Re: Length of LC comment period

2009-12-09 Thread Marcos Caceres
Maciej Stachowiak wrote: On Dec 8, 2009, at 6:09 AM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Marcos Caceres wrote: Cheer up, I can think of _much_ worst things that have popped out of the W3C onto the Web than Web Storage:) Yeah but they typically have minimal impact on the deployed Web

Re: Length of LC comment period

2009-12-08 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Tuesday, December 8, 2009, Ian Hickson wrote: > On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Marcos Caceres wrote: >> > > >> > > Cheer up, I can think of _much_ worst things that have popped out of >> > > the W3C onto the Web than Web Storage:) >> > >> > Yeah b

Re: Length of LC comment period

2009-12-08 Thread Marcos Caceres
only depend PR+ specs, but it's neither a hard rule, nor in the W3C process. On Mon, 7 Dec 2009, Marcos Caceres wrote: On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Mon, 7 Dec 2009, Marcos Caceres wrote: Sorry Ian, you are assuming you are the only one that can edit that sp

Re: Length of LC comment period [Was: Ready for LC on the various drafts I edit]

2009-12-07 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Ian Hickson wrote: > On Mon, 7 Dec 2009, Marcos Caceres wrote: >> >> Sorry Ian, you are assuming you are the only one that can edit that >> spec. If you want help with editing the spec or with the test suite, >> just ask. I'm not say

Re: Length of LC comment period [Was: Ready for LC on the various drafts I edit]

2009-12-06 Thread Marcos Caceres
th editing the spec or with the test suite, just ask. I'm not saying I'll do it, but I can ask at Opera for one of the WHATWG superstars to take it over. WDYT? or is it just too entangled in HTML 5 to let someone else edit it? > -- > Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL > http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. > Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' > > -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: [widgets] test-cases for icons: some possible errors

2009-12-03 Thread Marcos Caceres
icons in the correct order. To pass, > the icons list must contain a pointer "icon.png" followed by a pointer to > "locales/en/icon.jpg". fixed > == > > zz.wgt > > ✔ Tests the ability of the user agent to correctly deal with an icon element > that points to a file that is not present in the widget package. To pass, > the icon list must contain "pass.png". > > I don't think this is correct - either the package needs to include the file > "icon.png" and that gets in the list, or the list needs to be empty, as > there is no rule that identifies "pass.png" is a valid icon when its not > specified as a custom icon. You are correct. It now says "To pass, the icon list must be empty." -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: [widgets] CfC: to publish LC#2 of the WARP spec; deadline 2 December

2009-12-03 Thread Marcos Caceres
Marcin Hanclik wrote: Hi Marcos, You once accused us of being a kindergarten, and now you are asking us to willfully violate the process? Well :), I do not want to remember those multi-context discussions. We have already aligned. Thanks. Maybe... I recommend that you formally re-raise

Re: [widgets] CfC: to publish LC#2 of the WARP spec; deadline 2 December

2009-12-03 Thread Marcos Caceres
epending also on further discussion on the > topics in this mail thread, maybe it could be addressed during LC#2?) and > will contain the diff between WARP and WARP4U. > Maybe... I recommend that you formally re-raise the local pattern issues once we publish LC#2 or continue working on your new spec (which Opera supports, btw)... but please, remove all duplicate text and keep is short, as Robin suggested. -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: [widgets] CfC: to publish LC#2 of the WARP spec; deadline 2 December

2009-12-02 Thread Marcos Caceres
Robin Berjon wrote: On Dec 2, 2009, at 10:38 , Marcin Hanclik wrote: Please list exactly which comment were not addressed. Many (various) comments resulted from this mail thread: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009JulSep/1202.html You (not sure about Robin, the editor) see

Re: [widgets] CfC: to publish LC#2 of the WARP spec; deadline 2 December

2009-12-01 Thread Marcos Caceres
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Re: [widgets] element-based localization

2009-12-01 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Tuesday, December 1, 2009, Cyril Concolato wrote: > Hi Marcos, Robin, > > Marcos Caceres a écrit : > > On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Robin Berjon wrote: > > On Nov 27, 2009, at 20:55 , Marcos Caceres wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Cyril Concolato

Re: [widgets] element-based localization

2009-12-01 Thread Marcos Caceres
Robin Berjon wrote: On Nov 30, 2009, at 22:33 , Marcos Caceres wrote: I *really* like it; you never fail to impress Mr Berjon :) *bows* I learn from working with the best, sir. ... but the first para should just be a "Note:" (we don't want to have that in as normative

