Re: WebIDL Spec Status

2014-06-24 Thread Mounir Lamouri
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014, at 10:45, Glenn Adams wrote: On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Marcos mar...@marcosc.com wrote: Even if we were able to take the V1 bits to Rec (a lot of which is now obsolete), the V2 stuff is already widely supported and heavily relied on by browser vendors. IMO, it's

Re: [editing] selection across editing host boundaries

2014-06-24 Thread Robin Berjon
On 23/06/2014 20:33 , Johannes Wilm wrote: I filed bugs on this on both Firefox and Chrome in spring 2013. It was briefly fixed in Chrome, but the fix was then retracted and we never heard any more of it. It was also reported in Firefox by someone else in 2011. [1] I also had some contact with

Re: Editing with native UI

2014-06-24 Thread Robin Berjon
On 24/06/2014 00:38 , Ben Peters wrote: Also, if the browser includes a bold command by default and I don't support bolding and therefore cancel the event, the user who has been relying on the native UI is getting the worst possible experience: native controls that do nothing at all. This

Re: [editing] Leading with ContentEditable=Minimal

2014-06-24 Thread Robin Berjon
On 23/06/2014 18:25 , Julie Parent wrote: Well stated. I like contentEditable=cursor. Works for me. Should I just scare up a draft? It is likely to be a pretty short spec :) -- Robin Berjon - http://berjon.com/ - @robinberjon

[Bug 25311] Keep consistency wrt the screen definition with CSS View

2014-06-24 Thread bugzilla
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25311 Mounir Lamouri mou...@lamouri.fr changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED|RESOLVED

Re: WebIDL Spec Status

2014-06-24 Thread Arthur Barstow
On 6/23/14 4:04 PM, Glenn Adams wrote: What is the plan, i.e., schedule timeline, for moving WebIDL to REC? We have now a two year old CR that appears to be stuck and a 2nd Edition that I'm not sure has made it to FPWD. Hi Glenn, All, I don't have any new info re v1 beyond what Boris said a

[Bug 25329] Do not allow locking to angles

2014-06-24 Thread bugzilla
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25329 Mounir Lamouri mou...@lamouri.fr changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED|RESOLVED

Re: WebIDL Spec Status

2014-06-24 Thread Charles McCathie Nevile
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 16:11:23 +0600, Mounir Lamouri mou...@lamouri.fr wrote: On Tue, 24 Jun 2014, at 10:45, Glenn Adams wrote: On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Marcos mar...@marcosc.com wrote: Even if we were able to take the V1 bits to Rec (a lot of which is now obsolete), the V2 stuff is

Re: WebIDL Spec Status

2014-06-24 Thread Charles McCathie Nevile
On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 22:05:55 +0100, Marcos mar...@marcosc.com wrote: On June 23, 2014 at 4:07:09 PM, Glenn Adams (gl...@skynav.com) wrote: What is the plan, i.e., schedule timeline, for moving WebIDL to REC? The plan is based on an editor who is provided by Mozilla, but who is very often

Re: [editing] selection across editing host boundaries

2014-06-24 Thread Johannes Wilm
On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Robin Berjon ro...@w3.org wrote: snip From discussions I've had in the past on this topic, it's not so much that browser-folks don't want to fix this. The problem is more that 1) this is hard, so fixing can often only happen if someone really owns the problem

[Bug 26181] Spec should specify the presentation of the array returned by navigator.getGamepads() w.r.t holes

2014-06-24 Thread bugzilla
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26181 Ted Mielczarek [:ted] t...@mielczarek.org changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |RESOLVED

Re: WebIDL Spec Status

2014-06-24 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 6/24/14, 6:56 AM, Charles McCathie Nevile wrote: While nobody is offering an editor who can get the work done, this argument is in any case academic (unless the editor's availability is predicated on the outcome, in which case it would be mere political machinations). I strongly disagree

Re: [editing] selection across editing host boundaries

2014-06-24 Thread Piotr KoszuliƄski
On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Robin Berjon ro...@w3.org wrote: On 23/06/2014 20:33 , Johannes Wilm wrote: I filed bugs on this on both Firefox and Chrome in spring 2013. It was briefly fixed in Chrome, but the fix was then retracted and we never heard any more of it. It was also reported

Re: WebIDL Spec Status

2014-06-24 Thread Glenn Adams
On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 7:14 AM, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: On 6/24/14, 6:56 AM, Charles McCathie Nevile wrote: While nobody is offering an editor who can get the work done, this argument is in any case academic (unless the editor's availability is predicated on the outcome, in

Re: WebIDL Spec Status

2014-06-24 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 6/24/14, 1:05 PM, Glenn Adams wrote: Such device certification regimes cannot work unless the referenced specifications are locked down and clearly implementable. I see. So this is not about actual spec implementations or spec authors but effectively about a QA cycle that compares the

