Re: [testing] Seeking Test Facilitator(s) for Indexed Database API

2013-11-26 Thread Arthur Barstow
On 11/26/13 1:45 AM, ext Zhang, Zhiqiang wrote: From: Arthur Barstow [mailto:art.bars...@nokia.com] Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 2:58 AM Please contact me if you can commit to helping with this effort and you have `relevant` experience. After reconsidering your invitation at TPAC about

Re: publish LCWD of DOM Parsing and Serialization; deadline November 25

2013-11-26 Thread Arthur Barstow
Travis - what is the plan for https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18938? -Thanks, AB On 11/25/13 7:23 PM, ext Travis Leithead wrote: I've finished the major updates. Today's ED draft at: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/innerhtml/raw-file/tip/index.html should be ready to use as the baseline

[screen-orientation] Locking to 'current' orientation

2013-11-26 Thread Mounir Lamouri
Hi, I got some requests from different organizations to add the ability to lock to the 'current' orientation in the Screen Orientation API. From Javascript, that would allow writing window.screen.lockOrientation('current'); instead of window.screen.lockOrientation(window.screen.orientation);

Re: [screen-orientation] Locking to 'current' orientation

2013-11-26 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Tuesday, 26 November 2013 at 15:16, Mounir Lamouri wrote: Hi, I got some requests from different organizations to add the ability to lock to the 'current' orientation in the Screen Orientation API. From Javascript, that would allow writing window.screen.lockOrientation('current');

Re: [screen-orientation] Locking to 'current' orientation

2013-11-26 Thread Kenneth Rohde Christiansen
hi, On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Marcos Caceres w...@marcosc.com wrote: On Tuesday, 26 November 2013 at 15:16, Mounir Lamouri wrote: Hi, I got some requests from different organizations to add the ability to lock to the 'current' orientation in the Screen Orientation API. From

Re: [screen-orientation] Locking to 'current' orientation

2013-11-26 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Tuesday, 26 November 2013 at 15:30, Kenneth Rohde Christiansen wrote: hi, On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Marcos Caceres w...@marcosc.com (mailto:w...@marcosc.com) wrote: On Tuesday, 26 November 2013 at 15:16, Mounir Lamouri wrote: Hi, I got some requests from different

[screen-orientation] screen orientation angle

2013-11-26 Thread Mounir Lamouri
Hi, The Screen Orientation API defines an angle relationship between portrait-primary and landscape-primary. The reason for that is that developers would know which orientation is at 90 degrees from the current orientation, which one is at 180 degrees, etc. However, by forcing the two primary

Re: [screen-orientation] Locking to 'current' orientation

2013-11-26 Thread Mounir Lamouri
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013, at 2:52, Marcos Caceres wrote: IMHO, it would be confusing to have an app that when you launch it the first time locks one way... but when you launch it the next time, locks another way. In the 300 apps we've been cataloguing for orientation [1], there is not a single

Re: [screen-orientation] screen orientation angle

2013-11-26 Thread Kenneth Rohde Christiansen
I am OK with this. When discussing with John Mellor, we also concluded that screen.orientationAngle was useful, due to the exact same reasons. Allowing lockOrientation to take either a string (with simple to use defaults) and take an angle for the more advanced use-cases, sounds like a pretty good

Re: [screen-orientation] screen orientation angle

2013-11-26 Thread Mounir Lamouri
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013, at 3:49, Kenneth Rohde Christiansen wrote: a) Will this be a delta from the current orientation? or relative to the default device orientation? I guess the former makes the most sense. Orientation angle compared to the native device orientation. b) What should happen if

Re: [screen-orientation] screen orientation angle

2013-11-26 Thread Kenneth Rohde Christiansen
Hi On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Mounir Lamouri mou...@lamouri.fr wrote: On Wed, Nov 27, 2013, at 3:49, Kenneth Rohde Christiansen wrote: a) Will this be a delta from the current orientation? or relative to the default device orientation? I guess the former makes the most sense.

RE: [screen-orientation] screen orientation angle

2013-11-26 Thread Domenic Denicola
It would be a shame to continue the trend of verbose web APIs. lockOrientation is nice. If it fails, the promise is rejected. Many operations can fail; this is not an argument for prefixing them with request. Just lock the orientation. If there's a problem locking it, we'll deal with it :)

Re: [screen-orientation] screen orientation angle

2013-11-26 Thread John Mellor
This all sounds reasonable; it's great that we'll be able to remove the spec's artificial requirement that if the device is in landscape-primary and is rotated 90 degrees clockwise, that should be represented as portrait-primary. And it potentially opens the door to using a less error-prone