Re: [widgets] element-based localization

2009-11-30 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Robin Berjon wrote: > On Nov 27, 2009, at 20:55 , Marcos Caceres wrote: >> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Cyril Concolato >> wrote: >>> I'm trying to implement the element-based localization and I found the spec >>> unclear

Re: [widgets] CfC: to publish LC#2 of the WARP spec; deadline 2 December

2009-11-30 Thread Marcos Caceres
> We support publishing this document. > Opera supports publishing this document. -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: [widgets] Test suite full coverage of mandatory aspects in the P&C spec, was Re: OMTP BONDI Reference Implementation fully compliant against mandatory P&C tests

2009-11-30 Thread Marcos Caceres
Hi Scott Scott Wilson wrote: Hi Marcos, The latest P&C test results for Apache Wookie (incubating) are: 165 tests 16 ignored 17 failures 132 passes Failed: dc,d4,an,co,za,bv,rd,b2, ao,cp,cj,af,e8,bl,bm,bn,zz (though the last four test cases may be in error; see previous email) Ignored (not au

[widgets] Test suite full coverage of mandatory aspects in the P&C spec, was Re: OMTP BONDI Reference Implementation fully compliant against mandatory P&C tests

2009-11-28 Thread Marcos Caceres
and > Configuration specification (proposed for CR #2). The test results can be > found here: > http://samaxes.svn.beanstalkapp.com/widgets_compatibility_matrix/trunk/index.html Congrats to the BONDI team :) > Many thanks to Toby Ealden, Christian Breitschwerdt and Marcos Caceres fo

Re: [widgets] test suite, duplicated test

2009-11-27 Thread Marcos Caceres
when it has nothing to process inside the widget element. To pass, the widget start file must be "index.htm"" Kind regards, Marcos -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: [widgets] element-based localization

2009-11-27 Thread Marcos Caceres
t;pt" overrides xml:lang="en" inherited from the widget element. I am unlocalized content. On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Marcos Caceres wrote: > On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Cyril Concolato > wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm trying to i

Re: [widgets] element-based localization

2009-11-27 Thread Marcos Caceres
ght reading! :) ). > Finally, I would also create some tests in the test-suite to check that > inheritance is applied and used or not depending on the element type.WDYT? I think it is a good idea to create tests for this. If you have created some already, please send them to me off-list and I will add them. I'm happy to discuss further what form these tests should take. -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: [widgets] test-suite, default xml:lang

2009-11-27 Thread Marcos Caceres
t;;> > A > B > D > C > > > My guess would be: "D" > > Am I correct? Again, you are correct. I believe we have a test for that: http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/test-suite/test-cases/ta-VdCEyDVSA/005/config.xml I guess it would be of value to add another example or two in the spec. I will do that when we go to PR. Thanks again for the feedback and for helping us improve both the spec and the test suite! Sorry there are bits that are a bit ambiguous - keep the feedback coming so we can fix that!:) -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: [widgets] editing problem

2009-11-27 Thread Marcos Caceres
,4) and rest of the bullets are not which makes the algorithm > refer to step 10 and 11 that don't exist. > Woops! fixed. -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: [widgets] Testing ITS support

2009-11-27 Thread Marcos Caceres
Arthur Barstow wrote: On Nov 27, 2009, at 5:14 AM, ext Marcos Caceres wrote: to test ITS support, the WebApps WG would appreciate some guidance with designing a handful of test cases that the i18n WG would consider suitable to provide interoperability across implementations. Please make

Re: [widgets] about test d1.wgt

2009-11-27 Thread Marcos Caceres
Hi Cyril, Cyril Concolato wrote: Hi Marcos, Marcos Caceres a écrit : Hi Cyril, On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Cyril Concolato wrote: Hi, The test d1.wgt is about the src attribute of the icon element. It says that it tests the following assertion: "If the src attribute of this

[widgets] Testing ITS support

2009-11-27 Thread Marcos Caceres
Dear i18n WG, During the call to transition the Widgets Packaging and Configuration specification (P&C) [1] to CR, the Director requested that aside from the MUST assertions the Web Apps WG test the optional aspects of the specification in our test-suite [2]. As you are aware, to facilitate t

