Re: [Webpush] IETF proposes new Web-Based Push Notifications Working Group

2014-09-26 Thread Martin Thomson
If you would prefer that the IETF wg charter refer to something else, please let me know promptly. A small correction is still possible, but the window is closing. On Sep 26, 2014 1:47 PM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/24/14 1:21 PM, Michael van Ouwerkerk wrote: The linked

Re: [Webpush] IETF proposes new Web-Based Push Notifications Working Group

2014-09-26 Thread Arthur Barstow
On 9/26/14 10:42 AM, Martin Thomson wrote: If you would prefer that the IETF wg charter refer to something else, please let me know promptly. A small correction is still possible, but the window is closing. Well, it seems like IETF process would suggest/prescribe what should be done. (I

Re: [Webpush] IETF proposes new Web-Based Push Notifications Working Group

2014-09-26 Thread Peter Beverloo
On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Martin Thomson martin.thom...@gmail.com wrote: If you would prefer that the IETF wg charter refer to something else, please let me know promptly. A small correction is still possible, but the window is closing. I think the IETF spec should continue to refer

RE: [Webpush] IETF proposes new Web-Based Push Notifications Working Group

2014-09-26 Thread SULLIVAN, BRYAN L
CARRERA Cc: public-webapps Subject: Re: [Webpush] IETF proposes new Web-Based Push Notifications Working Group On 9/24/14 1:21 PM, Michael van Ouwerkerk wrote: The linked working draft is now more than a year old. The latest editor's draft has some inconsistencies while we transition

[Webpush] IETF proposes new Web-Based Push Notifications Working Group

2014-09-24 Thread Arthur Barstow
[ Bcc webp...@ietf.org ] Hi All, I recall the IETF's intent to create a web-based push notifications protocol standard was previously announced on this list. Please note the draft charter for this WG explicitly mentions WebApps: [[ http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-webpush

Re: [Webpush] IETF proposes new Web-Based Push Notifications Working Group

2014-09-24 Thread Michael van Ouwerkerk
On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@gmail.com wrote: [ Bcc webp...@ietf.org ] Hi All, I recall the IETF's intent to create a web-based push notifications protocol standard was previously announced on this list. Please note the draft charter for this WG explicitly

Re: RfC: LCWD of Web Notifications; deadline October 24

2013-09-13 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Thursday, September 12, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Arthur Barstow wrote: WebApps - the Web Notification WG asked WebApps to review their September 12 LCWD of Web Notifications: http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-notifications-20130912/ Individual WG members are encouraged to provide individual

RfC: LCWD of Web Notifications; deadline October 24

2013-09-12 Thread Arthur Barstow
WebApps - the Web Notification WG asked WebApps to review their September 12 LCWD of Web Notifications: http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-notifications-20130912/ Individual WG members are encouraged to provide individual feedback. If anyone in WebApps wants to propose an official WG response

Plan to transition Web Notifications spec to LCWD

2013-09-12 Thread Jon Lee
Today, the Web Notifications WG[1] has published a Last Call Working Draft of the Web Notifications specification: http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-notifications-20130912/ We're targeting October 24 as the end date for the LC review period. During the review period, the Web Notifications WG would

Re: Tags and origins (was: Re: Web Notifications)

2012-06-21 Thread Charles McCathieNevile
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:07:27 +0200, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Charles McCathieNevile cha...@opera.com wrote: In the default case yes. Can you use something to change that (a la from-origin)? I don't really see how. Do you have an example

Web Notifications

2012-06-20 Thread Anne van Kesteren
Hi, The Web Notifications WG is planning to move Web Notifications to W3C Last Call meaning we don't intend to change it. But we might have missed something and would therefore appreciate your review of http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/notifications/raw-file/tip/Overview.html and any comments you might have

Re: Web Notifications

2012-06-20 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 20 June 2012 10:58, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: Hi, The Web Notifications WG is planning to move Web Notifications to W3C Last Call meaning we don't intend to change it. But we might have missed something and would therefore appreciate your review of http://dvcs.w3.org/hg

Re: Web Notifications

2012-06-20 Thread Olli Pettay
On 06/20/2012 11:58 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: Hi, The Web Notifications WG is planning to move Web Notifications to W3C Last Call meaning we don't intend to change it. But we might have missed something and would therefore appreciate your review of http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/notifications/raw

