RE: VFP Service

2018-03-16 Thread Tracy Pearson
An age ago, I researched, and wrote an FLL to allow a VFP program to become
a service.
VFP is not multithreaded, so having multiple things attempt to access it
didn't work out for me.
I changed it to be a C# service that uses multiple instances of a VFP COM
object.

A service is a nice idea, it can run even when a user hasn't logged in to
the system. It can be installed through an installer.
A scheduled task, does a lot of the same things. I don't know that it can be
setup via an installer.

For an in house project I have the network admin setup a scheduled task.
For production products we ship, it's C#.

YMMV,
Tracy

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Thanks Dave I have quickly tried the NSSM utility Alan mentioned and it
works a treat as a replacement for SRVANY but I will check out the Always Up
app as it sounds interesting.

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Subject: RE: VFP Service

Chris,
The "Always Up" app mentioned at the bottom of the article is good and we
have used it to run some VFP services accessing Exchange which were
previously written in C#.

Dave Crozier
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Subject: VFP Service

Hi All

In the past I have followed this article

https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/calvin_hsia/2004/12/13/creating-a-vfp-appli
cation-as-a-service/

Does anyone have any advice about how to approach this on Server 2016 as I
believe SRVANY is no longer an option.

Regards

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RE: VFP Service

2018-03-13 Thread Chris Davis
Thanks Dave I have quickly tried the NSSM utility Alan mentioned and it works a 
treat as a replacement for SRVANY but I will check out the Always Up app as it 
sounds interesting.

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Subject: RE: VFP Service

Chris,
The "Always Up" app mentioned at the bottom of the article is good and we have 
used it to run some VFP services accessing Exchange which were previously 
written in C#.

Dave Crozier
Software Development Manager
Flexipol Packaging Ltd.



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Subject: VFP Service

Hi All

In the past I have followed this article

https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/calvin_hsia/2004/12/13/creating-a-vfp-application-as-a-service/

Does anyone have any advice about how to approach this on Server 2016 as I 
believe SRVANY is no longer an option.

Regards

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RE: VFP Service

2018-03-13 Thread Dave Crozier
Chris,
The "Always Up" app mentioned at the bottom of the article is good and we have 
used it to run some VFP services accessing Exchange which were previously 
written in C#.

Dave Crozier
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by the seller to the buyer for which payment is then due. Until such time as 
the property in the goods passes to the buyer, the buyer shall hold the goods 
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time

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From: ProFox  On Behalf Of Chris Davis
Sent: 13 March 2018 12:33
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: VFP Service

Hi All

In the past I have followed this article

https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/calvin_hsia/2004/12/13/creating-a-vfp-application-as-a-service/

Does anyone have any advice about how to approach this on Server 2016 as I 
believe SRVANY is no longer an option.

Regards

Chris


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RE: VFP Service

2018-03-13 Thread Dave Crozier
Chris,
This may be of help:

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3582108/create-windows-service-from-executable

Dave Crozier
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by the seller to the buyer for which payment is then due. Until such time as 
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as the seller's fiduciary agent and bailee and keep the goods separate from 
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time

-Original Message-
From: ProFox  On Behalf Of Chris Davis
Sent: 13 March 2018 12:33
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: VFP Service

Hi All

In the past I have followed this article

https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/calvin_hsia/2004/12/13/creating-a-vfp-application-as-a-service/

Does anyone have any advice about how to approach this on Server 2016 as I 
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Regards

Chris


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RE: VFP Service

2018-03-13 Thread Chris Davis
Thanks Alan I will give it a try, NSSM that is not .NET 😊



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Well I'd approach it via the right tool for the right job, i.e. .NET :)

However there are other things like NSSM (http://nssm.cc/) that would probably 
work fine - this tool in particular was last updated mid-2017 so seems to still 
be active and should work on Server 2016.

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Re: VFP Service

2018-03-13 Thread Alan Bourke
Well I'd approach it via the right tool for the right job, i.e. .NET :)

However there are other things like NSSM (http://nssm.cc/) that would probably 
work fine - this tool in particular was last updated mid-2017 so seems to still 
be active and should work on Server 2016.