Re: [screen-orientation] screen orientation angle

2013-11-26 Thread Lars Knudsen
+1 to this new angle ;) Seriously, it would be great if we can finally get closer to a solution where (especially) new web apps developers will not get too confused about different representations of orientation between different specs and devices. It would be great with some reference apps to

Re: [screen-orientation] screen orientation angle

2013-11-26 Thread John Mellor
Lars wrote: it would make sense to agree on portrait or landscape to be *the* primary orientation for all devices Hmm, but some devices don't have a primary portrait orientation. For example the Motorola Xoom has a clear primary landscape orientation, but users are equally likely to hold it in

RE: publish LCWD of DOM Parsing and Serialization; deadline November 25

2013-11-26 Thread Travis Leithead
Resolved it today. Took one more change to the ED draft to update the SOTD, Acknowledgements section, and document headers. -Original Message- From: Arthur Barstow [mailto:art.bars...@nokia.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 5:46 AM To: Travis Leithead Cc: Webapps WG Subject: Re:

CfC: publish LCWD of DOM Parsing and Serialization; deadline December 3

2013-11-26 Thread Arthur Barstow
Earlier today Travis closed the last open bug for DOM Parsing and Serialization so this is a Call for Consensus (CfC) to publish a LCWD of that spec, using the following ED as the basis: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/innerhtml/raw-file/tip/index.html This CfC satisfies the group's requirement to

Re: [screen-orientation] screen orientation angle

2013-11-26 Thread Charles McCathie Nevile
On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 01:22:47 +0700, John Mellor joh...@google.com wrote: Lars wrote: it would make sense to agree on portrait or landscape to be *the* primary orientation for all devices Hmm, but some devices don't have a primary portrait orientation. For example the Motorola Xoom has a

Re: [screen-orientation] screen orientation angle

2013-11-26 Thread Kenneth Rohde Christiansen
Hi, It seems a better option would be for the Device Orientation API to provide values relative to the current screen up direction. This could be optional if anyone can think of use cases where you both a) need absolute device orientation, and b) wouldn't have already locked the screen

New manifest spec - ready for FPWD?

2013-11-26 Thread Marcos Caceres
Over the last few weeks, a few of us folks in the Web Mob IG have been investigating the use cases and requirements for bookmarking web apps to home screen. The output of that research is this living document: http://w3c-webmob.github.io/installable-webapps/ That (ongoing) research is helping

Re: New manifest spec - ready for FPWD?

2013-11-26 Thread Alan Stearns
On 11/26/13, 1:02 PM, Marcos Caceres w...@marcosc.com wrote: Over the last few weeks, a few of us folks in the Web Mob IG have been investigating the use cases and requirements for bookmarking web apps to home screen. The output of that research is this living document:

Re: New manifest spec - ready for FPWD?

2013-11-26 Thread Kenneth Rohde Christiansen
Hi, The idea is that the manifest as described in the current spec should be as simple as possible, and just cover the use-cases of bookmarks and hosted web apps (save to home screen and the like). This allows for the spec to be more broadly applicable and hopefully get support from most

Re: [HTML Imports]: Sync, async, -ish?

2013-11-26 Thread Ilya Grigorik
(way behind, slowly catching up...) On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Daniel Buchner dan...@mozilla.com wrote: Steve and I talked at the Chrome Dev Summit today and generated an idea that may align the stars for our async/sync needs: link rel=import elements=x-foo, x-bar / +1. I think this

Re: New manifest spec - ready for FPWD?

2013-11-26 Thread Rob Manson
That's a great overview! There's 2 points I think haven't fully been addressed. 1. Section 8. Navigation Much of this work (and HTML5 in general) is about bringing the Web Platform up to being equal with native apps. But one thing that the Web does that native apps can't do is deep linking

Re: Cross Origin Web Components: Fixing iframes

2013-11-26 Thread Dominic Cooney
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Ryosuke Niwa rn...@apple.com wrote: Hi, I have been having informal discussions of our earlier proposal for cross-orign use cases and declarative syntax for web components, and I realized there was a lot of confusion about our motivations and decision

Re: Cross Origin Web Components: Fixing iframes

2013-11-26 Thread Ryosuke Niwa
On Nov 27, 2013, at 8:57 AM, Dominic Cooney domin...@google.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Ryosuke Niwa rn...@apple.com wrote: Hi, I have been having informal discussions of our earlier proposal for cross-orign use cases and declarative syntax for web components, and I

Re: Cross Origin Web Components: Fixing iframes

2013-11-26 Thread Dominic Cooney
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Ryosuke Niwa rn...@apple.com wrote: On Nov 27, 2013, at 8:57 AM, Dominic Cooney domin...@google.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Ryosuke Niwa rn...@apple.com wrote: Hi, I have been having informal discussions of our earlier proposal for