Re: [widgets] Interface published

2009-11-25 Thread Marcos Caceres
ng rendered). > Surely one can defer to > `window.screen.width` and `window.screen.height` instead? I know it says > `screen`, but just imagine it says `viewport`? No, screen.width and screen.height means the screens width and height (like 640x480)! not the viewport's width and height (apples and oranges). Also, HTML5's Window interface does not define the screen object... if the bible does not says it exists, then it does not exist :) > # My final proposal Widget interface proposal after thinking about it > for two hours > > >        interface Widget { >                readonly attribute DOMString     config; // innerXML or rather > JSON > representation of configuration document >                readonly attribute Storage       preferences; // key value >                void openURL(in DOMString iri); >        }; I like the last two :) Kind regards, Marcos -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: [widgets] LCWD#3 comments (3)

2009-11-20 Thread Marcos Caceres
;mail industry", therefore we will probably not fix it here. LOL, this stuff truly is turtles all the way down! :) Thanks, Marcin From: marcosscace...@gmail.com [marcosscace...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Marcos Caceres [marc...@opera.com] Sent: F

Re: [widgets] LCWD#3 comments (3)

2009-11-20 Thread Marcos Caceres
gt; > As for me [2] does not match [1]. I don't know, maybe parameter allows spaces? but yeah, that first space after "Content-type:" seems non-conforming. > > Anyway, it seems I can live with that issue, since it seems to affect more > than just P&C J. > Me to

Re: [widgets] about test d1.wgt

2009-11-20 Thread Marcos Caceres
ween the icon element and > the content element. There does not seem to be such test with the content > element. If you make such test, you should also align the spec in the same > manner. I'm not sure I understand, can you design the test to show what you mean. I can then add it to the test suite. Kind regards, Marcos -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: [widgets] About the test suite

2009-11-20 Thread Marcos Caceres
ed. If we have a process for generating an SVG > tree from an HTML tree, I wonder if it might not be simpler than merging the > two. > Dunno. There are only about 10-20 or so tests that are affected by this. It's probably easier to do this by hand. > -- > Robin Berjon - http://berjon.com/ > > > > > -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: [widgets] default start file table vs. src attribute

2009-11-20 Thread Marcos Caceres
kinda need the table. Also, it needs to be specified what precedence a user agent gives to loading files, which is the second purpose of the table. The last purpose of the table is to tell a user agent what MIME type to use for each file type, which is also fairly important. -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: [widgets] multiple co-authors

2009-11-20 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Scott Wilson wrote: > Thanks Marcos, > > I'm happy with this solution. > Great. Your approval has been noted in the disposition of comments: http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/42538/WD-widgets-20091029/doc/ -- Ma

Re: [widgets] Test suite: problem with test cases

2009-11-20 Thread Marcos Caceres
xed up; ag should result in "P A S S" and ah >> should result in "PASS". >> >> S >> >> On 19 Nov 2009, at 23:05, Marcos Caceres wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Scott Wilson >>> wrote:

Re: Unzipping content into current directory widely considered poor practice

2009-11-20 Thread Marcos Caceres
assets/ fr/ clock/ images/ assets/ " As these comments came in after the deadline, I have not included the text in the current spec. If the WG agrees, I will add them to whatever the next publication will be (fingers crossed, it will be PR). Kind regards, Marcos -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: [Widgets] LCWD#3 comments (2)

2009-11-20 Thread Marcos Caceres
Marcin Hanclik wrote: Hi Marcos, 3. say that parameter is allowed, but if it includes an encoding parameter, then @encoding beats it (or the other way around). OK " let start file encoding be the value of the last supported parameter components whose purpose is to declare the character enco

Re: [widgets] About the test suite

2009-11-20 Thread Marcos Caceres
Cyril Concolato wrote: Yes I agree, that should not be difficult, I've already manually created the green/red SVG files. But I was wondering about the order given in the default start files table. For example, if a widget package contains both a index.htm and index.svg, is the UA required to us

Re: [widgets] Test suite: problem with test cases

2009-11-19 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Scott Wilson wrote: > On 18 Nov 2009, at 12:02, Marcos Caceres wrote: > > 2009/11/14 Scott Wilson : > > woops, fixed. > > Assertion 34: Test d7, d8 > > === > > These test cases both contain badly-formed XML: >

Re: [widgets] multiple co-authors

2009-11-19 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Marcos Caceres wrote: > Hi Scott, > Artb would like to include this comment as part of our Disposition of > Comments for P&C. We intend to republish next week, so I need an > approval that you are satisfied with the response I sent you ASAP >

