Re: IBM to buy RedHat
I know Ed was responding kind of tongue-in-cheek, but I thought I would add on Jerry's response. Based on my experience, culture is by FAR the more determinant factor to predict results of a corporate acquisition. Corporate culture very rarely, if ever, changes over the life of a company (of 4 companies that I have direct experience where they tried to change the "culture", all 4 failed to change it - that's 100% failure - but, of course, it was only 4 companies - yes, I'm generalizing ). Very small companies are the only ones that have a reasonable chance of culture-changeability, and IBM is not small. So, the culture of IBM is definitely NOT in line with open source software (yeah, yeah, they've donated, blah blah, but their soul has already been sold ). How will that play out? Maybe something like Java. And that will probably mean new open source distros get branched off the latest Red Hat prior to IBM's purchase. Or maybe IBM will truly focus on charging only for support. But my guess is their bean-counters will not allow much time (cost) be spent on the OS if they are not going to charge just to buy it. And that means the IBM version of the OS will probably stagnate. -Charlie It could, but it seems unlikely that a culture as entrenched as the one at IBM will suddenly flip, for better or worse. I would imagine that mainframe salespeople will still be in their blue suits when pushing big iron to other corporate behemoths. -Jerry ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/dcb2f5a1-0252-7f47-56ae-09f7bd3f9...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: IBM to buy RedHat
At 11:42 2018-11-07, Ted Roche wrote: On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 2:14 PM Gene Wirchenko wrote: > OTOH, there is that line about insanity. Oh, you mean: https://twitter.com/tedroche/status/701896005332168705 Yes. (Were you expecting any other answer? Be honest.) Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/f01619184f75943c35c2960a15996858@mtlp85 ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: IBM to buy RedHat
On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 2:14 PM Gene Wirchenko wrote: > OTOH, there is that line about insanity. > Oh, you mean: https://twitter.com/tedroche/status/701896005332168705 -- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/cacw6n4uy2whzvpaqxuoxwzmocgjbhouotzku7kmtcawkh62...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: IBM to buy RedHat
At 08:49 2018-11-07, Ted Roche wrote: On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 11:18 AM Ed Leafe wrote: > Hey, I guess it could happen. ;-) Past history is no guarantee of future performance. OTOH, there is that line about insanity. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/d88431f583dbd8616354e43c00b1bee5@mtlp83 ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: IBM to buy RedHat
On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 11:18 AM Ed Leafe wrote: > > Hey, I guess it could happen. ;-) > > Past history is no guarantee of future performance. -- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/cacw6n4uf99cnp2m2cctjo3vfwgf3fek-3on2okywoo584tp...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: IBM to buy RedHat
> He’s basically updating the “Apple buys NeXT” story from the mid-90s. Apple was > much bigger and better known, but was having some financial woes after some > management mis-steps. Within a couple of years, nearly every Apple exec was > gone, replaced by people from NeXT. The Mac OS was replaced by NeXTSTEP, > which was re-christened as OS X. Wasn't one of those people at NeXT Steve Jobs? It's much easier to transform the culture when you were instrumental in originally establishing it. > Hey, I guess it could happen. ;-) It could, but it seems unlikely that a culture as entrenched as the one at IBM will suddenly flip, for better or worse. I would imagine that mainframe salespeople will still be in their blue suits when pushing big iron to other corporate behemoths. -Jerry --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/caksnnohplmveq5lykk7k_p_+kfoqkdhsp4vgcsuast16smn...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: IBM to buy RedHat
On Oct 31, 2018, at 4:06 PM, Ted Roche wrote: > > For another out-from-left-field view of the situation, consider: "Red Hat > takes over IBM:" > > https://www.cringely.com/2018/10/29/red-hat-takes-over-ibm He’s basically updating the “Apple buys NeXT” story from the mid-90s. Apple was much bigger and better known, but was having some financial woes after some management mis-steps. Within a couple of years, nearly every Apple exec was gone, replaced by people from NeXT. The Mac OS was replaced by NeXTSTEP, which was re-christened as OS X. Hey, I guess it could happen. ;-) -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/2fbd3c46-dbe5-4c71-be49-8b7300be3...@leafe.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: IBM to buy RedHat
