Re: uri for uri

2013-04-01 Thread Richard Cyganiak
Given that the operators of this service claim that we can “trust them to do the right thing”, I find it disappointing that they re-invented their own integer literals rather than re-using existing identifiers such as those from Linked Open Numbers. Other than that, looks like a great service.

Re: uri for uri

2013-04-01 Thread Michael Brunnbauer
Hello Chris, what a great step forward ! Now if the RDF WG would adopt this proposal, LOD and RDF would really be ready to save the world! http://www.brunni.de/extending_the_rdf_triple_model.html Regards, Michael Brunnbauer On Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 12:13:19AM +0100, Christopher Gutteridge

Re: uri for uri

2013-04-01 Thread Christopher Gutteridge
Well if I've understood correctly, uri4uri is an extreme version of reification. rdfs: gave a way to describe a triple in triples but it still related resources together, not the identifiers for those resources. That makes it impossible to make statements about, say, what authority assigned

Re: uri for uri

2013-04-01 Thread Sarven Capadisli
On 04/01/2013 01:13 AM, Christopher Gutteridge wrote: Apparently http://uri4uri.net/ launched today and claims to solves many of the problems of Linked data. It looks promising.. I wasn't able to download their URI-dump to my desktop, so I'm not yet convinced that they really have all the

Re: uri for uri

2013-04-01 Thread Claus Stadler
I wouldn't want to download peta/exa-bytes of data. Can we have a SPARQL endpoint? ^^ Cheers, Claus On 04/01/2013 11:32 AM, Sarven Capadisli wrote: On 04/01/2013 01:13 AM, Christopher Gutteridge wrote: Apparently http://uri4uri.net/ launched today and claims to solves many of the problems of

owl:sameAs assertions in RDFa

2013-04-01 Thread Jeremy Tarling
hello all I am trying to make an owl:sameAs assertion in some RDFa but when I test it only the first statement (rnews:about bbc:thing) is being picked up, the owl:sameAs to the corresponding dbpedia URI is being ignored: span rel=rnews:about;

Re: uri for uri

2013-04-01 Thread Pieter Colpaert
Hi all, uri4uri is clearly missing provenance information and a SPARQL endpoint. I have started a harvester which fetches all URI data on uri4uri.net. I will post the SPARQL endpoint once the harvesting is done. ETA is 2014-03-31T23:59Z. Kind regards, Pieter On 04/01/2013 11:52 AM, Claus

Re: uri for uri

2013-04-01 Thread Jean-Claude Moissinac
But, the same technology was known from a long time with the name Forward Inference Scheduling Hub -- Jean-Claude Moissinac Signal and Image processing - Multimedia Group TELECOM ParisTech FRANCE E-mail: moissi...@telecom-paristech.fr Tel: (+33) 1.45.81.80.88 2013/4/1 Christopher Gutteridge

Re: Why is it bad practice to consume Linked Data and publish opaque HTML pages?

2013-04-01 Thread Dominic Oldman
For the specific case of the BMs endpoint would the ideal situation be that there is no formal attribution requirement (friction free) but rather some encouraging (but not mandatory) words about embedding at least the URI of the object record in a web publication. There is no need for every

Re: Why is it bad practice to consume Linked Data and publish opaque HTML pages?

2013-04-01 Thread Hugh Glaser
Hi Dominic, Nice when it is the holiday weekend, so we hear from you :-) On 1 Apr 2013, at 13:19, Dominic Oldman do...@oldman.me.uk wrote: For the specific case of the BMs endpoint would the ideal situation be that there is no formal attribution requirement (friction free) but rather

Re: uri for uri

2013-04-01 Thread Martynas Jusevičius
Shouldn't the path component of the URIs be percent-encoded? That is, http://uri4uri.net/uri/%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fdbpedia.org%2Fresource%2FCopenhagen instead of http://uri4uri.net/uri/http://dbpedia.org/resource/Copenhagen Martynas graphity.org On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Christopher

Re: Why is it bad practice to consume Linked Data and publish opaque HTML pages?

2013-04-01 Thread Dominic Oldman
Hugh, Yes, you are correct... and there are also issues when mashing together data from different sites.This is yet another reason why formal and mandatory 'URI attribution' is not workable. The original question was a sort of provocation. Therefore the encouraging words would be about using

Re: uri for uri

2013-04-01 Thread Tim Berners-Lee
Well, the colon should be. No reason why the / should be in this case. You can't have more than one colon in a URI. (Though you can in what's typed in a browser bar). Also, the TAG is going to eliminate the // soon, which will make everything much simpler. Tim (hmmm ...So what would be the

Re: uri for uri

2013-04-01 Thread Hugh Glaser
In principle you are probably right, but in practice this is a stunningly useful site, and requiring users to URLEncode would make it much more opaque. And in fact prone to error - I'm not sure what your %0A in the encoded URI denotes? Unfortunately things like

Re: uri for uri

2013-04-01 Thread Hugh Glaser
On 1 Apr 2013, at 14:38, Tim Berners-Lee ti...@w3.org wrote: Well, the colon should be. No reason why the / should be in this case. You can't have more than one colon in a URI. (Though you can in what's typed in a browser bar). Also, the TAG is going to eliminate the // soon, which will

