RE: Anybody using VS Lightswitch

2011-09-15 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 09:41 AM 9/13/2011 +0100, Alan Bourke wrote: >On Monday, September 12, 2011 9:56 PM, "Allen" > wrote: > >I'm risking being called a shill for Servoy here, which I'm totally not, >but I had some replies to your points. I'm only evaluating it as well. > > > I am wondering why you want an alternat

RE: Anybody using VS Lightswitch

2011-09-13 Thread Dave Crozier
Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: 13 September 2011 15:07 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: Anybody using VS Lightswitch On Tuesday, September 13, 2011 1:02 PM, "Allen" wrote: > Ok so Alpha 5 and servoy are out. I'm still heading for C# as I have VS > 2010. Comparing Servoy to C

RE: Anybody using VS Lightswitch

2011-09-13 Thread Alan Bourke
On Tuesday, September 13, 2011 1:02 PM, "Allen" wrote: > Ok so Alpha 5 and servoy are out. I'm still heading for C# as I have VS > 2010. Comparing Servoy to C# is not really valid - you should compare Servoy to C# plus whatever ORM you decide to use, plus whatever database, plus whatever embedd

RE: Anybody using VS Lightswitch

2011-09-13 Thread Alan Bourke
On Tuesday, September 13, 2011 11:09 AM, "Dave Crozier" wrote: > > I would like VFP type data as in free tables > rather than security screwed up ones. So you don't envisage writing anything where it's important that people can't just open the tables and run riot ? There are reasons that people

Re: Anybody using VS Lightswitch

2011-09-13 Thread Ed Leafe
On Sep 13, 2011, at 6:09 AM, Dave Crozier wrote: > Think we are a into [NF] territory here...! Since the thread subject was about VS Lightswitch, I think we've been there all along! -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subsc

RE: Anybody using VS Lightswitch

2011-09-13 Thread Tracy Pearson
Allen wrote: >Hi Alan >Not going to call anyone anything for using whatever they like. The >main >problem I have is the cost. It's the kind of thing maybe a big company >can >afford but not me. So, will Servoy be about after 2015. Also why not >Dabo >which seems to do cross platform and web and i

RE: Anybody using VS Lightswitch

2011-09-13 Thread Dave Crozier
Think we are a into [NF] territory here...! Dave -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Allen Sent: 13 September 2011 12:03 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: Anybody using VS Lightswitch Ok so Alpha 5 and servoy are out. I&#

RE: Anybody using VS Lightswitch

2011-09-13 Thread Dave Crozier
web based with very minimal application coding change. I'll drop you a personal email with some possibilities... Dave -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Allen Sent: 13 September 2011 12:03 To: profox@leafe.com Subject:

RE: Anybody using VS Lightswitch

2011-09-13 Thread Allen
Ok so Alpha 5 and servoy are out. I'm still heading for C# as I have VS 2010. But I hate sql server. I would like VFP type data as in free tables rather than security screwed up ones. What is the choice of a fast table based system. Allen -Original Message- Alan, I have used Alpha 5 quite

RE: Anybody using VS Lightswitch

2011-09-13 Thread Dave Crozier
Of Alan Bourke Sent: 13 September 2011 11:33 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: Anybody using VS Lightswitch On Tuesday, September 13, 2011 11:03 AM, "Allen" wrote: > So, will Servoy be about after 2015. Well, they've been around since 1997 apparently - presumably they will pic

RE: Anybody using VS Lightswitch

2011-09-13 Thread Alan Bourke
Although Alpha Five is closed source, uses a proprietary version of BASIC and only has a 30-day trial, all of which count against it in my book. -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription M

RE: Anybody using VS Lightswitch

2011-09-13 Thread Alan Bourke
On Tuesday, September 13, 2011 11:03 AM, "Allen" wrote: > So, will Servoy be about after 2015. Well, they've been around since 1997 apparently - presumably they will pick up at least some of the people coming off VFP. That Alpha Five seems interesting, has a more appealing licencing model if n

RE: Anybody using VS Lightswitch

2011-09-13 Thread Dave Crozier
et as new technology I wonder what a stir it would cause in the programming world.. Dave -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: 13 September 2011 09:47 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: Anybody using VS L

RE: Anybody using VS Lightswitch

2011-09-13 Thread Allen
Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: 13 September 2011 10:41 To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: RE: Anybody using VS Lightswitch On Monday, September 12, 2011 9:56 PM, "Allen" wrote: I'm risking be

RE: Anybody using VS Lightswitch

2011-09-13 Thread Alan Bourke
On Monday, September 12, 2011 4:16 PM, "Tracy Pearson" wrote: > > > > The cost of Servoy removed it from our options as well. That's the killer. If they are wanting to position themselves as the successor to VFP then they have to look at the types of people that use VFP and the size of appl