FYI: IETF Webpush Proposed charter

2014-06-24 Thread Arthur Barstow
FYI. Original Message Subject:Fwd: [Webpush] Proposed charter Resent-Date:Fri, 20 Jun 2014 04:37:30 + Resent-From:www-...@w3.org Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 22:37:24 +0100 From: Daniel Appelquist appelqu...@gmail.com To: TAG List www-...@w3.org FYI -

PSA: LCWD of Beacon spec published; deadline July 29

2014-06-24 Thread Arthur Barstow
This is a PSA regarding the publication of a LCWD of the Beacon API: http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-beacon-20140624/ WebApps wasn't specifically asked to review the LCWD but I wanted to mention it since this spec was previously discussed in this group. If you have any comments, please send

Re: WebIDL Spec Status

2014-06-24 Thread Glenn Adams
On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: On 6/24/14, 1:05 PM, Glenn Adams wrote: Such device certification regimes cannot work unless the referenced specifications are locked down and clearly implementable. I see. So this is not about actual spec

Re: WebIDL Spec Status

2014-06-24 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 6/24/14, 1:46 PM, Glenn Adams wrote: The primary goal of the W3C is to produce Technical Reports that reach a stable level of maturity. The Technical Reports are not an end in themselves. They're a means to an end. This is why we don't produce Technical Reports that just say do whatever

RE: [editing] Leading with ContentEditable=Minimal

2014-06-24 Thread Ben Peters
-Original Message- On 23/06/2014 18:25 , Julie Parent wrote: Well stated. I like contentEditable=cursor. Works for me. Should I just scare up a draft? It is likely to be a pretty short spec :) I'm really looking forward to getting things sorted out! But I think we may want

Re: WebIDL Spec Status

2014-06-24 Thread Glenn Adams
On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: On 6/24/14, 1:46 PM, Glenn Adams wrote: The primary goal of the W3C is to produce Technical Reports that reach a stable level of maturity. The Technical Reports are not an end in themselves. They're a means to an

Re: WebIDL Spec Status

2014-06-24 Thread Marcos
On June 24, 2014 at 2:33:41 PM, Glenn Adams (gl...@skynav.com) wrote: They are. By having me test IDL features, by having me report them to Cameron, by having me participate in this WG. Are you asking if they can supply an editor? That would best be handled by having the chairs issue

Re: WebIDL Spec Status

2014-06-24 Thread Glenn Adams
On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Marcos mar...@marcosc.com wrote: On June 24, 2014 at 2:33:41 PM, Glenn Adams (gl...@skynav.com) wrote: They are. By having me test IDL features, by having me report them to Cameron, by having me participate in this WG. Are you asking if they can supply

Re: WebIDL Spec Status

2014-06-24 Thread Cameron McCormack
On 24/06/14 20:50, Arthur Barstow wrote: On 6/23/14 4:04 PM, Glenn Adams wrote: What is the plan, i.e., schedule timeline, for moving WebIDL to REC? We have now a two year old CR that appears to be stuck and a 2nd Edition that I'm not sure has made it to FPWD. Hi Glenn, All, I don't have any

Re: WebIDL Spec Status

2014-06-24 Thread Glenn Adams
On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Cameron McCormack c...@mcc.id.au wrote: On 24/06/14 20:50, Arthur Barstow wrote: On 6/23/14 4:04 PM, Glenn Adams wrote: What is the plan, i.e., schedule timeline, for moving WebIDL to REC? We have now a two year old CR that appears to be stuck and a 2nd

Re: WebIDL Spec Status

2014-06-24 Thread Chris Wilson
And also, I'd note that the general rough consensus from Google is that /TR/ tend to be far less valuable than TRs in flight, so to speak. Although I'm personally understanding of the need to checkpoint and have firm targets for precisely the reason Glenn mentions, I'd point out that the current

Re: WebIDL Spec Status

2014-06-24 Thread Cameron McCormack
On 25/06/14 09:02, Arthur Barstow wrote: OK, thanks for the update Cameron. Would you please remind us how the v1 bugs are designated at such? With [v1] in the status whiteboard field of the bug. (There's still a bunch of list email I need to go through and file bugs for so the list will

Re: WebIDL Spec Status

2014-06-24 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014, Boris Zbarsky wrote: On 6/24/14, 1:05 PM, Glenn Adams wrote: Such device certification regimes cannot work unless the referenced specifications are locked down and clearly implementable. I see. So this is not about actual spec implementations or spec authors but

[clipboard] Clipboard API Mandatory Data Types

2014-06-24 Thread Ben Peters
The Clipboard API spec has a section on Mandatory Data Types [1]. It says The implementation must recognise the native OS clipboard format description for the following data types, and contains a list of 14 mime types. Most of them have clear purposes, but a few seem arbitrary to me. Since I