Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-03-04 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 06:10:47 +0100, Garrett Smith dhtmlkitc...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/1/11, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: These are the reasons they are intertwined: * document.createEvent() That was previously DocumentEvent interface, IIRC. Implementations put it on Document

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-03-03 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Thu, 03 Mar 2011 04:43:04 +0100, Shiki Okasaka shiki.okas...@gmail.com wrote: I guess the reason behind this has been discussed around: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-script-coord/2010OctDec/0081.html Actually what are the blocking issues why DOM Core does not state like,

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-03-02 Thread Shiki Okasaka
  * we want Node to inherit from EventTarget That can be stated in DOM Core. For example: The Node Interface implements EventTarget [Events Core]. I guess the reason behind this has been discussed around: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-script-coord/2010OctDec/0081.html Actually

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-03-02 Thread Shiki Okasaka
2011/3/3 Garrett Smith dhtmlkitc...@gmail.com: On 3/2/11, Shiki Okasaka shiki.okas...@gmail.com wrote:   * we want Node to inherit from EventTarget That can be stated in DOM Core. For example: The Node Interface implements EventTarget [Events Core]. I guess the reason behind this has been

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-03-01 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 16:15:25 +0100, Doug Schepers schep...@w3.org wrote: I will remove my objection to publish DOM Core if: 1) conflicts (rather than extensions) are removed from the draft, or reconciled with changes in DOM3 Events; and 2) for those changes that have broad consensus, we can

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-03-01 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 17:59:45 +0100, Adrian Bateman adria...@microsoft.com wrote: Something boxed out at the start of the Events section would be great for now. Added: https://bitbucket.org/ms2ger/dom-core/changeset/a997dac35d91 Hopefully we can make sure that the drafts are aligned and if

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-03-01 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 08:51:24 +0100, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: What conflicts or contradictions exist currently? Does anyone have a list? Some time ago I put a list in the draft: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/domcore/raw-file/tip/Overview.html#dom-events Glenn Maynard and I are still

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-03-01 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:49:48 +0100, Garrett Smith dhtmlkitc...@gmail.com wrote: | DOM Core defines the event and document model the Web platform uses. That says that DOM Core defines two different things: events and DOM. Some things might implement DOM Events Core (or a subinterface thereof)

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-03-01 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 16:15:25 +0100, Doug Schepers schep...@w3.org wrote: I would still like to help edit that specification, to bring a slightly different perspective and approach, and to coordinate between DOM3 Events and DOM Core, and I

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-03-01 Thread Garrett Smith
On 3/1/11, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:49:48 +0100, Garrett Smith dhtmlkitc...@gmail.com wrote: | DOM Core defines the event and document model the Web platform uses. That says that DOM Core defines two different things: events and DOM. Some things might

RE: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-02-28 Thread Adrian Bateman
On Friday, February 25, 2011 1:54 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: The idea is to provide a better definition of the events model at a more appropriate location. I do not think DOM Level 3 Events is the right way forward, but I am happy to work in parallel to see which turns out better in the

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-02-28 Thread Karl Dubost
Le 28 févr. 2011 à 17:59, Adrian Bateman a écrit : My preference is to not have two drafts in the WebApps working group with conflicting specification of the same feature. Looking at http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/domcore/raw-file/tip/Overview.html#events and

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-02-28 Thread Garrett Smith
On 2/28/11, Adrian Bateman adria...@microsoft.com wrote: On Friday, February 25, 2011 1:54 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: The idea is to provide a better definition of the events model at a more appropriate location. I do not think DOM Level 3 Events is the right way forward, but I am

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-02-28 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Feb 24, 2011, at 5:21 PM, Doug Schepers wrote: Hi, Anne- I object to publishing a Working Draft of the DOM Core spec that includes DOM Events. Introducing conflicting specifications that cover the same materials dramatically harms interoperability, and the idea of competing

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-02-28 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Feb 26, 2011, at 7:15 AM, Doug Schepers wrote: I will remove my objection to publish DOM Core if: 1) conflicts (rather than extensions) are removed from the draft, or reconciled with changes in DOM3 Events; and 2) for those changes that have broad consensus, we can integrate them

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-02-26 Thread Doug Schepers
Hi, folks- I have no problem changing the DOM3 Events spec if that's the behavior that implementers want specified. I'd love for it to be as clear, simple, and precise as possible, and I have been asking for specific feedback for the past few years; while we have gotten a lot of good

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-02-25 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 02:21:44 +0100, Doug Schepers schep...@w3.org wrote: Finally, at TPAC, when we discussed working on DOM Core and DOM 3 Events in parallel, we did not agree to adding events to DOM Core; in fact, we agreed to exactly the opposite: you wanted to move mutation events into

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-02-25 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 25 Feb 2011, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 02:21:44 +0100, Doug Schepers schep...@w3.org wrote: Finally, at TPAC, when we discussed working on DOM Core and DOM 3 Events in parallel, we did not agree to adding events to DOM Core; in fact, we agreed to exactly the

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-02-25 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:57:04 +0100, Adrian Bateman adria...@microsoft.com wrote: Of course it's true that the status doesn't imply everyone agrees with everything and I'm okay with that but heartbeat working drafts are intended to show forward progress and this feels like a retrograde step

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-02-25 Thread Karl Dubost
Doug, Le 25 févr. 2011 à 02:21, Doug Schepers a écrit : Finally, at TPAC, when we discussed working on DOM Core and DOM 3 Events in parallel, Would it help if the DOM 3 Events was republished at the same time, with a note pointing to the work done in DOM Core. Something along. The

RE: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-02-24 Thread Adrian Bateman
On Wednesday, February 23, 2011 8:21 AM, Arthur Barstow wrote: Anne and Ms2ger (representing Mozilla Foundation) have continued to work on the DOM Core spec and they propose publishing a new Working Draft of the spec:   http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/domcore/raw-file/tip/Overview.html As such, this

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-02-24 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:26:19 +0100, Adrian Bateman adria...@microsoft.com wrote: I'm concerned about the working group endorsing a working draft with phrasing like The timeStamp attribute must be useless. I understand there are issues related to this (e.g. ISSUE-172) but this doesn't seem

RE: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-02-24 Thread Adrian Bateman
On Thursday, February 24, 2011 2:37 PM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:26:19 +0100, Adrian Bateman adria...@microsoft.com wrote: I'm concerned about the working group endorsing a working draft with phrasing like The timeStamp attribute must be useless. I understand there

Re: publish a new Working Draft of DOM Core; comment deadline March 2

2011-02-24 Thread Doug Schepers
Hi, Anne- I object to publishing a Working Draft of the DOM Core spec that includes DOM Events. Introducing conflicting specifications that cover the same materials dramatically harms interoperability, and the idea of competing specifications is an anti-pattern when it comes to