Re: [widgets] multiple co-authors

2009-11-19 Thread Marcos Caceres
> > I see what you mean, but I guess something like: > > >                  href="http://some.org/project_name/developers";>Simon > and Garfunkel > > > > -- > Marcos Caceres > http://datadriven.com.au > -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: [Widgets] LCWD#3 comments (2)

2009-11-19 Thread Marcos Caceres
as unclear, you still concluded what I intended. I based the specified behavior on Opera Unite which, from what I understand, serves itself content from a widget package over HTTP, but on the "server" level, talks to the widget package on it's own proprietary protocol ("unite://" or something). > Are we restricted e.g. to section 5 (“Unknown Type”)? When the transport layer is using WURI, yes. I think so. What we should do here is quickly ask Adam Barth to take a look at what we have specified and make sure it is ok. > > c) The version of the SNIFF spec that is referred by P&C is 00 (by date) and > it has already expired as ID. > Right. I will update this to the right version (for now, I removed the date and just put "work in progress"). -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: Constrained specification of Icon element

2009-11-19 Thread Marcos Caceres
the above cases the author would just declare (and the UA would just use the icon in all contexts): A more complicated example would be: However, I do not see a need to add such complexity to the spec. In other words, though I have changed the definition of the icon width and

[widgets] The people say "NO" to 1.0, was Re: [public-webapps] Comment on Widget URI (7)

2009-11-19 Thread Marcos Caceres
t; since there is no reason why versions of its various components need to > evolve in synchronised fashion — one could use P+C 4.2 with WARP 2.7. > > Recommendation to the WG: apply the same change throughout. I strongly agree (and have been pushing this for a long time)... Lets drop the "1.0" everywhere in the widget family of specs. -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: [widgets] multiple co-authors

2009-11-19 Thread Marcos Caceres
p://some.org/project_name/developers";>Simon and Garfunkel -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: [WARP] Call for comments on pre-LC#2 of WARP spec; deadline 18 November

2009-11-19 Thread Marcos Caceres
lieve will not only offer a fine-grain access control to > specific features on a per-domain basis but can also be benefit > implementations to load only those feature "modules" into the JavaScript > context that are declared by the widget authors on a per-domain basis. As WARP defines it's own processing model, so any additions can just be defined there. -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: [Widgets] LCWD#3 comments (1)

2009-11-18 Thread Marcos Caceres
ttribute." > Should be an authoring guideline. Fixed. > 7.13.1 > "that a user agent will behave as the required  attribute" > Should be > "that a user agent will behave as if the required  attribute" Fixed. > Acknowledgments > It seems a paragraph is missing there. Fixed. -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: DAP and security (was: Rename “File API” to “FileReader API”?)

2009-11-18 Thread Marcos Caceres
ed back later with an external "policy file" >> mechanism. I don't know where you got the idea that it's a "widely held view" - That is plainly ridiculous and verging on the insulting. I'm pretty certain no one holds that view in DAP. -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: [widgets] Test suite: problem with test cases

2009-11-18 Thread Marcos Caceres
==== > These test cases both contain badly-formed XML: > > >   > > Presumably these ought to be: > > >   > Fixed and checked in. -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: [widgets] Request for Comments: LCWD of Widget Interface; deadline 8 December 2009

2009-11-17 Thread Marcos Caceres
an identified product (in this case, a user agent). The tests do not thoroughly test the WebIDL, which Dom's IDL test case generator will thoroughly tests. I will work with Dom on getting those tests into the test suite over the next week or so. Kind regards, Marcos -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

[widgets] Interface published

2009-11-17 Thread Marcos Caceres
Hi all, Widget interface spec ready for publication (Last Call) [1]. Will be out sometime today (if not already published). And test suite files are now online [2]. Enjoy in moderation! Kind regards, Marcos [1] http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-api/ [2] http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-ap

Re: [WARP] Comments to WARP spec

2009-11-13 Thread Marcos Caceres
gine does not allow external image > references, no image will >        be shown below: >        http://dev.opera.com/img/logo-beta.gif"/> >         > > > Best regards, > Bryan Sullivan | AT&T > > -Original Message- > From: Marcos Caceres [mail

Re: [widgets] About the test suite

2009-11-13 Thread Marcos Caceres
that happen. If you can commit some time, then we can talk about how we get SVG as a standard part of the test suite. WDYT? -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: [widgets interface] Tests generated from WebIDL