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Re: VFP Service Pack 2

2007-10-15 Thread Paul Newton
Allen wrote:
> Hi Paul
> I saw that afetr I wrote the reply. A problem of time zones I think :)
> I can understand the point of view that it is important for these classes to
> work. I did in fact offer my registry class update to the fox team but was
> ignored. I suppose with later developments in that VFP is now  adrift in a
> liferaft with no land in sight, its not really an issue but I do agree that
> if the VFP team had wanted to get new people on board, the classes should
> work. It does make you wonder if anyone actualy tests the classes sometimes.
> Important for a newbie looking for a quick start. But I dont suppose there
> will be any newbies now. Pity.
>   
Allen

I am so glad that I am not completely alone in my POV !  I exchanged 
mails while back about about the (VFP6) mover class having a bug (it 
still worked) where the lists where not being properly sorted.  Again I 
fixed this for myself and it was in fact corrected by VFP9 !

Paul Newton
> Allen
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Paul Newton
> Allen
>
> The recent couple of mails exchanged between Rick Schummer and myself say it
> all - from different viewpoints .  My main complaint is that you cannot
> RUN the sample as is - not using it on your own form - just running the
> sample form (the same form is used as the sample for all the mover classes)
> causes a crash when opening a table using the ellipsis button on the first
> page.
>
> Rick and I independently solved the problem which is due to a couple of
> extra, unneeded parameters being used with ASCAN in the OpenTable method in
> the _tablemover class.
>
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RE: VFP Service Pack 2

2007-10-15 Thread Allen
Hi Paul
I saw that afetr I wrote the reply. A problem of time zones I think :)
I can understand the point of view that it is important for these classes to
work. I did in fact offer my registry class update to the fox team but was
ignored. I suppose with later developments in that VFP is now  adrift in a
liferaft with no land in sight, its not really an issue but I do agree that
if the VFP team had wanted to get new people on board, the classes should
work. It does make you wonder if anyone actualy tests the classes sometimes.
Important for a newbie looking for a quick start. But I dont suppose there
will be any newbies now. Pity.
Allen

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Allen

The recent couple of mails exchanged between Rick Schummer and myself say it
all - from different viewpoints .  My main complaint is that you cannot
RUN the sample as is - not using it on your own form - just running the
sample form (the same form is used as the sample for all the mover classes)
causes a crash when opening a table using the ellipsis button on the first
page.

Rick and I independently solved the problem which is due to a couple of
extra, unneeded parameters being used with ASCAN in the OpenTable method in
the _tablemover class.

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Re: VFP Service Pack 2

2007-10-15 Thread Paul Newton
Allen

The recent couple of mails exchanged between Rick Schummer and myself 
say it all - from different viewpoints .  My main complaint is that 
you cannot RUN the sample as is - not using it on your own form - just 
running the sample form (the same form is used as the sample for all the 
mover classes) causes a crash when opening a table using the ellipsis 
button on the first page.

Rick and I independently solved the problem which is due to a couple of 
extra, unneeded parameters being used with ASCAN in the OpenTable method 
in the _tablemover class.

Paul Newton

Allen wrote:
> Thats one thing about the classes. Many of them dont work right but can be
> fixed. The registry class was half done in my eyes but can be completed ok.
> I have mine to work with numbers and binary now. I have used the mover in
> VFP5 and it worked fine. What exactly is the problem.
> Allen
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Rick Schummer
> Sent: 14 October 2007 19:36
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: VFP Service Pack 2
>
> Paul,
>
>   
>>> All I know is that the mover sample STILL does not work !!<<
>>>   
>
> I am not exactly aware of what problem you are referring to, but all the
> source is there for the various solution samples and Fox Foundation Classes
> (FFC). If there is something not working the way you expect or want it, fix
> it. I doubt this was a huge priority for the Fox Team. They worked on the
> core. You can work on the Xbase code.
>
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RE: VFP Service Pack 2

2007-10-15 Thread Allen
Thats one thing about the classes. Many of them dont work right but can be
fixed. The registry class was half done in my eyes but can be completed ok.
I have mine to work with numbers and binary now. I have used the mover in
VFP5 and it worked fine. What exactly is the problem.
Allen

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Behalf Of Rick Schummer
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: VFP Service Pack 2

Paul,

>> All I know is that the mover sample STILL does not work !!<<

I am not exactly aware of what problem you are referring to, but all the
source is there for the various solution samples and Fox Foundation Classes
(FFC). If there is something not working the way you expect or want it, fix
it. I doubt this was a huge priority for the Fox Team. They worked on the
core. You can work on the Xbase code.

