon is used in America and the rest of the world uses the imperial gallon And you call us the imperialists! The nerve! - Bob ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance:

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2008-12-04 Thread Michael Madigan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] Leland! Drive this! To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 8:37 PM The American gallon is used in America and the rest of the world uses the imperial gallon And you call us the imperialists! The nerve! - Bob

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2008-12-04 Thread Pete Theisen
Adam Buckland wrote: As an aside though I have a nice Mustang Convertible in the UK but that's almost 42 years old now well looked after in my absence and probably the last good car to come out of Ford... Hi Adam! I have a 95 E250 that is a good truck. Inline 4.9 6 that seems unbreakable.