2009-11-12 Thread Marcos Caceres
Dominique Hazael-Massieux wrote: Le jeudi 12 novembre 2009 à 17:52 +0100, Marcos Caceres a écrit : I complete agree that manual tests bring a lot of value, but I think it would be unwise to refuse automated tests that express exactly what the spec expresses — in particular, they can be

Re: [widgets interface] Tests generated from WebIDL

2009-11-12 Thread Marcos Caceres
Dominique Hazael-Massieux wrote: Le jeudi 12 novembre 2009 à 17:35 +0100, Marcos Caceres a écrit : On the other hand, automated test generation can generate a large number of test cases and is less prone to human errors. But, at the same time, it cannot test some things that are written in

Re: [widgets interface] Tests generated from WebIDL

2009-11-12 Thread Marcos Caceres
Hi Dom, Dominique Hazael-Massieux wrote: Hi Marcos, I saw that the test suite for TWI was discussed on the WebApps call today: http://www.w3.org/2009/11/12-wam-minutes.html#item05 Since the discussion didn’t allude at all to my mail below about generated test cases, I thought I would point you

Re: [WARP] Comments to WARP spec

2009-11-12 Thread Marcos Caceres
Marcin Hanclik wrote: Hi Marcos, I understand that too many details may not work or be an obstacle in the adoption. However, I derive that from the security point of view we still would like to distinguish at least between executable and non-executable content. I think this is established

Re: [WARP] Comments to WARP spec

2009-11-12 Thread Marcos Caceres
Marcin Hanclik wrote: Hi, What about semantic distinctions? "tag" as proposed till now seems to be too detailed and does not scale. For HTML/XHR: means an executable content retrieved from the remote host. ,

[widgets] Conformance testing results

2009-11-11 Thread Marcos Caceres
http://samaxes.svn.beanstalkapp.com/widgets_compatibility_matrix/trunk/index.html -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: [WARP] Comments to WARP spec

2009-11-10 Thread Marcos Caceres
SULLIVAN, BRYAN L (ATTCINW) wrote: Placing broad restrictions on widget-context webapp access to network resources (substantially different from browser-context webapps) is not an effective approach to creating a useful widget-context webapp platform. That would create a significant barrier

Re: [WARP] Comments to WARP spec

2009-11-10 Thread Marcos Caceres
SULLIVAN, BRYAN L (ATTCINW) wrote: Marcos, I agree there is an assumption behind the approach I proposed, which I also believe will be valid for the vast majority of widgets which will actually have "index.html" or something like that as the start page. Further, the statements in the config.x

Re: View modes: more precision on fullscreen

2009-11-10 Thread Marcos Caceres
Robin Berjon wrote: On Nov 9, 2009, at 16:41 , Marcos Caceres wrote: That would be 'application', but not maximized. Uh, but those can be two different windowing modes, with the chrome subtly different and different behaviour (e.g. the window can't be dragged if maximised).

Re: [WARP] Comments to WARP spec

2009-11-10 Thread Marcos Caceres
SULLIVAN, BRYAN L (ATTCINW) wrote: Marcos, Re "I'm personally not in favor of trying to deviate too much from the Web security model.": I agree with you, and that is the point of the comments. The "web security model" (I think you mean the same-origin restriction) does not restrict access to

Re: View modes: more precision on fullscreen

2009-11-09 Thread Marcos Caceres
Robin Berjon wrote: On Nov 9, 2009, at 13:05 , Marcos Caceres wrote: On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Robin Berjon wrote: On Nov 1, 2009, at 18:06 , Marcos Caceres wrote: 2009/10/5 Robin Berjon : it seems to me that there's a missing distinction in our list of view modes: the diffe

Re: View modes: more precision on fullscreen

2009-11-09 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Robin Berjon wrote: > On Nov 1, 2009, at 18:06 , Marcos Caceres wrote: >> >> 2009/10/5 Robin Berjon : >>> >>> it seems to me that there's a missing distinction in our list of view >>> modes: the differen

Re: [WARP] Comments to WARP spec

2009-11-09 Thread Marcos Caceres
SULLIVAN, BRYAN L (ATTCINW) wrote: Hi Marcos, To be clear, your answer addresses point (2) only, and while I realize that the idea proposed may not apply to all valid start files, it nonetheless did address the point of the comment. It may not be the best solution but it is just a start on

Re: TransAnn: LCWD#3 of Widgets 1.0: Packaging and Configuration published 29 October

