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差出人: Kingsley Idehen [mailto:kide...@openlinksw.com]
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On 6/18/13 7:32 PM, エリクソン トーレ wrote:
An addendum to 1.:
1.1. However, useful* linked data will always be directly mappable to
RDF.
Put differently, you produce more useful Linked Data via RDF.
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Ted Thibodeau Jr tthibod...@openlinksw.com
wrote:
I'd like to see the results of a well-designed survey on the
subject
It's funny because all the people (only 3 counted so far) that are
complaining about the quality of the poll question, aren't coming up with
On 6/19/13 2:29 AM, エリクソン トーレ wrote:
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差出人: Kingsley Idehen [mailto:kide...@openlinksw.com]
送信日時: 2013年6月19日 10:25
On 6/18/13 7:32 PM, エリクソン トーレ wrote:
An addendum to 1.:
1.1. However, useful* linked data will always be directly mappable to
RDF.
Put differently, you produce
Kingsley and all, hello.
On 2013 Jun 19, at 12:06, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
The issues at hand are as follows:
1. Is RDF the only option for producing Linked Data that's 100% compliant
with TimBL's original meme?
2. Are RDF and Linked Data tightly or loosely coupled?
Those are good and
On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 23:32:42 +, エリクソン トーレ t-eriks...@so.taisho.co.jp said:
I would be interested in seeing some linked data that is
incompatible with RDF while still adhering to rules like using
global identifiers and typed links.
@prefix ex: http://example.org/
On 6/19/13 7:33 AM, Norman Gray wrote:
Kingsley and all, hello.
On 2013 Jun 19, at 12:06, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
The issues at hand are as follows:
1. Is RDF the only option for producing Linked Data that's 100% compliant with
TimBL's original meme?
2. Are RDF and Linked Data tightly or
Firstly, having now read the threads, I thank you all for a lot of very
interesting and thoughtful words.
Also, as best I can describe what I think, it seems that David Booth has
eloquently said much of what I would say.
I'm not sure if there are many people still reading these threads, but,
On 19/06/2013 13:06, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
The answers matter because the collective goal is getting more
end-users and developers on board, without being overbearing and
draconian. Basically, end-users and developers fall into the following
camps:
1. completely new to all the technical
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Barry Norton barry.nor...@ontotext.comwrote:
I'm all for an architectural/philosophical consideration of what Linked
Data is, but I don't think we're being sensitive to what the 1000+
subscribers of this list are mainly looking for, which is best practice and
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On 6/19/13 8:09 AM, Hugh Glaser wrote:
Firstly, having now read the threads, I thank you all for a lot of very
interesting and thoughtful words.
Also, as best I can describe what I think, it seems that David Booth has
eloquently said much of what I would say.
I'm not sure if there are many
On 19 June 2013 14:09, Hugh Glaser h...@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote:
Firstly, having now read the threads, I thank you all for a lot of very
interesting and thoughtful words.
Also, as best I can describe what I think, it seems that David Booth has
eloquently said much of what I would say.
I'm not
On 6/19/13 8:15 AM, Barry Norton wrote:
On 19/06/2013 13:06, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
The answers matter because the collective goal is getting more
end-users and developers on board, without being overbearing and
draconian. Basically, end-users and developers fall into the
following camps:
I guess I'm not the only one : I'm about to put a filter rule on my inbox
from public-lod AND (contains RDF and Linked Data) = trash
No one having a decent full-time job and normal life can have the bandwidth
(not even speaking of the will or interest) to follow those threads. It's
too bad
Hi Kingsley,
Some answers:
On 19 Jun 2013, at 13:33, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com wrote:
On 6/19/13 8:09 AM, Hugh Glaser wrote:
Firstly, having now read the threads, I thank you all for a lot of very
interesting and thoughtful words.
Also, as best I can describe what I think, it
It's like we have an International Relations list, filled with people who
seem like they are involved or interested in International Relations, and
yet all conversations turn into debates about what fonts to use for
Esperanto, or meta-debates about whether something counts as International
On 6/19/13 8:49 AM, Barry Norton wrote:
On 19/06/2013 13:40, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
[...] That's the complete opposite of a bottom-up narrative about
RDF/XML, RDFa, Turtle, JSON-LD etc.
I couldn't agree more. I do a lot of training on Linked Data, and many
audiences I'm faced with are
This email from Hugh for me is absolutely key and while this list naturally
talks about a range of theoretical issues (and definitions) I feel that it
needs to start coming to conclusions about how it gets from the theoretical
discussions to practical and sustainable (sustainability and
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Since you brought up the issue of bandwidth and not having adequate resources
to follow all threads I put the question out there for debate:
How do we create a useful set of tools for extracting useful information from
all the threads to which one subscribes and have this presented for download
Excellent, now we can create an exhaustive landscape of mathematically and
logically homomorph and isomorph definitions of linked data.
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One thing that we're doing with EUCLID is to grab the RSS feed for the
W3C lists and tag them with a SKOS version of the topics in our
curriculum and expose this as SPARQL.
Barry
On 19/06/2013 16:41, ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program wrote:
Since you brought up the issue of bandwidth and not
On 6/19/13 11:47 AM, Barry Norton wrote:
One thing that we're doing with EUCLID is to grab the RSS feed for the
W3C lists and tag them with a SKOS version of the topics in our
curriculum and expose this as SPARQL.
Nice idea.
Is this accessible from your SPARQL endpoint? In addition, are
On 19 June 2013 14:44, Bernard Vatant bernard.vat...@mondeca.com wrote:
I guess I'm not the only one : I'm about to put a filter rule on my inbox
from public-lod AND (contains RDF and Linked Data) = trash
No one having a decent full-time job and normal life can have the
bandwidth (not even
Will be, and yes. (Incidentally, they're SIOC-represented, but that's
probably obvious).