Tags and origins (was: Re: Web Notifications)

2012-06-20 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Olli Pettay olli.pet...@helsinki.fi wrote: Seems like tags are global. I think they should be per origin. Yes I believe they should be. http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/notifications/rev/563e9af218b9 Thanks, -- Anne — Opera Software http://annevankesteren.nl/ http

Re: Tags and origins (was: Re: Web Notifications)

2012-06-20 Thread Charles McCathieNevile
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:30:08 +0200, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Olli Pettay olli.pet...@helsinki.fi wrote: Seems like tags are global. I think they should be per origin. Yes I believe they should be. http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/notifications/rev

Re: Tags and origins (was: Re: Web Notifications)

2012-06-20 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Charles McCathieNevile cha...@opera.com wrote: In the default case yes. Can you use something to change that (a la from-origin)? I don't really see how. Do you have an example where it makes sense? -- Anne — Opera Software http://annevankesteren.nl/

Re: Tags and origins (was: Re: Web Notifications)

2012-06-20 Thread John Gregg
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 5:30 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Olli Pettay olli.pet...@helsinki.fi wrote: Seems like tags are global. I think they should be per origin. Yes I believe they should be. http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/notifications/rev

Re: Tags and origins (was: Re: Web Notifications)

2012-06-20 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 3:25 PM, John Gregg john...@google.com wrote: Can we either go back to the original language where in the showing algorithm you compare both tag and origin (add origin to the model), Sure. http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/notifications/rev/93c6983ce465 -- Anne — Opera Software

Re: Web Notifications

2012-06-20 Thread Andrew Wilson
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Olli Pettay olli.pet...@helsinki.fi wrote: On 06/20/2012 11:58 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: Hi, The Web Notifications WG is planning to move Web Notifications to W3C Last Call meaning we don't intend to change it. But we might have missed something and would

Re: Web Notifications

2012-06-20 Thread Andrew Wilson
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Andrew Wilson atwil...@google.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Olli Pettay olli.pet...@helsinki.fi wrote: On 06/20/2012 11:58 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: Hi, The Web Notifications WG is planning to move Web Notifications to W3C Last Call meaning

Interacting with notifications

2010-10-04 Thread Jimmy Forrester-Fellowes
Hi All, I've been playing with the webkit notifications API while creating a chrome-extension. I wanted to raise my concern that I think non-interactive notifications are unintuitive for some/most scenarios. I understand that using HTML notifications you can add links/buttons so the user can

Web Notifications: please use public-web-notification [Was: Interacting with notifications]

2010-10-04 Thread Arthur Barstow
Please use the public-web-notification list for the Web Notifications spec. John - I think it would be helpful if you would include a note about public-web-notification in the Status of Document section. -ArtB Original Message Subject:Interacting

Web Notifications: public-web-notification created

2010-07-06 Thread Arthur Barstow
The public-web-notification Mail List was created for the Web Notifications spec and the ML's archive is available at: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-notification/ The above includes a subscribe to this list link. Original Message Subject:[Work

Re: [Notifications] feedback requested on new Editor's Draft

2010-03-24 Thread John Gregg
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Ryan Seddon seddon.r...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 1:06 PM, John Gregg john...@google.com wrote: After the extensive discussion several weeks ago, I've been working on a new draft for Web Notifications which is now available at http://dev.w3.org

Re: [Notifications] feedback requested on new Editor's Draft

2010-03-23 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 03:06:45 +0100, John Gregg john...@google.com wrote: After the extensive discussion several weeks ago, I've been working on a new draft for Web Notifications which is now available at http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/WebNotifications/publish/ The Web IDL should be cleaned up

Re: [Notifications] feedback requested on new Editor's Draft

2010-03-23 Thread Drew Wilson
This looks good. One thing which I suggested previously but which didn't make it into the spec is the ability for the UA to eliminate duplicate notifications. Since I've been using the existing experimental notifications API in Chrome, I've found that duplicate notifications are very common

Re: [Notifications] feedback requested on new Editor's Draft

2010-03-23 Thread Ryan Seddon
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 1:06 PM, John Gregg john...@google.com wrote: After the extensive discussion several weeks ago, I've been working on a new draft for Web Notifications which is now available at http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/WebNotifications/publish/ Not sure if this has been asked