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RE: VFP Service Pack 2

2007-10-14 Thread Rick Schummer
>>> Sure Paul, as a developer you should definitely expect every piece of 
> software and source code that ships to be 100% bug free.
Do I detect a note of sarcasm or is it mere disdain on your part ?<<

Sarcasm of course.


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Re: VFP Service Pack 2

2007-10-14 Thread Paul Newton
Rick

Rick Schummer wrote:
> The problem here is you did not report reproducible steps. You forgot
> to mention that I needed to drop the "Table Mover" (not any mover, they do 
> not all have ellipse
> buttons) on a form, run the form, then click on the ellipse button. 
I did not report that because you don't have to do that - all you have 
to do is right click...sample...run !  I said that the sample did not 
work - I said nothing about trying to use the sample on my own form.
> As a software developer you
> should really understand the need for determining the exact steps to 
> reproduce.
>
> I did get this error and was able to reproduce the problem you are suggesting 
> is catastrophically
> broken. 
>
> 
> Sure Paul, as a developer you should definitely expect every piece of 
> software and source code that
> ships to be 100% bug free. 
Do I detect a note of sarcasm or is it mere disdain on your part ?
> You should also know this is an impractical possibility. You should know
> that even the most critical of core software running on your machine is not 
> perfect. And people who
> write code should know better than to throw stones at other developers 
> because they found a bug in
> their code. Life does not work that way. Unfortunately humans write the code 
> and humans are
> imperfect.
I really didn't know that, Rick.  Thank you for enlightening me.
> My clients know I am human and I make mistakes. They also know I take 
> responsibility and fix my
> mistakes when they happen. I don't pretend to know it all, I don't pretend to 
> do everything the
> correct way.
>   
Same here.
> You surely have the right to be miffed. But I look at it differently. I look 
> at this as a learning
> opportunity. Most FoxPro developers I know look toward the foundation as a 
> starting base for ideas
> and then build their own classes. I know it is easy to consider the FFC and 
> the provided framework
> as the complete tool to build applications, but the fact is, most of the 
> developers I know see it
> only as a learning tool to gain a better understanding of how VFP works. Then 
> they move on to their
> own framework, or get one of the commercially available ones. I also know 
> people who use the FFC
> classes right out of the box. Different strokes for different folks.
I tend to use them both ways - as is, if they are suitable - and if not 
entirely suitable then, as you say, as a starting point for developing 
my own class.

We will obviously never agree on my original complaint but it has been 
an interesting exchange and I thank you again for going to the trouble 
of helping to find the solution

Best regards

Paul Newton




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RE: VFP Service Pack 2

2007-10-14 Thread John Harvey
I think Rick has a point. I once used the foundation class to write a fairly
simple app, and it was a learning experience. I learned that you should only
use those to steal code from!

John


=
Rick

Thank you for your comprehensive (I think that's the word) reply.  By 
the time I received it I had already solved the problem (in about 10 
minutes )

I still feel sorry for the VFP neophyte(s) who may have come across the 
problem and probably would have had some difficulty in solving it.

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Re: VFP Service Pack 2

2007-10-14 Thread Paul Newton
Rick

Thank you for your comprehensive (I think that's the word) reply.  By 
the time I received it I had already solved the problem (in about 10 
minutes )

I still feel sorry for the VFP neophyte(s) who may have come across the 
problem and probably would have had some difficulty in solving it.

