Re: [PEDA] flipping board - 'X' does not work with components.
On 06:53 PM 9/10/2002 -0700, Rick Wilson (Protta) said: >Ian, > >I'll send you a copy of the Surface Mount board that I performed the >steps I mentioned in my e-mail to Jun and it >Will work find, and it can be manufactured. Please do. I just tried it again on a test. Select and copy components, paste special/duplicate designators, hit 'X' (and yes top warning) and then 'L' to flip layer. Result: Bottom layer SO-14 with pin 1 and 14 at the top has pin 1 on the left. Not manufacturable. Maybe I have missed a step, but I am afraid I can't see how you are not ending up trying to mount the components upsidedown. JaMi's process (different from yours as it does not do the 'L', but does other steps) works. I can't see how yours does. I would love to know. Bye for now, Ian Wilson >Best Regards, >== >Richard "Rick" J. Wilson - Owner >PROTTA >Professional Technical Training Associates >(916) 941-1185 - Office/Fax >(916) 955-0083 - Mobile >visit our web site at www.protta.com >== > > > > >-Original Message- >From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 4:43 PM >To: Protel EDA Forum >Subject: Re: [PEDA] flipping board - 'X' does not work with components. > > >On 03:41 PM 9/10/2002 -0700, Rick Wilson (Protta) said: > >Jun, > > > >Flipping a PCB in Protel 99SE can't not be done with a single push of a > > >button, But it's not that hard to do. It's really only a 4 or 5 step > >process and should take > >no more that 15 minutes to perform. > > > >You will need to do this in steps, but its much like converting Gerber > >files into real PCBs. > > > >If you first select all of your components, via global edit, then copy > >these off to the clipboard. To do this, pick a good reference point > >when you do the EDIT/COPY. You should then be able to paste these > >components down outside of the current design, let's say to > >The right side of your current PCB. But instead of using a standard > >paste, use Paste Special under the edit menu.- in this dialog, select > >Duplicate Designators only and disable all of the other options. > > > >Now perform the PASTE option at the bottom of the dialog and while you > >have the new selection attached to your cursor, (all of the components > >attached to your cursor), hit the "x" key to first mirror all of the > >components in the selection, now before you put them down, hit the "L" > >key to flip all components in the selection to the bottom layer. > >Rick, > >This leaves complex (anything other than trivial) components in an >unmanufacturable state. > >Do this with a SO/TQFP even a SOT-23 package and you will find that you >have to mount the chip upside down to make the pin numbers match. > >Have you ever built and tested a board where you have used the X key to >flip a component? > >A BGA would be mighty interesting! With smaller SO pkgs you can mount >it >upsidedown and force the leads down - at least for the botched >prototype. Not so easy on the botched proto with a BGA. > >Ian Wilson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] flipping board - 'X' does not work with components.
Ian, I'll send you a copy of the Surface Mount board that I performed the steps I mentioned in my e-mail to Jun and it Will work find, and it can be manufactured. Best Regards, == Richard "Rick" J. Wilson - Owner PROTTA Professional Technical Training Associates (916) 941-1185 - Office/Fax (916) 955-0083 - Mobile visit our web site at www.protta.com == -Original Message- From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 4:43 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] flipping board - 'X' does not work with components. On 03:41 PM 9/10/2002 -0700, Rick Wilson (Protta) said: >Jun, > >Flipping a PCB in Protel 99SE can't not be done with a single push of a >button, But it's not that hard to do. It's really only a 4 or 5 step >process and should take >no more that 15 minutes to perform. > >You will need to do this in steps, but its much like converting Gerber >files into real PCBs. > >If you first select all of your components, via global edit, then copy >these off to the clipboard. To do this, pick a good reference point >when you do the EDIT/COPY. You should then be able to paste these >components down outside of the current design, let's say to >The right side of your current PCB. But instead of using a standard >paste, use Paste Special under the edit menu.- in this dialog, select >Duplicate Designators only and disable all of the other options. > >Now perform the PASTE option at the bottom of the dialog and while you >have the new selection attached to your cursor, (all of the components >attached to your cursor), hit the "x" key to first mirror all of the >components in the selection, now before you put them down, hit the "L" >key to flip all components in the selection to the bottom layer. Rick, This leaves complex (anything other than trivial) components in an unmanufacturable state. Do this with a SO/TQFP even a SOT-23 package and you will find that you have to mount the chip upside down to make the pin numbers match. Have you ever built and tested a board where you have used the X key to flip a component? A BGA would be mighty interesting! With smaller SO pkgs you can mount it upsidedown and force the leads down - at least for the botched prototype. Not so easy on the botched proto with a BGA. Ian Wilson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] flipping board - 'X' does not work with components.
On 03:41 PM 9/10/2002 -0700, Rick Wilson (Protta) said: >Jun, > >Flipping a PCB in Protel 99SE can't not be done with a single push of a >button, >But it's not that hard to do. It's really only a 4 or 5 step process and >should take >no more that 15 minutes to perform. > >You will need to do this in steps, but its much like converting Gerber >files into real PCBs. > >If you first select all of your components, via global edit, then copy >these off to the clipboard. To do this, pick a good reference point when >you do the EDIT/COPY. >You should then be able to paste these components down outside of the >current design, let's say to >The right side of your current PCB. But instead of using a standard >paste, use Paste Special under the edit menu.- in this dialog, select >Duplicate Designators only and disable all of the other options. > >Now perform the PASTE option at the bottom of the dialog and while you >have the new selection attached to your cursor, (all of the components >attached to your cursor), hit the "x" key to first mirror all of the >components in the selection, now before you put them down, hit the "L" >key to flip all components in the selection to the bottom layer. Rick, This leaves complex (anything other than trivial) components in an unmanufacturable state. Do this with a SO/TQFP even a SOT-23 package and you will find that you have to mount the chip upside down to make the pin numbers match. Have you ever built and tested a board where you have used the X key to flip a component? A BGA would be mighty interesting! With smaller SO pkgs you can mount it upsidedown and force the leads down - at least for the botched prototype. Not so easy on the botched proto with a BGA. Ian Wilson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