[Notifications] feedback requested on new Editor's Draft

2010-03-22 Thread John Gregg
After the extensive discussion several weeks ago, I've been working on a new draft for Web Notifications which is now available at http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/WebNotifications/publish/ The most substantial changes are: - Add requirements section. This is derived from the wiki page which Doug

Re: Notifications

2010-02-26 Thread Dmitry Titov
On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 5:06 AM, Henri Sivonen hsivo...@iki.fi wrote: On Feb 10, 2010, at 20:35, John Gregg wrote: I agree that this is a good distinction, but I think even considering ambient notifications there is a question of how much interaction should be supported. NotifyOSD

Re: Notifications

2010-02-24 Thread Doug Schepers
that we want to enable in these notifications). The non-fallback proposals that have been put forward aren't acceptable to me for the same reasons that Jonas is opposed to the fallback proposals - we both have a different vision for what the requirements should be. I'd like to see us focus on gaining some

Re: Notifications

2010-02-23 Thread イアンフェッティ
This thread seems to have languished, and I'm trying to figure out how to move forward here. My understanding, grossly simplified, of the current state of the world is this: 1. Some people have a desire to show HTML / interactive notifications, to support use cases like remind me

Re: Notifications

2010-02-23 Thread Doug Schepers
) that use SVG rather than HTML, which would benefit from these interactive notifications... shouldn't we define a more generic CreateWebNotification and pass an optional MIME Type parameter that defaults to text/html (or some similar mechanism)? I strongly agree with the sentiment that we

Re: Notifications

2010-02-23 Thread Jeremy Orlow
is this: 1. Some people have a desire to show HTML / interactive notifications, to support use cases like remind me of this calendar event again in 5 minutes or Answer this call / hang up this call. 2. Some people have a concern that the proposed way to achieve 1, namely allowing HTML, will result

Re: Notifications

2010-02-23 Thread イアンフェッティ
*HTMLNotification? I understand that HTML is really common, and that increasingly SVG can be used as part of HTML, but there are lots of devices out there (TVs, mobiles, set-top boxes) that use SVG rather than HTML, which would benefit from these interactive notifications... shouldn't we define

Re: Notifications

2010-02-23 Thread Doug Schepers
Hi, Ian- No need to apologize... HTML is a little bit more widely adopted than SVG (I suspect that there are 10x as many HTML documents as SVG documents on the Web). It may be that only specifying text and HTML notifications is the best way forward for now, I just wanted to make sure

Re: Notifications

2010-02-23 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:20:13 +0100, Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) ife...@google.com wrote: CreateInteractiveNotification(in DOMString text-fallback, [Optional] in DOMString MimeType1, [Optional] in DOMString NotificationFormat1, [Optional] in DOMString MimeType2, [Optional] NotificationFormat2, ...)

Re: Notifications

2010-02-23 Thread イアンフェッティ
Am 23. Februar 2010 12:11 schrieb Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com: On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:20:13 +0100, Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) ife...@google.com wrote: CreateInteractiveNotification(in DOMString text-fallback, [Optional] in DOMString MimeType1, [Optional] in DOMString NotificationFormat1,

Re: Notifications

2010-02-23 Thread Doug Schepers
Doug Schepers wrote (on 2/23/10 2:43 PM): HTML is a little bit more widely adopted than SVG (I suspect that there are 10x as many HTML documents as SVG documents on the Web). I've been told offlist that it may not be obvious that I was joking here... 10x is an absurdly low figure... HTML is

Re: Notifications

2010-02-23 Thread Drew Wilson
2010/2/23 Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) ife...@google.com Am 23. Februar 2010 12:11 schrieb Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com: On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:20:13 +0100, Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) ife...@google.com wrote: CreateInteractiveNotification(in DOMString text-fallback, [Optional] in DOMString

Re: Notifications

2010-02-23 Thread Jonas Sicking
2010/2/23 Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) ife...@google.com: Am 23. Februar 2010 12:11 schrieb Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com: On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:20:13 +0100, Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) ife...@google.com wrote: CreateInteractiveNotification(in DOMString text-fallback, [Optional] in DOMString

Re: Notifications

2010-02-23 Thread イアンフェッティ
Am 23. Februar 2010 13:44 schrieb Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc: 2010/2/23 Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) ife...@google.com: Am 23. Februar 2010 12:11 schrieb Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com: On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:20:13 +0100, Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) ife...@google.com wrote:

Re: Notifications

2010-02-23 Thread Drew Wilson
on solutions until we had agreement on requirements (specifically, the amount of interaction that we want to enable in these notifications). The non-fallback proposals that have been put forward aren't acceptable to me for the same reasons that Jonas is opposed to the fallback proposals - we both have

Re: Notifications

2010-02-12 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Feb 10, 2010, at 20:35, John Gregg wrote: I agree that this is a good distinction, but I think even considering ambient notifications there is a question of how much interaction should be supported. NotifyOSD, for example, does not allow the user to take any action in response

Re: Notifications

2010-02-12 Thread David Levin
On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 5:06 AM, Henri Sivonen hsivo...@iki.fi wrote: FWIW, Microsoft explicitly says notifications must be ignorable and don't persist. Notifications aren't modal and don't require user interaction, so users can freely ignore them. In Windows Vista® and later, notifications

Re: Notifications

2010-02-12 Thread Drew Wilson
notifications of multiple concurrent things the most. Furthermore, it seems that notifications are becoming more a part of operating system platfroms. For example, it looks like Windows 7 has a system API for displaying notifications: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee330740%28VS.85%29.aspx

Re: Notifications

2010-02-12 Thread John Gregg
who install Growl are presumably the kind of users who care about notifications of multiple concurrent things the most. Furthermore, it seems that notifications are becoming more a part of operating system platfroms. For example, it looks like Windows 7 has a system API for displaying

Re: Notifications

2010-02-11 Thread Jeremy Orlow
think there are some potentially conflicting goals for any of the HTML APIs: 1) Providing a single lowest-common-denominator API that we can support on every single platform to provide the maximum amount of compatibility. For notifications, pretty much every capable platform can display

Re: Notifications

2010-02-11 Thread Dmitry Titov
I can't help but think the Growl issue is way overblown. I am the user who uses Growl and also a GoogleTalkLabsEdition for Mac that pop ups nice notifications about upcoming meetings, email and chat. Growl is connected to IRC and something else (don't even remember). They both use top-right corner

Re: Notifications

2010-02-10 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Feb 3, 2010, at 20:54, Drew Wilson wrote: Following up on breaking out createHTMLNotification() and createNotification() vs combining them into one large API - I believe the intent is that a given user agent may not support all types of notifications (for example, a mobile phone

Re: Notifications

2010-02-10 Thread John Gregg
not support all types of notifications (for example, a mobile phone application may only support text + icon notifications, not HTML notifications). My main concern isn't mobile phones in the abstract but mapping to concrete system-wide notification mechanisms: Growl and NotifyOSD on Mac and Ubuntu

Re: Notifications

2010-02-10 Thread Robert O'Callahan
We ran into this issue when mapping our own browser notifications to platform notification APIs. For ambient notifications, you can't rely on the user being able to click on the notification, because the notification might time out and disappear on its own before the user has had a chance to react

Re: Notifications

2010-02-10 Thread Drew Wilson
not support all types of notifications (for example, a mobile phone application may only support text + icon notifications, not HTML notifications). My main concern isn't mobile phones in the abstract but mapping to concrete system-wide notification mechanisms: Growl and NotifyOSD on Mac and Ubuntu

Re: Notifications

2010-02-10 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.orgwrote: We ran into this issue when mapping our own browser notifications to platform notification APIs. For ambient notifications, you can't rely on the user being able to click on the notification, because

Re: Notifications

2010-02-10 Thread Robert O'Callahan
to check for the existence of HTML support before calling these APIs - UAs would always have a useful fallback. The problem with that is that authors who test with a system that supports HTML notifications could easily provide the wrong non-HTML message, or no message at all, and not notice

Re: Notifications

2010-02-10 Thread Drew Wilson
createHTMLNotification() would break the web because web applications would fail to check for the existence of HTML support before calling these APIs - UAs would always have a useful fallback. The problem with that is that authors who test with a system that supports HTML notifications could

Re: Notifications

2010-02-10 Thread Jonas Sicking
with that is that authors who test with a system that supports HTML notifications could easily provide the wrong non-HTML message, or no message at all, and not notice. It also forces authors to say things twice. Analogously, developers can (and do!) create pages that rely on javascript or images being