Bit cagey as we've the project review this week, but more news will be
forthcoming.
Barry
On 19/06/2013 17:23, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
On 6/19/13 11:47 AM, Barry Norton wrote:
One thing that we're
Hi,
On 19/06/13 18:23, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
On 6/19/13 11:47 AM, Barry Norton wrote:
One thing that we're doing with EUCLID is to grab the RSS feed for the
W3C lists and tag them with a SKOS version of the topics in our
curriculum and expose this as SPARQL.
Nice idea.
Yes, really cool!
On 6/19/13 12:37 PM, Barry Norton wrote:
Will be, and yes. (Incidentally, they're SIOC-represented, but that's
probably obvious).
Bit cagey as we've the project review this week, but more news will be
forthcoming.
Great! Just share relevant links when you're ready, this is will be
ultra
On 06/19/2013 02:29 AM, エリクソン トーレ wrote:
My point was that even if the data producer doesn't know anything about
RDF, when applying the meme he will produce something that follows
the RDF abstract syntax. That is the strength of RDF and why I think
it is an intrinsic part of Linked Data.
+1
On Wed, 2013-06-19 at 14:44 +0200, Bernard Vatant wrote:
I guess I'm not the only one : I'm about to put a filter rule on my
inbox
from public-lod AND (contains RDF and Linked Data) = trash
well, i certainly won't...
On 06/19/2013 08:33 AM, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
Maybe subject of another thread, but this is your fundamental
assumption: every one that subscribes to this list assumes that Linked
Data and RDF are one and the same thing.
Kingsley, it has been REPEATEDLY pointed out to you that neither I nor
On 6/19/13 3:41 PM, David Booth wrote:
On 06/19/2013 02:29 AM, エリクソン トーレ wrote:
My point was that even if the data producer doesn't know anything about
RDF, when applying the meme he will produce something that follows
the RDF abstract syntax. That is the strength of RDF and why I think
it is
On 6/19/13 5:21 PM, David Booth wrote:
On 06/19/2013 08:33 AM, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
Maybe subject of another thread, but this is your fundamental
assumption: every one that subscribes to this list assumes that Linked
Data and RDF are one and the same thing.
Kingsley, it has been REPEATEDLY
On 6/19/13 5:36 PM, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
On 6/19/13 3:41 PM, David Booth wrote:
On 06/19/2013 02:29 AM, エリクソン トーレ wrote:
My point was that even if the data producer doesn't know anything about
RDF, when applying the meme he will produce something that follows
the RDF abstract syntax. That is
On 19 Jun 2013, at 22:36, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com wrote:
You are trying to shy away from inference and reasoning (key RDF features)
Inference and reasoning are not key features of RDF. I'm reasonably sure most
apache jena users aren't using reasoning engines, and they still
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 11:36 PM, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.comwrote:
You don't need to know anything about RDF to create and publish Linked
Data in line with TimBL's original Linked Data meme.
Can you please then setup a pool asking Does creating and publishing
Linked Data require
On 6/19/13 6:11 PM, Damian Steer wrote:
On 19 Jun 2013, at 22:36, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com wrote:
You are trying to shy away from inference and reasoning (key RDF features)
Inference and reasoning are not key features of RDF. I'm reasonably sure most
apache jena users aren't
On 6/19/13 6:22 PM, Luca Matteis wrote:
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 11:36 PM, Kingsley Idehen
kide...@openlinksw.com mailto:kide...@openlinksw.com wrote:
You don't need to know anything about RDF to create and publish
Linked Data in line with TimBL's original Linked Data meme.
Can you
David, can you please do this? I don't know Google Forms and I like the way
you worded the explanation on how to use the poll.
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 12:27 AM, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.comwrote:
On 6/19/13 6:22 PM, Luca Matteis wrote:
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 11:36 PM, Kingsley
On 19 Jun 2013, at 23:25, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com wrote:
To be more precise,
Uh-huh.
relative to basic Linked Data, inference and reasoning are distinguishing
RDF features.
s/RDF/Semantic web/ and you might well be right.
If not, how would you distinguish Linked Data and
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差出人: Kingsley Idehen [mailto:kide...@openlinksw.com]
送信日時: 2013年6月20日 6:37
On 6/19/13 3:41 PM, David Booth wrote:
On 06/19/2013 02:29 AM, エリクソン トーレ wrote:
My point was that even if the data producer doesn't know anything about
RDF, when applying the meme he will produce something that
Can you please then setup a pool asking Does creating and
publishing Linked Data require knowledge of RDF?
I would be willing to make such a poll if it seemed that people wanted
it, but I don't think it is necessary. There are *many* document
formats that can carry RDF, and it seems
David,
I think you've confused syntax-independence with serialization-independence.
RDF is syntax-dependent. The syntax is triples. OTOH, triple syntax can be
serialized in a wide variety of ways.
Jeff
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差出人: William Waites [mailto:w...@styx.org]
送信日時: 2013年6月19日 21:03
t-eriks...@so.taisho.co.jp said:
I would be interested in seeing some linked data that is
incompatible with RDF while still adhering to rules like using
global identifiers and typed links.
@prefix ex:
Hi Jeff,
I guess I could have said *concrete*-syntax-independent to be more
precise -- to distinguish it from the *abstract* syntax (or model) --
but serialization-independent works too. Or format-independent.
David
On 06/19/2013 09:55 PM, Young,Jeff (OR) wrote:
David,
I think you've
My impression is that Kingsley is arguing that triples is triples. Concrete
syntax is irrelevant, even if those triples are barely recognizable by naive
agents. If that's what he's saying, I would agree. Converting barely
recognizable triples into a standard form is a trivial process.
Jeff
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