Re: RfC: how to organize the DOM specs [Was: CfC: publish new WD of DOM Core]

2011-09-09 Thread Olli Pettay
On 09/07/2011 05:09 PM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Arthur Barstowart.bars...@nokia.com wrote: Some members of the group consider the D3E spec as the highest priority of our DOM-related specs and they have put considerable resources into that spec. Doug and Jacob will

Re: RfC: how to organize the DOM specs [Was: CfC: publish new WD of DOM Core]

2011-09-09 Thread Arthur Barstow
On 9/9/11 6:27 AM, ext Olli Pettay wrote: On 09/07/2011 05:09 PM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Arthur Barstowart.bars...@nokia.com wrote: Some members of the group consider the D3E spec as the highest priority of our DOM-related specs and they have put considerable

Re: RfC: how to organize the DOM specs [Was: CfC: publish new WD of DOM Core]

2011-09-07 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: Some members of the group consider the D3E spec as the highest priority of our DOM-related specs and they have put considerable resources into that spec. Doug and Jacob will continue to lead that spec effort, and as I

Re: RfC: how to organize the DOM specs [Was: CfC: publish new WD of DOM Core]

2011-09-06 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 5 Sep 2011, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 6:12 AM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: Some members of the group consider the D3E spec as the highest priority of our DOM-related specs and they have put considerable resources into that spec. Doug and

Re: RfC: how to organize the DOM specs [Was: CfC: publish new WD of DOM Core]

2011-09-06 Thread Arthur Barstow
On 9/5/11 3:34 PM, ext Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: We should make these kinds of decisions *solely* on technical grounds. Well surely making decisions on technical grounds is important. However, it seems a bit simplistic to consider it the only factor. (I seem to recall some previous decisions

Re: RfC: how to organize the DOM specs [Was: CfC: publish new WD of DOM Core]

2011-09-04 Thread Arthur Barstow
Hi All, Thanks for the comments and discussion! I finally reviewed all of the responses and here are my thoughts on moving forward ... Some members of the group consider the D3E spec as the highest priority of our DOM-related specs and they have put considerable resources into that spec.

Re: RfC: how to organize the DOM specs [Was: CfC: publish new WD of DOM Core]

2011-08-31 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: I think defining all of these in one specification is fine. Currently the specification is only 37 pages when printed. That will certainly grow once we add ranges, examples, and more introductory text, but will also

Re: RfC: how to organize the DOM specs [Was: CfC: publish new WD of DOM Core]

2011-08-31 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, 31 Aug 2011 18:52:34 +0200, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: Is this explicitly mentioned in the spec? Otherwise how will anyone be able to take advantage of this fact? I guess we could explicitly mention it somewhere. On the other hand, everything has references and

Re: how to organize the DOM specs [Was: CfC: publish new WD of DOM Core]

2011-08-29 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 12:48 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: The point is that if it's just a chapter in a larger spec, how do I know that there isn't other important information in the larger spec that I have to read in order to get a understanding of the full feature. The same

Re: how to organize the DOM specs [Was: CfC: publish new WD of DOM Core]

2011-08-25 Thread Robin Berjon
On Aug 22, 2011, at 11:47 , James Graham wrote: I don't really understand your point here. If you used the smaller document presumably you could just have easily have read the relevant chapter from the larger document. [...snip...] Small specs encourage people - including the spec editors -

Re: how to organize the DOM specs [Was: CfC: publish new WD of DOM Core]

2011-08-25 Thread Karl Dubost
Le 22 août 2011 à 05:47, James Graham a écrit : Small specs encourage people - including the spec editors - to perceive that features are more self-contained than they really are Note that in some circumstances it might have some benefits in forcing orthogonality. Our tools and cultural

Re: how to organize the DOM specs [Was: CfC: publish new WD of DOM Core]

2011-08-25 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 2:47 AM, James Graham jgra...@opera.com wrote: On 08/22/2011 11:22 AM, Jonas Sicking wrote: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/complete/ I *always* used the much smaller document that used to be available here:

Re: how to organize the DOM specs [Was: CfC: publish new WD of DOM Core]

2011-08-22 Thread James Graham
On 08/22/2011 11:22 AM, Jonas Sicking wrote: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/complete/ I *always* used the much smaller document that used to be available here: www.whatwg.org/specs/web-workers/current-work/ I don't really understand your point here. If you used the smaller

RE: how to organize the DOM specs [Was: CfC: publish new WD of DOM Core]

2011-08-20 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 16 Aug 2011, Adrian Bateman wrote: At Microsoft, we also prefer smaller more specific specifications for all the same reasons that it makes sense to engineer software in smaller, more modular parts. * It is easier to implement and test smaller modules. Developers find it easier

RE: how to organize the DOM specs [Was: CfC: publish new WD of DOM Core]

2011-08-16 Thread Adrian Bateman
On Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:29 AM, Arthur Barstow wrote: [ Topic changed to how to organize the group's DOM specs ... ] Hi Adrian, Anne, Doug, Jacob, All, The WG is chartered to do maintenance on the DOM specs so a question for us is how to organize the DOM specs, in particular, whether

RfC: how to organize the DOM specs [Was: CfC: publish new WD of DOM Core]

2011-08-11 Thread Arthur Barstow
[ Topic changed to how to organize the group's DOM specs ... ] Hi Adrian, Anne, Doug, Jacob, All, The WG is chartered to do maintenance on the DOM specs so a question for us is how to organize the DOM specs, in particular, whether Anne's DOM spec should be constrained (or not) to some set of

Re: RfC: how to organize the DOM specs [Was: CfC: publish new WD of DOM Core]

2011-08-11 Thread Ms2ger
Hi Art, (CCing some people you apparently forget to CC, but who might have an opinion on this matter, and a stake in the outcome of the discussion.) On 08/11/2011 12:28 PM, Arthur Barstow wrote: [ Topic changed to how to organize the group's DOM specs ... ] Hi Adrian, Anne, Doug, Jacob,

Re: RfC: how to organize the DOM specs [Was: CfC: publish new WD of DOM Core]

2011-08-11 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 6:28 AM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: Before we publish a new WD of Anne's DOM spec, I would like comments on how the DOM specs should be organized. In particular: a) whether you prefer the status quo (currently that is DOM Core plus D3E) or if you want