Re: Notifications

2010-02-10 Thread Robert O'Callahan
for a plaintext-only notification framework (possibly opting to fall back to non-native notifications if the text extraction doesn't work). For example, you could allow only b and img elements, and for text-only notifications you would strip b and use the alt text for img, and if the author didn't provide

Re: Notifications

2010-02-10 Thread Drew Wilson
subset of HTML, and then consider how the UA should extract text for a plaintext-only notification framework (possibly opting to fall back to non-native notifications if the text extraction doesn't work). For example, you could allow only b and img elements, and for text-only notifications you

Re: Notifications

2010-02-10 Thread Drew Wilson
before calling these APIs - UAs would always have a useful fallback. The problem with that is that authors who test with a system that supports HTML notifications could easily provide the wrong non-HTML message, or no message at all, and not notice. It also forces authors to say things

Re: Notifications

2010-02-10 Thread Jonas Sicking
because web applications would fail to check for the existence of HTML support before calling these APIs - UAs would always have a useful fallback. The problem with that is that authors who test with a system that supports HTML notifications could easily provide the wrong non-HTML message

Re: Notifications

2010-02-10 Thread Drew Wilson
. The history of the web has generally been that good features spread to become ubiquitous, and if your concern is that HTML notifications will become one of those features, then I echo your concern :) I think there are some potentially conflicting goals for any of the HTML APIs: 1) Providing a single

Re: Notifications

2010-02-10 Thread Jonas Sicking
a single lowest-common-denominator API that we can support on every single platform to provide the maximum amount of compatibility. For notifications, pretty much every capable platform can display an icon and a single line of text, so if we wanted to be pedantic we could make that our API

Re: Notifications

2010-02-05 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 00:36:26 +0100, John Gregg john...@google.com wrote: I'm familiar with that version of the proposal (in fact my WHATWG proposal from March '09 had the same language: untrusted notifications displayed in-browser), but considering it more I think it is too limiting

Re: Notifications

2010-02-05 Thread David Levin
notifications beforehand; Aren't notifications by nature somewhat non-important? Yes, but only if they aren't done well. I have notifications to remind me to go to meetings, or when someone is trying to reach me in irc. These are very important to me. oth, I may also have a notification about new

Re: Notifications

2010-02-05 Thread Drew Wilson
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 6:52 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 00:36:26 +0100, John Gregg john...@google.com wrote: I'm familiar with that version of the proposal (in fact my WHATWG proposal from March '09 had the same language: untrusted notifications displayed

Re: Notifications

2010-02-05 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:19:24 +0100, Drew Wilson atwil...@google.com wrote: I've thought about this some more, and I'm not at all convinced that in-tab notification support is the right way to go. It seems that in-tab notifications are a solved problem already (in a few lines of code an app

Re: Notifications

2010-02-05 Thread Drew Wilson
notifications are a solved problem already (in a few lines of code an app can create a floating div with whatever content it desires) with the advantage that the web app can display that notification in a way that is consistent with the UI in the site (set the notification so

Re: Notifications

2010-02-05 Thread John Gregg
permission in advance could just call createNotification(), but then never actually call show() (or, perhaps they could just display a confirmation notification like Desktop notifications are now enabled for FooMail). As someone who has integrated notifications into a web app, I have to say that I

Notifications

2010-02-03 Thread Olli Pettay
added createNotification to window object, or to .screen. createNotification and createHTMLNotification could be merged. Based on the parameters UA could create a bit different kinds of notifications. Or depending on what kind of resources get loaded. PERMISSION_NOT_ALLOWED vs. PERMISSION_DENIED

Re: Notifications

2010-02-03 Thread John Gregg
createNotification to window object, or to .screen. The idea was to have a common place to manage notification permissions as well as create notifications. That would end up with a lot of notifications-specific items on the window object. createNotification and createHTMLNotification could

Re: Notifications

2010-02-03 Thread Drew Wilson
Following up on breaking out createHTMLNotification() and createNotification() vs combining them into one large API - I believe the intent is that a given user agent may not support all types of notifications (for example, a mobile phone application may only support text + icon notifications

Re: Notifications

2010-02-03 Thread Jeremy Orlow
strange. Why do we need a separate interface for this? I'd rather added createNotification to window object, or to .screen. The idea was to have a common place to manage notification permissions as well as create notifications. That would end up with a lot of notifications-specific items