Paul Newton


Rick Schummer wrote:
>>> If I go to Component Gallery...Foundatiion classes...User controls and 
>>>   
> pick any of the "Mover" classes and then on the first tab click the 
> ellipsis button to open a free table, choose a table then  I 
> consistently get an error # 1234 in opentable (26): Subscript is outside 
> defined range.<<
>
> I am sure if you reported this error to Microsoft they would have made it a 
> low priority fix because
> it is source code you can fix. The problem here is you did not report 
> reproducible steps. You forgot
> to mention that I needed to drop the "Table Mover" (not any mover, they do 
> not all have ellipse
> buttons) on a form, run the form, then click on the ellipse button. As a 
> software developer you
> should really understand the need for determining the exact steps to 
> reproduce.
>
> I did get this error and was able to reproduce the problem you are suggesting 
> is catastrophically
> broken. 
>
>   
>>> This is not something "not working the way I expect it or want it" - it 
>>>   
> is simply not working.  It is shoddy - would your clients accept work 
> like that ?  Why is it wrong of me to expect it to work ?  Should I 
> really have to fix something like that myself.<<
>
> Sure Paul, as a developer you should definitely expect every piece of 
> software and source code that
> ships to be 100% bug free. You should also know this is an impractical 
> possibility. You should know
> that even the most critical of core software running on your machine is not 
> perfect. And people who
> write code should know better than to throw stones at other developers 
> because they found a bug in
> their code. Life does not work that way. Unfortunately humans write the code 
> and humans are
> imperfect. 
>
> My clients know I am human and I make mistakes. They also know I take 
> responsibility and fix my
> mistakes when they happen. I don't pretend to know it all, I don't pretend to 
> do everything the
> correct way.
>
> Fortunately this is not a core EXE function or problem. This can be fixed. 
> This fix is easy and you
> have everything you need to fix it. I don't know you Paul. Are you a software 
> developer? Most
> (obviously not ALL) software developers could have taken the 15 minutes to 
> figure this out. I timed
> it. Even after fighting through your missing steps this took me less than 15 
> minutes. The email back
> too longer.
>
> If you want this fixed follow my instructions:
> 1) Open up the _TableMover class in the Class Designer (you can use the Class 
> Browser, Component
> Gallery, ToolBox, or Command Window to do so, use whatever method is your 
> preference).
> 2) Open up the OpenTable method in the code editor.
> 3) Find all three lines of code with ASCAN().
> 4) On each of these lines the last two parameters (1, 3) are not necessary. 
> You can remove them from
> all three lines of code with the ASCAN(). I'll let you do the editing to your 
> coding standards. I
> would ship you the code, but you might learn more by editing the code 
> yourself.
>
> Test, debug if necessary, repeat.
>
> This is the great thing about Fox, you have all the tools and source to fix 
> the FFC and Solution
> Sample classes.
>
>   
>>> Maybe if they called them "sample classes", or "tutorial classes" or 
>>>   
> whatever I wouldn't be so miffed.  But "foundation" classes are surely 
> something on which you can, or should be able to, build.  That's what 
> foundations are !<<
>
> You surely have the right to be miffed. But I look at it differently. I look 
> at this as a learning
> opportunity. Most FoxPro developers I know look toward the foundation as a 
> starting base for ideas
> and then build their own classes. I know it is easy to consider the FFC and 
> the provided framework
> as the complete tool to build applications, but the fact is, most of the 
> developers I know see it
> only as a learning tool to gain a better understanding of how VFP works. Then 
> they move on to their
> own framework, or get one of the commercially available ones. I also know 
> people who use the FFC
> classes right out of the box. Different strokes for different folks.
>
> Rick
> White Light Computing, Inc.
>
> www.whitelightcomputing.com
> www.swfox.net
> www.rickschummer.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: VFP Service Pack 2

2007-10-14 Thread Rick Schummer
>> If I go to Component Gallery...Foundatiion classes...User controls and 
pick any of the "Mover" classes and then on the first tab click the 
ellipsis button to open a free table, choose a table then  I 
consistently get an error # 1234 in opentable (26): Subscript is outside 
defined range.<<

I am sure if you reported this error to Microsoft they would have made it a low 
priority fix because
it is source code you can fix. The problem here is you did not report 
reproducible steps. You forgot
to mention that I needed to drop the "Table Mover" (not any mover, they do not 
all have ellipse
buttons) on a form, run the form, then click on the ellipse button. As a 
software developer you
should really understand the need for determining the exact steps to reproduce.

