Re: Beacon API

2013-02-18 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Reitbauer, Alois alois.reitba...@compuware.com wrote: The conversations this week were very helpful in deciding how to move forward. I second Jatinder's idea that we come up with a specification that describes in details what we need. We should also treat it

Re: [webcomponents] Making the shadow root an Element

2013-02-18 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Dimitri Glazkov dglaz...@google.com wrote: We were thinking of adding innerHTML to DocumentFragments anyway... right, Anne? Well I thought so, but that plan didn't work out at the end of the day. https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14694#c7 So

Re: Re: Keyboard events for accessible RIAs and Games

2013-02-18 Thread Кошмарчик
I'll be updating the document this week. I'll send an update to the list after that happens. On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Florian Bösch pya...@gmail.com wrote: Any progress on the speccing of queryKeyCap? On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:14 PM, Gary Kacmarcik (Кошмарчик) gary...@chromium.org

Re: Beacon API

2013-02-18 Thread Reitbauer, Alois
From my perspective the point is that we should rather have a clear(er) definition of what we need, rather than starting to see how it fits into existing specs. Having this initial spec it will be also easier to decide about the actual fit into XHR or PING // Alois On 2/18/13 10:19 AM, Anne van

Re: Beacon API

2013-02-18 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Reitbauer, Alois alois.reitba...@compuware.com wrote: From my perspective the point is that we should rather have a clear(er) definition of what we need, rather than starting to see how it fits into existing specs. Having this initial spec it will be also easier

[Bug 19470] Event firing sequence on abort() after send()

2013-02-18 Thread bugzilla
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19470 Anne ann...@annevk.nl changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |RESOLVED

Re: [webcomponents] Making the shadow root an Element

2013-02-18 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Dimitri Glazkov dglaz...@google.com wrote: We were thinking of adding innerHTML to DocumentFragments anyway... right, Anne? Well I thought so, but that plan didn't work out at the end

Re: [webcomponents] Making the shadow root an Element

2013-02-18 Thread Dimitri Glazkov
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: So given that consensus still putting it on ShadowRoot strikes me like a bad idea (as I think I've said somewhere in a bug). The same goes for

Re: Custom elements ES6/ES5 syntax compromise, was: document.register and ES6

2013-02-18 Thread Dimitri Glazkov
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Daniel Buchner dan...@mozilla.com wrote: I'm not sure I buy the idea that two ways of doing the same thing does not seem like a good approach - the web platform's imperative and declarative duality is, by nature, two-way. Having two methods or an option that

Re: [webcomponents] Making the shadow root an Element

2013-02-18 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Dimitri Glazkov dglaz...@google.com wrote: Also, I want to know better which part of _putting it on ShadowRoot_ strikes Anne as bad. I would like striking him at all, especially with something bad :P Mainly, if it's bad for DocumentFragment, it's bad for

Re: [webcomponents] Making the shadow root an Element

2013-02-18 Thread Dimitri Glazkov
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Dimitri Glazkov dglaz...@google.com wrote: Also, I want to know better which part of _putting it on ShadowRoot_ strikes Anne as bad. I would like striking him at all, especially with

Re: Custom elements ES6/ES5 syntax compromise, was: document.register and ES6

2013-02-18 Thread Daniel Buchner
I agree with your approach on staging the two specs for this, but the last part about returning a constructor in one circumstance and undefined in the other is something developers would rather not deal with (in my observation). If I'm a downstream consumer or library author who's going to wrap

Re: [webcomponents] Making the shadow root an Element

2013-02-18 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 8:57 PM, Dimitri Glazkov dglaz...@google.com wrote: Still unclear. Are you saying this: if we have API members on ShadowRoot that aren't on DocumentFragment, then ShadowRoot should not be a DocumentFragment? No. all I'm saying that we made a conscious choice not to have

Re: [webcomponents] Making the shadow root an Element

2013-02-18 Thread Dimitri Glazkov
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 8:57 PM, Dimitri Glazkov dglaz...@google.com wrote: Still unclear. Are you saying this: if we have API members on ShadowRoot that aren't on DocumentFragment, then ShadowRoot should not be a

Re: [webcomponents] Making the shadow root an Element

2013-02-18 Thread Tobie Langel
On Monday, February 18, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Dimitri Glazkov wrote: On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl (mailto:ann...@annevk.nl) wrote: On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 8:57 PM, Dimitri Glazkov dglaz...@google.com (mailto:dglaz...@google.com) wrote: Still

FYI: JSON mailing list and BoF

2013-02-18 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr) wrote: We're planning on doing a BoF in Orlando to discuss starting up a JSON working group. The BoF is currently planned for Monday afternoon at 1300 in Carribean 6. A very preliminary version of a charter can be found here:

[editing] Is this the right list to discuss editing?

2013-02-18 Thread Alex Mogilevsky
It looks like Editing API draft is currently abandoned and there isn't any activity on the topic in this list for a while (as far as I can find in the archives)... I am working on editing in IE, have issues of various scale that could benefit from a discussion in standards environment. Short

RE: [editing] Is this the right list to discuss editing?

2013-02-18 Thread Travis Leithead
Alex, work on Editing APIs was ongoing in the Community Group (http://www.w3.org/community/editing/) though their draft is just under a year old. Aryeh may have more current info... From: Alex Mogilevsky [mailto:alex...@microsoft.com] Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 8:14 PM To:

RE: [editing] Is this the right list to discuss editing?

2013-02-18 Thread Alex Mogilevsky
It is my understanding that Aryeh is currently not working on Editing API (https://plus.google.com/100662365103380396132/posts/KyADU8K54uK) and there is currently no successor or plan for further work... I would imagine there is still non-zero interest in the subject, would be good to have a

Re: FYI: JSON mailing list and BoF

2013-02-18 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 12:19 AM, Bjoern Hoehrmann derhoe...@gmx.net wrote: (http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/apps-discuss/current/msg08912.html) Not sure this matters anymore as JavaScript has its own JSON definition which we use. -- http://annevankesteren.nl/

Re: [editing] Is this the right list to discuss editing?

2013-02-18 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 4:14 AM, Alex Mogilevsky alex...@microsoft.com wrote: I am working on editing in IE, have issues of various scale that could benefit from a discussion in standards environment. Short of creating a new working group (which might be a good idea, but is pretty involved), is