Re: Notifications

2010-02-03 Thread Olli Pettay
On 2/3/10 8:33 PM, John Gregg wrote: I will make this more specific in the draft: create[HTML]Notification should not load the necessary resources until it is about to be displayed (in case of a queue). Once it is at the top of the queue, it should: - load its resources as if opening a new

Re: Notifications

2010-02-03 Thread Olli Pettay
On 2/3/10 8:55 PM, Jeremy Orlow wrote: Agreed. Having a shared worker that doesn't need to worry about races with shutting down windows seems like a big win. Olli, do you foresee any problems with allowing access from workers? In a multiscreen environment worker can't define which screen to

Re: Notifications

2010-02-03 Thread John Gregg
. I have no particular attachment to the name, but would prefer to be agnostic as to the presentation for non-HTML notifications. Leaving open the possibility that a user-agent routes this API to a third-party text+icon notification library, it's not a window and it's a different notion than load

Re: Notifications

2010-02-03 Thread Jeremy Orlow
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Olli Pettay olli.pet...@helsinki.fiwrote: On 2/3/10 8:55 PM, Jeremy Orlow wrote: Agreed. Having a shared worker that doesn't need to worry about races with shutting down windows seems like a big win. Olli, do you foresee any problems with allowing access

Re: Notifications

2010-02-03 Thread John Gregg
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Olli Pettay olli.pet...@helsinki.fiwrote: On 2/3/10 8:33 PM, John Gregg wrote: I will make this more specific in the draft: create[HTML]Notification should not load the necessary resources until it is about to be displayed (in case of a queue). Once it is at

Re: Notifications

2010-02-03 Thread Drew Wilson
That's true in general about any UI the worker may display (HTTP Auth, Certificate errors, etc) - the UA generally picks a parent document on behalf of the worker and displays the UI on the associated screen. If the client cares about which screen specifically it's displaying on (because it has

Re: Notifications

2010-02-03 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:55:32 +0100, Olli Pettay olli.pet...@helsinki.fi wrote: NotificationCenter is a bit strange. Why do we need a separate interface for this? I'd rather added createNotification to window object, or to .screen. Shouldn't it be on navigator? We use navigator for other

Re: Notifications

2010-02-03 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 19:54:44 +0100, Drew Wilson atwil...@google.com wrote: Following up on breaking out createHTMLNotification() and createNotification() vs combining them into one large API - I believe the intent is that a given user agent may not support all types of notifications

Re: Notifications

2010-02-03 Thread Jeremy Orlow
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:55:32 +0100, Olli Pettay olli.pet...@helsinki.fi wrote: NotificationCenter is a bit strange. Why do we need a separate interface for this? I'd rather added createNotification to window object,

Re: Notifications

2010-02-03 Thread Drew Wilson
I'm not entirely certain I understand this suggestion - is this just a change to the spec language, or does it impact the actual API (i.e. would webapps still do the following): if ('createHTMLNotifications' in window.notifications) { ...html notifications exist... } Or are you proposing

Re: Notifications

2010-02-03 Thread John Gregg
is that a given user agent may not support all types of notifications (for example, a mobile phone application may only support text + icon notifications, not HTML notifications). Having these APIs broken out separately allows the UA to communicate whether it supports one or the other to the web

Re: Notifications

2010-02-03 Thread Anne van Kesteren
notifications can implement to make it clear it might not be available and that is somewhat separate. (Not sure whether I agree we need HTML notifications though, especially for v1.) I'd be okay with using a separate interface if it is the more clear way make something optional in the spec

Re: Notifications

2010-02-03 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 20:52:18 +0100, Jeremy Orlow jor...@chromium.org wrote: On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:55:32 +0100, Olli Pettay olli.pet...@helsinki.fi wrote: NotificationCenter is a bit strange. Why do we need a

Re: Notifications

2010-02-03 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:55:32 +0100, Olli Pettay olli.pet...@helsinki.fi wrote: some random comments about http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/WebNotifications/publish/ (I didn't know that the draft existed until the link was mentioned in an email to @whatwg mailing list :/ ) Some other thoughts

Re: Notifications

2010-02-03 Thread Drew Wilson
that an error callback from createNotification() is sufficient as you generally want to initiate the permission grant *in advance* of displaying notifications. As an example, allow me to describe the following use case: A web mail program would like to display desktop notifications when new mail