I did get this error and was able to reproduce the problem you are suggesting 
is catastrophically
broken. 

>>This is not something "not working the way I expect it or want it" - it 
is simply not working.  It is shoddy - would your clients accept work 
like that ?  Why is it wrong of me to expect it to work ?  Should I 
really have to fix something like that myself.<<

Sure Paul, as a developer you should definitely expect every piece of software 
and source code that
ships to be 100% bug free. You should also know this is an impractical 
possibility. You should know
that even the most critical of core software running on your machine is not 
perfect. And people who
write code should know better than to throw stones at other developers because 
they found a bug in
their code. Life does not work that way. Unfortunately humans write the code 
and humans are
imperfect. 

My clients know I am human and I make mistakes. They also know I take 
responsibility and fix my
mistakes when they happen. I don't pretend to know it all, I don't pretend to 
do everything the
correct way.

Fortunately this is not a core EXE function or problem. This can be fixed. This 
fix is easy and you
have everything you need to fix it. I don't know you Paul. Are you a software 
developer? Most
(obviously not ALL) software developers could have taken the 15 minutes to 
figure this out. I timed
it. Even after fighting through your missing steps this took me less than 15 
minutes. The email back
too longer.

If you want this fixed follow my instructions:
1) Open up the _TableMover class in the Class Designer (you can use the Class 
Browser, Component
Gallery, ToolBox, or Command Window to do so, use whatever method is your 
preference).
2) Open up the OpenTable method in the code editor.
3) Find all three lines of code with ASCAN().
4) On each of these lines the last two parameters (1, 3) are not necessary. You 
can remove them from
all three lines of code with the ASCAN(). I'll let you do the editing to your 
coding standards. I
would ship you the code, but you might learn more by editing the code yourself.

Test, debug if necessary, repeat.

This is the great thing about Fox, you have all the tools and source to fix the 
FFC and Solution
Sample classes.

>>Maybe if they called them "sample classes", or "tutorial classes" or 
whatever I wouldn't be so miffed.  But "foundation" classes are surely 
something on which you can, or should be able to, build.  That's what 
foundations are !<<

You surely have the right to be miffed. But I look at it differently. I look at 
this as a learning
opportunity. Most FoxPro developers I know look toward the foundation as a 
starting base for ideas
and then build their own classes. I know it is easy to consider the FFC and the 
provided framework
as the complete tool to build applications, but the fact is, most of the 
developers I know see it
only as a learning tool to gain a better understanding of how VFP works. Then 
they move on to their
own framework, or get one of the commercially available ones. I also know 
people who use the FFC
classes right out of the box. Different strokes for different folks.

Rick
White Light Computing, Inc.

www.whitelightcomputing.com
www.swfox.net
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RE: VFP Service Pack 2

2007-10-14 Thread John Weller

> This is expected to ship real soon now. There are also some
> enhancements to the Report Designer and
> the extensibility included in the VFP 9 SP2 release (just to show
> you the Fox Team is still up to
> their own tricks again). If you want to learn more about the
> changes head over to Spacefold.com and
> look for Lisa Slater Nichols and Colin Nichol's screen cast video
> on the topic.
>
>

That is awesome - I wish I understood it better.  I've still not got my head
round what a ReportListener actually is.  I've got the What's New books so
I'll try re-reading those.

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RE: VFP Service Pack 2

2007-10-14 Thread John Weller
Hi Rick,

Many thanks for that.  I now realise I was confusing SP2 and Sedna.  I know
Sedna has some enhancements and assumed that SP2 and Sedna were the same
thing, obviously not!  Doh!!!

I'll send out new runtimes to my clients when I next send them a mod,
fortunately (or unfortunately) I don't have many .

Thanks again.