RE: Anybody using VS Lightswitch

2011-09-13 Thread Alan Bourke
On Monday, September 12, 2011 9:56 PM, "Allen" wrote: I'm risking being called a shill for Servoy here, which I'm totally not, but I had some replies to your points. I'm only evaluating it as well. > I am wondering why you want an alternative to VFP. It's not dead yet 2015, yes. That might be

RE: Anybody using VS Lightswitch

2011-09-13 Thread Dave Crozier
uivalent of VFP Datagrids ... then some more! I Give it a look guys ... I think you'll be impressed, I was/am. Dave -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Mike Copeland Sent: 13 September 2011 03:20 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re

Re: Anybody using VS Lightswitch

2011-09-12 Thread Mike Copeland
Agreed+++ Well put. Mike Original Message Subject: Re: Anybody using VS Lightswitch From: José Olavo Cerávolo To: profoxt...@leafe.com Date: 9/12/2011 6:46 PM Hi Guys, My fault... I do not consider Servoy as a solution. I want to be able to build applications for medium

RE: Anybody using VS Lightswitch

2011-09-12 Thread José Olavo Cerávolo
Hi Guys, My fault... I do not consider Servoy as a solution. I want to be able to build applications for medium, small and even home users. I don't want the application to be attached to a service. Any company selling a service in place of VFP cannot sell itself as a replacement to it neither

RE: Anybody using VS Lightswitch

2011-09-12 Thread Tracy Pearson
Allen wrote on 2011-09-12: > I am wondering why you want an alternative to VFP. It's not dead yet despite > the marketing , lies I think " of Servoy. 2015 isnt it before its dropped. > Anyway what makes Servoy any better than VFP. It's still an unknown as far > as clients are concerned. > Als

RE: Anybody using VS Lightswitch

2011-09-12 Thread Allen
Is it possible to do android and ipad devs ? Al -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Rick Schummer Hi John, >> Looking at writing something for the Droid with it.<< Lightswitch to create Droid apps? Really interested in

RE: Anybody using VS Lightswitch

2011-09-12 Thread Allen
I am wondering why you want an alternative to VFP. It's not dead yet despite the marketing , lies I think " of Servoy. 2015 isnt it before its dropped. Anyway what makes Servoy any better than VFP. It's still an unknown as far as clients are concerned. Also Ken is not on the team. He is just a mark

RE: Anybody using VS Lightswitch

2011-09-12 Thread john harvey
: Anybody using VS Lightswitch Hi John, >> Looking at writing something for the Droid with it.<< Lightswitch to create Droid apps? Really interested in this since the generated app is Silverlight, not Java. I am curious how this works. Rick White Light Computing, Inc. www.whitelightc

RE: Anybody using VS Lightswitch

2011-09-12 Thread Alan Bourke
On Monday, September 12, 2011 10:00 AM, "Kurt Wendt" wrote: > So - how do YOU Find Servoy? You say you seem to like it. Is it a direct > replacement for FoxPro? Is it basically FoxPro coding? Or - is it > completely different than FoxPro??? > What is it first of all? Well, take a look at this

Re: Anybody using VS Lightswitch

2011-09-12 Thread Ed Leafe
On Sep 12, 2011, at 9:00 AM, Kurt Wendt wrote: > So - how do YOU Find Servoy? You say you seem to like it. Is it a direct > replacement for FoxPro? Is it basically FoxPro coding? Or - is it > completely different than FoxPro??? I find it so interesting that you get that impression based o

RE: Anybody using VS Lightswitch

2011-09-12 Thread Kurt Wendt
Hey Alan, I'm glad you brought up Servoy - as I was going to suggest it here. The only reason I was going to do this - is because the key guy on the Servoy team (Ken Levy) recently e-mailed me (a bit like a sales pitch) at my company e-mail here where I work by day. (Although - when I wrote back t

Re: Anybody using VS Lightswitch

2011-09-12 Thread Alan Bourke
Looked at a fairly late beta, it was like a lot of these tools - fantastic as long as what you're doing falls into one of their pre-cooked use cases. Once you start to deviate, the amount of work to get it to do anything it doesn't want to means you might as well just use IdeaBlade or something and

RE: Anybody using VS Lightswitch

2011-09-12 Thread john harvey
Looking at writing something for the Droid with it. John Harvey -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Malcolm Greene Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 7:55 AM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: Anybody using VS Lightswitch Hi José

Re: Anybody using VS Lightswitch

2011-09-12 Thread Malcolm Greene
Hi José, I looked at an early beta of this product and was not impressed. My personal, highly subjective opinion was this product is clunky and a pain-in-the-ass to install with lots of dependencies. The product itself is basically a code generator - but the beta version I was running was going