Re: Notifications

2010-02-03 Thread John Gregg
Notifications should do the same. * I'm not a big fan of introducing two new ways to load resources as proposed in this API. We are not doing that elsewhere either (consider e.g. drawImage()). Passing a Document and HTMLImageElement (potentially HTMLCanvasElement and HTMLVideoElement too I suppose

Re: Notifications

2010-02-03 Thread Anne van Kesteren
to display permissions UI in advance of having a notification to show. The design Hixie once made for notifications was much nicer I thought. Initially you would get tab-scoped in-browser notifications but the user could opt-in (maybe when the first of such notifications was shown) into system

Re: Notifications

2010-02-03 Thread Drew Wilson
is important for the same reasons as Drew gave: the site should know whether to display permissions UI in advance of having a notification to show. The design Hixie once made for notifications was much nicer I thought. Initially you would get tab-scoped in-browser notifications but the user could opt

Re: Web Notifications, do we need a new spec?

2009-10-24 Thread Arthur Barstow
the initial implementation for Chrome, but I've posted a draft version of a spec for notifications to http://sites.google.com/a/chromium.org/dev/developers/design- documents/desktop-notifications/api-specification I think that's a good starting point for formalizing it. I think this API would likely

Re: Web Notifications, do we need a new spec?

2009-10-21 Thread Dominique Hazael-Massieux
of a spec for notifications to http://sites.google.com/a/chromium.org/dev/developers/design-documents/desktop-notifications/api-specification I think that's a good starting point for formalizing it. I think this API would likely fit under the “User Interaction API” http://www.w3.org/2009/05

Re: Web Notifications, do we need a new spec?

2009-10-21 Thread Jeremy Orlow
completing the initial implementation for Chrome, but I've posted a draft version of a spec for notifications to http://sites.google.com/a/chromium.org/dev/developers/design-documents/desktop-notifications/api-specification I think that's a good starting point for formalizing it. I think

Re: Web Notifications, do we need a new spec?

2009-10-19 Thread John Gregg
Apologies for the delay, I've been spending the majority of my time completing the initial implementation for Chrome, but I've posted a draft version of a spec for notifications to http://sites.google.com/a/chromium.org/dev/developers/design-documents/desktop-notifications/api-specification I

Re: Web Notifications, do we need a new spec?

2009-09-07 Thread Marcos Caceres
John Gregg wrote: Hi Marcos, I'm doing the implementation for Chromium so I'm pretty familiar with notifications. Although I'm fairly new to the process, I would be happy to volunteer to help, since I would definitely like to see a new notifications spec come together. Great

Re: Web Notifications, do we need a new spec?

2009-09-07 Thread John Gregg
Hi Marcos, I'm doing the implementation for Chromium so I'm pretty familiar with notifications. Although I'm fairly new to the process, I would be happy to volunteer to help, since I would definitely like to see a new notifications spec come together. -John On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Re: Web Notifications, do we need a new spec?

2009-09-04 Thread Marcos Caceres
to be used on the Web, I'm wondering if we should spawn    a separate specification for notifications? We could use the current    text in the AE [1] as the basis, which is based heavily on what was    originally in HTML5 (or just take the old HTML5 text, create the new    spec, add the hooks

Re: Web Notifications, do we need a new spec?

2009-09-04 Thread イアンフェッティ
-related technologies to be used on the Web, I'm wondering if we should spawn a separate specification for notifications? We could use the current text in the AE [1] as the basis, which is based heavily on what was originally in HTML5 (or just take the old HTML5 text, create

Re: Web Notifications, do we need a new spec?

2009-09-04 Thread Marcos Caceres
Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) wrote: We are in the middle of implementing in WebKit and in Chromium, so yes we are still interested in pursuing. John Gregg (johnnyg@) has been leading the effort from our end. Beyond an implementation that people can experiment with, what sort of resources are you

Re: Web Notifications, do we need a new spec?

2009-08-07 Thread Marcos Caceres
for notifications? We could use the current text in the AE [1] as the basis, which is based heavily on what was originally in HTML5 (or just take the old HTML5 text, create the new spec, add the hooks for Widgets). Although notifications have been taken out of HTML5, rumblings

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