John Weller
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rick Schummer
> Sent: 14 October 2007 18:36
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: VFP Service Pack 2
>
>
> John,
>
> >> I've seen the bug list that SP2 fixes but does it give any new
> features?<<
>
> Most service packs only fix bugs. They normally do not introduce
> features. The Fox Team has been a
> huge violator of this principle in the past, which may be the
> cause of your frustration with this
> service pack. If you read anything posted by Microsoft on the
> topic of VFP 9 SP2 you would know that
> the goal was to kill as many issues as possible, and from the
> Microsoft perspective the core product
> is feature complete. The release of Sedna does include numerous
> enhancements and features to VFP 9.
> This is expected to ship real soon now. There are also some
> enhancements to the Report Designer and
> the extensibility included in the VFP 9 SP2 release (just to show
> you the Fox Team is still up to
> their own tricks again). If you want to learn more about the
> changes head over to Spacefold.com and
> look for Lisa Slater Nichols and Colin Nichol's screen cast video
> on the topic.
>
> As to releasing a VFP app without synchronized run-times: when
> was this ever a good idea? If you
> want the app to perform the same in the run-time environment as
> it does in the development
> environment - then you should synchronize the run-times.
> Otherwise release at your own risk and at
> the risk of ticking off your customers. The new run-times have
> all the new fixes released in the
> service pack.
>
>
> Rick
> White Light Computing, Inc.
>
> www.whitelightcomputing.com
> www.swfox.net
> www.rickschummer.com
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: VFP Service Pack 2

2007-10-14 Thread Paul Newton
Rick Schummer wrote:
> Paul,
>
>   
>>> All I know is that the mover sample STILL does not work !!<<
>>>   
>
> I am not exactly aware of what problem you are referring to, but all the 
> source is there for the
> various solution samples and Fox Foundation Classes (FFC). If there is 
> something not working the way
> you expect or want it, fix it. 

If I go to Component Gallery...Foundatiion classes...User controls and 
pick any of the "Mover" classes and then on the first tab click the 
ellipsis button to open a free table, choose a table then  I 
consistently get an error # 1234 in opentable (26): Subscript is outside 
defined range.

This is not something "not working the way I expect it or want it" - it 
is simply not working.  It is shoddy - would your clients accept work 
like that ?  Why is it wrong of me to expect it to work ?  Should I 
really have to fix something like that myself.

When the VFP6 mover didn't work as I expected (it DID work), I fixed it 
- an earlier thread was the subject of my findings.

Maybe if they called them "sample classes", or "tutorial classes" or 
whatever I wouldn't be so miffed.  But "foundation" classes are surely 
something on which you can, or should be able to, build.  That's what 
foundations are !

Paul Newton

> I doubt this was a huge priority for the Fox Team. They worked on the
> core. You can work on the Xbase code.
>
> Rick
> White Light Computing, Inc.
>
> www.whitelightcomputing.com
> www.swfox.net
> www.rickschummer.com
>
>
>
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RE: VFP Service Pack 2

2007-10-14 Thread Rick Schummer
John,

>> I've seen the bug list that SP2 fixes but does it give any new features?<<

Most service packs only fix bugs. They normally do not introduce features. The 
Fox Team has been a
huge violator of this principle in the past, which may be the cause of your 
frustration with this
service pack. If you read anything posted by Microsoft on the topic of VFP 9 
SP2 you would know that
the goal was to kill as many issues as possible, and from the Microsoft 
perspective the core product
is feature complete. The release of Sedna does include numerous enhancements 
and features to VFP 9.
This is expected to ship real soon now. There are also some enhancements to the 
Report Designer and
the extensibility included in the VFP 9 SP2 release (just to show you the Fox 
Team is still up to
their own tricks again). If you want to learn more about the changes head over 
to Spacefold.com and
look for Lisa Slater Nichols and Colin Nichol's screen cast video on the topic.

As to releasing a VFP app without synchronized run-times: when was this ever a 
good idea? If you
want the app to perform the same in the run-time environment as it does in the 
development
environment - then you should synchronize the run-times. Otherwise release at 
your own risk and at
the risk of ticking off your customers. The new run-times have all the new 
fixes released in the
service pack.


Rick
White Light Computing, Inc.