2009-11-03 Thread Marcos Caceres
Hi All, Phillips, Addison wrote: Thank you, Arthur. We will review this as soon as possible. FYI, using ITS is no longer at risk :) However, it is still an optional feature for a user agent to implement. Also, we are still gathering implementation feedback on the i18n model, but it seems t

[widgets] Definition of Instance was: Comments on Section 6 of the 18-Aug-2009 LCWD of A&E spec

2009-11-03 Thread Marcos Caceres
2009/9/15 Robin Berjon : > On Sep 15, 2009, at 15:46 , Marcos Caceres wrote: >> >> Robin Berjon wrote: >>> >>> On Sep 13, 2009, at 23:23 , Marcos Caceres wrote: >>>> >>>> That is, because widget is assumed to be bound to the global sc

Re: View modes: more precision on fullscreen

2009-11-01 Thread Marcos Caceres
. > > Both desktops and phones tend to have this distinction in one way or another, > so it sounds to me as something that we should expose as well. > > WDYT? > I think application mode already covers this if the application is maximized as you defined it. -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: View modes: more precision on fullscreen

2009-11-01 Thread Marcos Caceres
efault hint for the user agent. Also, I'm wondering if "all" should really just be "any". I guess that is a bike shed, however. -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: FW: [widgets] viewmodes spec

2009-11-01 Thread Marcos Caceres
ave done with P&C and with Dig Sig). Please feel free to contribute some tests. -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

[widgets] Media Type Registration for application/widget

2009-10-28 Thread Marcos Caceres
Dear IETF, As part of the Widgets 1.0: Packaging and Configuration Specification progressing to Last Call, the W3C Web Applications Working Group would like to begin registration procedures for the "application/widget" MIME type. We have written a draft of the registration text for you to rev

Re: [widgets] Draft agenda for 29 October 2009 voice conference; TIME CHANGE FOR US Participants

2009-10-28 Thread Marcos Caceres
me. > 6. Access Requests Policy (WARP) spec >  http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-access/ > > a. Topic list for f2f meeting: > >  http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/TPAC2009Widgets#Access_Requests_Policy_.28WARP.29_spec > > > 7. AOB > > a. No call on Nov 5; next call will be Nov 12 Great! :) See y'all at TuPAC -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: [widgets] Draft agenda for 29 October 2009 voice conference; TIME CHANGE FOR US Participants

2009-10-28 Thread Marcos Caceres
/widgets-api/ > > a. Topic list for f2f meeting: > >  http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/TPAC2009Widgets#The_widget_Interface_.28TWI.29_spec > > > 6. Access Requests Policy (WARP) spec >  http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-access/ > > a. Topic list for f2f meeting: > >  http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/TPAC2009Widgets#Access_Requests_Policy_.28WARP.29_spec > > > 7. AOB > > a. No call on Nov 5; next call will be Nov 12 > > > > -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: [widgets] Comments on LCWD #3

2009-10-28 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Cyril Concolato wrote: > Hi Marcos, > > Marcos Caceres a écrit : >> >> Hi Cyril, >> Thank you for again taking the the time to review the P&C spec... >> comments below. >> >> 2009/10/25 Cyril Concolato : >>

[widgets] P&C Last Call 3

2009-10-27 Thread Marcos Caceres
paths is no longer dependent on encoding. Validity is now simply based on whether a zip path matches the ABNF for a zip relative path. ]] -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: [Widgets] Security Considerations

2009-10-27 Thread Marcos Caceres
ion to a remote host. Mitigation and in-depth defensive measures are an implementation responsibility and not prescribed by this specification. However, in designing these measures, implementers are advised to enable user awareness of information sharing, and to provide easy access to interfaces that enable revocation of permissions. " -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: [widgets] Security Guidelines for Widgets? [Was: Re: [widgets] viewmodes spec]

2009-10-27 Thread Marcos Caceres
.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009OctDec/0364.html This is now in the spec. I've requested people contribute some text. -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

[Widgets] Security Considerations

2009-10-26 Thread Marcos Caceres
on of IRIs within certain elements of a configuration documents, implementers need to consider the security considerations discussed in the [IRI] specification. ]] -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: [widgets] Comments on LCWD #3

2009-10-26 Thread Marcos Caceres
resources. Anyway, I'll let you tell us what you mean. > For example, have you envisaged registering a media type for the XML > configuration file? > No, not yet. However, I don't think it's necessary as it can just be served as application/xml and semantics acted upon from interpreting the namespace. -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: [widgets] Potential bug in Rule for Identifying the Media Type of a File