Re: uri for uri

2013-04-01 Thread Barry Norton
That would save a LOT of typing. I haven't used ftp:// in years, maybe we could just go for : and assume it's HTTP? Barry On 01/04/2013 14:57, Hugh Glaser wrote: On 1 Apr 2013, at 14:38, Tim Berners-Lee ti...@w3.org wrote: Well, the colon should be. No reason why the / should be in

Re: uri for uri

2013-04-01 Thread Yves Raimond
In which case we can probably get rid of the ':' too? On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Barry Norton barry.nor...@ontotext.com wrote: That would save a LOT of typing. I haven't used ftp:// in years, maybe we could just go for : and assume it's HTTP? Barry On 01/04/2013 14:57, Hugh Glaser

Re: Why is it bad practice to consume Linked Data and publish opaque HTML pages?

2013-04-01 Thread Hugh Glaser
Thanks Kingsley. Would be nice if I did :-) Unfortunately just the little panel at the top left that you look at is actually constructed by resolving at least the 33 URIs at http://southampton.rkbexplorer.com/crs/export/?uri=http://southampton.rkbexplorer.com/id/person-07113 If you add in the

Re: uri for uri

2013-04-01 Thread Barry Norton
In Turtle/SPARQL my single namespace and graph name is : If the protocol were the same that would really show those 'developers can't understand multiple namespaces guys'. (I also find triples too complicated and just use : for the middle bit. I love graphs and all, but this stuff is really

Re: Why is it bad practice to consume Linked Data and publish opaque HTML pages?

2013-04-01 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 4/1/13 10:38 AM, Hugh Glaser wrote: Thanks Kingsley. Would be nice if I did :-) Unfortunately just the little panel at the top left that you look at is actually constructed by resolving at least the 33 URIs at

Re: uri for uri

2013-04-01 Thread Richard Cyganiak
On 1 Apr 2013, at 15:32, Yves Raimond yves.raim...@gmail.com wrote: In which case we can probably get rid of the ':' too? And the domain name too? Everything good is on facebook.com anyways. Richard On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Barry Norton barry.nor...@ontotext.com wrote: That

Re: owl:sameAs assertions in RDFa

2013-04-01 Thread Stéphane Corlosquet
Hi Jeremy, On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 6:26 AM, Jeremy Tarling jeremy.tarl...@bbc.co.ukwrote: hello all I am trying to make an owl:sameAs assertion in some RDFa but when I test it only the first statement (rnews:about bbc:thing) is being picked up, the owl:sameAs to the corresponding dbpedia

Re: owl:sameAs assertions in RDFa

2013-04-01 Thread Jeremy Tarling
Hi Steph On 01/04/2013 16:33, Stéphane Corlosquet wrote: Hi Jeremy, Your markup works fine for me. Try this on www.w3.org/2012/pyRdfa/ http://www.w3.org/2012/pyRdfa/ or http://rdf.greggkellogg.net/distiller div prefix=rnews: http://iptc.org/std/rNews/2011-10-07#; span rel=rnews:about;

Re: owl:sameAs assertions in RDFa

2013-04-01 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 4/1/13 11:44 AM, Jeremy Tarling wrote: Hi Steph On 01/04/2013 16:33, Stéphane Corlosquet wrote: Hi Jeremy, Your markup works fine for me. Try this on www.w3.org/2012/pyRdfa/ http://www.w3.org/2012/pyRdfa/ or http://rdf.greggkellogg.net/distiller div prefix=rnews:

Re: owl:sameAs assertions in RDFa

2013-04-01 Thread Jeremy Tarling
On 01/04/2013 16:52, Kingsley Idehen wrote: But rdfs:sameAs doesn't exist i.e., it isn't defined anywhere, or am I missing something here? yes will replace with owl:sameAs I'm working with a horrible template-driven system that takes months to change so may end up with inline vocab

Ann: COLD - Coloring the Data Web

2013-04-01 Thread Michael Martin
Dear all, On behalf of AKSW research group [1] I'm proud to announce an innovative approach for coloring the Data Web. The monochromacity of the Data Web is widely perceived to be the main obstacle for a wider deployment and penetration of Linked Data and Semantic Technology (cf. e.g. [2]). So

Re: Ann: COLD - Coloring the Data Web

2013-04-01 Thread Colin
Hi Michael, An immense breakthrough, thanks! Tomorrow I will definitely show it to our MarCom team, I bet they'll finally fall in love with linked data. The risk is that they start building URIs patterns that matching the company's style guide... but I guess the inconsistency of our URIs is an

Re: Ann: COLD - Coloring the Data Web

2013-04-01 Thread Ben Companjen
Hi Michael, There is a small bug in the Turtle representation: in e.g. my colour http://companjen.name/id/BC a rdf:Resource ; cold:colour loc:26bd27 . cold:color a owl:AnnotationProperty ; rdfs:label color@en ; rdfs:domain rdf:Resource ; rdfs:range