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RE: VFP Service Pack 2

2007-10-14 Thread Rick Schummer
Paul,

>> All I know is that the mover sample STILL does not work !!<<

I am not exactly aware of what problem you are referring to, but all the source 
is there for the
various solution samples and Fox Foundation Classes (FFC). If there is 
something not working the way
you expect or want it, fix it. I doubt this was a huge priority for the Fox 
Team. They worked on the
core. You can work on the Xbase code.

Rick
White Light Computing, Inc.

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Re: VFP Service Pack 2

2007-10-14 Thread Paul Newton
All I know is that the mover sample STILL does not work !!

Paul Newton

John Weller wrote:
> I've seen the bug list that SP2 fixes but does it give any new features?  I
> know there was some talk of .NET functionality.  I've looked at the download
> page but can't see any list of new features.  I'm also concerned that if I
> install it and then make a change to an existing app and distribute the new
> exe without the new run-time libraries it may crash.  Is it worth the risk?
> Comments welcomed.
>
> John Weller
> 01380 723235
> 07976 393631
>
>   
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen
>> Sent: 12 October 2007 10:06
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: RE: VFP Service Pack 2
>>
>>
>> I got it earlier but I am wondering if to put it on. I do have
>> vista clients
>> but only one thank goodness. But the main query is, if I develope in SP2
>> what happens when the new exe goes out to SP1 sites?
>> Anyone done it. I know its only just appeared. :)
>> Allen
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Michael Hawksworth
>> Sent: 12 October 2007 09:58
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: VFP Service Pack 2
>>
>>
>>
>> This has now been released.
>>
>>
>>
>> No virus found in this outgoing message.
>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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>> 15:09
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
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RE: VFP Service Pack 2

2007-10-14 Thread John Weller
Ah, but silly me - surely there can't be *any* risk with a M$ product?


John Weller
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Sent: 14 October 2007 15:58
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: VFP Service Pack 2
>
>
> worth the risk ?
> thats the question I asked. And also why I have not put it on yet.
> Allen
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Behalf Of John Weller
> Sent: 14 October 2007 16:52
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: VFP Service Pack 2
>
> I've seen the bug list that SP2 fixes but does it give any new
> features?  I
> know there was some talk of .NET functionality.  I've looked at
> the download
> page but can't see any list of new features.  I'm also concerned that if I
> install it and then make a change to an existing app and
> distribute the new
> exe without the new run-time libraries it may crash.  Is it worth
> the risk?
> Comments welcomed.
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RE: VFP Service Pack 2

2007-10-14 Thread Allen
worth the risk ?
thats the question I asked. And also why I have not put it on yet.
Allen

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I've seen the bug list that SP2 fixes but does it give any new features?  I
know there was some talk of .NET functionality.  I've looked at the download
page but can't see any list of new features.  I'm also concerned that if I
install it and then make a change to an existing app and distribute the new
exe without the new run-time libraries it may crash.  Is it worth the risk?
Comments welcomed.

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RE: VFP Service Pack 2

2007-10-14 Thread John Weller
I've seen the bug list that SP2 fixes but does it give any new features?  I
know there was some talk of .NET functionality.  I've looked at the download
page but can't see any list of new features.  I'm also concerned that if I
install it and then make a change to an existing app and distribute the new
exe without the new run-time libraries it may crash.  Is it worth the risk?
Comments welcomed.

John Weller
01380 723235
07976 393631

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>
> I got it earlier but I am wondering if to put it on. I do have
> vista clients
> but only one thank goodness. But the main query is, if I develope in SP2
> what happens when the new exe goes out to SP1 sites?
> Anyone done it. I know its only just appeared. :)
> Allen
>
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>
>
> This has now been released.
>
>
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RE: VFP Service Pack 2

2007-10-12 Thread Allen
I got it earlier but I am wondering if to put it on. I do have vista clients
but only one thank goodness. But the main query is, if I develope in SP2
what happens when the new exe goes out to SP1 sites?
Anyone done it. I know its only just appeared. :)
Allen 

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This has now been released.

 

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Re: VFP Service Pack 2

2007-10-12 Thread Alan Bourke
W00t!

Finally - code completion inside WITH ... ENDWITH !!


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> This has now been released.
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> Regards
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