On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 5:06 AM Ted Roche wrote: > > For another out-from-left-field view of the situation, consider: "Red Hat > takes over IBM:" > > https://www.cringely.com/2018/10/29/red-hat-takes-over-ibm > Caldera OpenLinux and SCO Xenix? :) No... IBM is a lot bigger and IBM mainframes are still the backbone of banking systems and Fintech. -- .~. Might, Courage, Vision. SINCERITY! / v \ 64-bit Fedora 25 Server Spin /( _ )\ http://sites.google.com/site/changmw ^ ^ May the Force and farces be with you! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAGv=MJBwq4dpjRQn_aWe=+zO-FH+FyfX6nyY_3m=ny2o1at...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: IBM to buy RedHat
For another out-from-left-field view of the situation, consider: "Red Hat takes over IBM:" https://www.cringely.com/2018/10/29/red-hat-takes-over-ibm On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 9:02 AM Kevin J Cully wrote: > Check out this vlog by Bryan Lunduke on the IBM purchase of Red Hat. He > has some interesting insights. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puMRgrP5IR8 > > -Original Message- > From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 10:06 AM > To: ProFox Mailing List > Subject: Re: IBM to buy RedHat > > On Oct 29, 2018, at 8:24 AM, Kevin J Cully wrote: > > > > On one side, I think this adds legitimacy to Linux operating in business > here in the USA, which hasn't seemed to publicly be Linux friendly up to > this point. On the other hand, all they mention is the RedHat cloud > services. I'd like to see more Linux in businesses from the desktop to the > servers to the cloud. > > Most of IBM’s customers are big enterprises, and a very high percentage of > them run Linux. Most prefer RHEL, since that comes with support. One of the > tasks my team is working on is making sure that RH products run as well on > IBM Power systems as they do on x86 systems, so that IBM can sell more > hardware. > > > -- Ed Leafe > > > > > > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/cacw6n4uh-2pv-jp-uxhw6fvtzqwnuqp7ip8havnezp+qldn...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: IBM to buy RedHat
Check out this vlog by Bryan Lunduke on the IBM purchase of Red Hat. He has some interesting insights. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puMRgrP5IR8 -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 10:06 AM To: ProFox Mailing List Subject: Re: IBM to buy RedHat On Oct 29, 2018, at 8:24 AM, Kevin J Cully wrote: > > On one side, I think this adds legitimacy to Linux operating in business here > in the USA, which hasn't seemed to publicly be Linux friendly up to this > point. On the other hand, all they mention is the RedHat cloud services. > I'd like to see more Linux in businesses from the desktop to the servers to > the cloud. Most of IBM’s customers are big enterprises, and a very high percentage of them run Linux. Most prefer RHEL, since that comes with support. One of the tasks my team is working on is making sure that RH products run as well on IBM Power systems as they do on x86 systems, so that IBM can sell more hardware. -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1cfefe74-3ae5-4c50-9342-31900640b...@leafe.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/sn6pr0901mb252691f5aecbd7a81a5a854bc5...@sn6pr0901mb2526.namprd09.prod.outlook.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: IBM to buy RedHat
On Oct 29, 2018, at 8:24 AM, Kevin J Cully wrote: > > On one side, I think this adds legitimacy to Linux operating in business here > in the USA, which hasn't seemed to publicly be Linux friendly up to this > point. On the other hand, all they mention is the RedHat cloud services. > I'd like to see more Linux in businesses from the desktop to the servers to > the cloud. Most of IBM’s customers are big enterprises, and a very high percentage of them run Linux. Most prefer RHEL, since that comes with support. One of the tasks my team is working on is making sure that RH products run as well on IBM Power systems as they do on x86 systems, so that IBM can sell more hardware. -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1cfefe74-3ae5-4c50-9342-31900640b...@leafe.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: IBM to buy RedHat
Yes, I was a bit disappointed to hear the news. I always held up RedHat as a champion of Linux and as a successful business model riding on top of open source offerings. I like that. I would guess I'd say that I have guarded optimism. Unfortunately I think this is IBM's ball to fumble. On one side, I think this adds legitimacy to Linux operating in business here in the USA, which hasn't seemed to publicly be Linux friendly up to this point. On the other hand, all they mention is the RedHat cloud services. I'd like to see more Linux in businesses from the desktop to the servers to the cloud. We'll see what happens. -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 8:50 AM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: OT: IBM to buy RedHat I suppose it could be worse: it could have been Computer Associates. Or Oracle, or HP or *shudder* Microsoft.. Reactions over the weekend have mostly been dread from the employees, who of course, can't be sure what happens next. This was, reportedly, the largest software acquisition ever, at $34 Billion dollars. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. -- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/sn6pr0901mb2526d525131f850bdaa20e71c5...@sn6pr0901mb2526.namprd09.prod.outlook.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