2009-10-23 Thread Marcos Caceres
h the dot. > So I am ok with the current P&C TSE and await being able to comment the next > LCWD asap. > Ok, lets continue the discussion once we go to LC. -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: [widgets] Potential bug in Rule for Identifying the Media Type of a File

2009-10-22 Thread Marcos Caceres
able, we should only have to add it there and not change > the processing algorithm. > I understand the rationale, but I don't see it as necessary. Lets just cover what is in the spec. In version 2, if we need to support this later, we can add it easily. It won't break backwards compat because we will just be expanding the range. -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: [widgets] Potential bug in Rule for Identifying the Media Type of a File

2009-10-22 Thread Marcos Caceres
amp;C we shall assume that file extension is just any sequence of > characters that occur after the last dot (U+002E FULL STOP) including that > dot. > I really don't understand what you are intending to solve or what you think the spec does here? To be clear: All we want to do is check if the file extension of a file case-insensitively matches one of the extensions in the File Identification Table. If you can't match it, then the MIME type gets resolved with SNIFF. -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: [widgets] Draft Agenda for 22 October 2009 Voice Conf

2009-10-22 Thread Marcos Caceres
lic/public-webapps/2009OctDec/0183.html This has now been addressed. > b. Call for Consensus to publish LCWD #3, based on the TSE version of the > spec: > >  http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/Overview_TSE.html Regrets, Arve and I cannot join the call, but Opera supports publication of th

Re: [widgets] Potential bug in Rule for Identifying the Media Type of a File

2009-10-22 Thread Marcos Caceres
     = 1*allowed-char > file-extension = "." 1*allowed-char > > to: > > file-name      = 1*allowed-char > > (i.e. remove base-name and file-extension). > > The removal of ambiguity is motivated by the dependency of the WURI/WUS spec > on P&am

Re: [widgets] Fail on encrypted archive

2009-10-21 Thread Marcos Caceres
2009/10/15 Robin Berjon : > On Oct 15, 2009, at 13:36 , Marcos Caceres wrote: >> >> The spec currently reads: >> >> "If the Zip archive is encrypted, as defined in [Zip], return an error >> and terminate this algorithm." >> >> Which effect

Re: [widgets] remove feature at risk stuff from P&C before next LCWD is published

2009-10-20 Thread Marcos Caceres
As no one objected, ITS is no longer a feature at risk. It is the WG recommended solution to this particular i18n problem. Kind regards, Marcos On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Marcos Caceres wrote: > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Robin Berjon wrote: >> On Oct 6, 2009, at 12:46

Re: [widgets] Test suite questions

2009-10-20 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Robin Berjon wrote: > On Sep 29, 2009, at 18:14 , Marcos Caceres wrote: >> >> >> ta-VngNBkhUXz: >>        "If the protocol used for acquisition of a potential Zip archive >> does >> not provide, or otherwise includ

[Widgets] Compatibility Matrix for Packaging and Configuration

2009-10-20 Thread Marcos Caceres
Just wanted to let people know about the Widgets Compatibility Matrix for Packaging and Configuration that our Invited Experts, Samuel Santos and Daniel Silva from Present Technologies, and myself, are collaborating on. See: http://samaxes.svn.beanstalkapp.com/widgets_compatibility_matrix/tru

[widgets] Step 5 - allowing private use lang tags

2009-10-19 Thread Marcos Caceres
y, skip all the steps in this algorithm below, and move onto the next range." ]] [1] http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/Overview_TSE.html#step-5--derive-the-user-agents-locale -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

[widgets] Fail on encrypted archive

2009-10-15 Thread Marcos Caceres
widgets as invalid. If a user agent wants to support this, they should be free to do so without the risk of being labeled non-conformant (or otherwise willfully violating the spec). Kind regards, Marcos -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: [public-webapps]

2009-10-13 Thread Marcos Caceres
s accepted, it be nice if we did this for all the widget specs (i.e., drop "1.0") :) -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: [widgets] Potential bug in Rule for Identifying the Media Type of a File

2009-10-12 Thread Marcos Caceres
" / "(" / ")" / "&" / "+" / "," / "=" / "[" / "]" / "." UTF8-2 = %xC2-DF UTF8-tail UTF8-3 = %xE0 %xA0-BF UTF8-tail / %xE1-EC 2( UTF8-tail ) / %xED %x80-9F UTF8-tail / %xEE-EF 2( UTF8-tail ) UTF8-4 = %xF0 %x90-BF 2( UTF8-tail ) / %xF1-F3 3( UTF8-tail ) / %xF4 %x80-8F 2( UTF8-tail ) UTF8-tail = %x80-BF language-range = (1*8low-alpha / "*") *("-" (1*8alphanum / "*")) alphanum = low-alpha / DIGIT low-alpha = %x61-71 [1] http://www.quut.com/abnfgen/ (using abnfgen path.abnf | xargs mkdir -p ) [SNIFF] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-abarth-mime-sniff-03 [3] http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/Overview_TSE.html#default-icons-table -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: [widgets] Dropping xml:lang on icon elements

2009-10-12 Thread Marcos Caceres
Robin Berjon wrote: Hey Marcos, On Oct 9, 2009, at 16:07 , Marcos Caceres wrote: On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Robin Berjon wrote: On Oct 9, 2009, at 13:33 , Marcos Caceres wrote: For simplicity, keeping a two-dimensional lookup of media type × locales folder makes the implementation

Re: [widgets] Dropping xml:lang on icon elements

2009-10-09 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Arthur Barstow wrote: > Marcos, > > On Oct 9, 2009, at 7:33 AM, ext Marcos Caceres wrote: > >> 3. In Step 7, step 7 gets dropped. > > > Just so we all clearly understand your #3 above, do you mean delete all of > step #7 (including it

Re: [widgets] Dropping xml:lang on icon elements

2009-10-09 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Robin Berjon wrote: > On Oct 9, 2009, at 13:33 , Marcos Caceres wrote: >> >> For simplicity, keeping a two-dimensional lookup of media type × >> locales folder makes the implementation easiest and yields the least >> surprises. >

[widgets] Dropping xml:lang on icon elements

2009-10-09 Thread Marcos Caceres
lang: Yes, multiple repetitions of the same xml:lang value are allowed. ]] Becomes: [[ Localizable via xml:lang: No. Relies on folder-based localization. ]] 2. the concept of "elements are grouped by language" gets removed from the Element-Based Localization section. 3. In Ste

Re: [widgets] P+C spec doesn't normatively state whether attributes are required or not

2009-10-08 Thread Marcos Caceres
will be able to process. http://www.w3.org/ns/widgets"; /> ]] Kind regards, Marcos On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Marcos Caceres wrote: > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Arthur Barstow wrote: >> On Oct 7, 2009, at 10:11 AM, ext Marcos Caceres wrote: >> >>>

Re: [widgets] P+C spec doesn't normatively state whether attributes are required or not

2009-10-07 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Arthur Barstow wrote: > On Oct 7, 2009, at 10:11 AM, ext Marcos Caceres wrote: > >> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Arthur Barstow >> wrote: >>> >>> On Oct 7, 2009, at 9:25 AM, ext Marcos Caceres wrote: >>> >>&

Re: [widgets] P+C spec doesn't normatively state whether attributes are required or not

2009-10-07 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Arthur Barstow wrote: > On Oct 7, 2009, at 9:25 AM, ext Marcos Caceres wrote: > >> (Apologies up front, the following is going to to seem like a rather >> dumb and slightly condescending discussion. I honestly do not mean it >> to be, but

Re: [widgets] P+C spec doesn't normatively state whether attributes are required or not

2009-10-07 Thread Marcos Caceres
algorithm and treat this widget package as an invalid Zip archive. If the root element is not a widget element in the widget namespace, then the user agent must terminate this algorithm and treat this widget package as an invalid Zip archive. ]] Kind regards, Marcos -- Marcos Caceres http://datadriven.com.au

Re: [widgets] remove feature at risk stuff from P&C before next LCWD is published

2009-10-07 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Robin Berjon wrote: > On Oct 6, 2009, at 12:46 , Marcos Caceres wrote: >> >> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Arthur Barstow >> wrote: >>> >>> Do we have any evidence at all that it (as defined in the 23-July-2009 >>&

Re: [widgets] remove feature at risk stuff from P&C before next LCWD is published

2009-10-06 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Arthur Barstow wrote: > On Oct 6, 2009, at 6:34 AM, ext Marcos Caceres wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Arthur Barstow >> wrote: >>> >>> Marcsos, All, - given the next publication of the widgets P&C spec will

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