Re: Kickoff application manifest work

2013-06-26 Thread Mounir Lamouri
On 24/06/13 12:24, Robin Berjon wrote: > * When Mozilla made this restriction (I don't know if it's still in > place) for its apps, developers complained. Having multiple sub-domains is more complex than creating a directory for a developer. Also, sometimes, it is not possible, depending on your h

Re: Kickoff application manifest work

2013-06-25 Thread Charles McCathie Nevile
On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:49:09 +0400, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: All of this information can of course be duplicated in each HTML page that an application consists of. But that's a lot of information duplication. It would definitely put

Re: Kickoff application manifest work

2013-06-25 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: > All of this information can of course be duplicated in each HTML page that > an application consists of. But that's a lot of information duplication. It > would definitely put some hard requirements on that generation of HTML pages > is alwa

Re: Kickoff application manifest work

2013-06-24 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Jun 19, 2013 6:57 AM, "Anne van Kesteren" wrote: > > On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Marcos Caceres wrote: > > The current proposal can be found here: > > http://manifest.sysapps.org/ > > I wonder to what extent we actually need a manifest. I think it's main > benefit might be in grouping a s

Re: Kickoff application manifest work

2013-06-24 Thread Robin Berjon
On 19/06/2013 08:35 , Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Tobie Langel wrote: It would be interesting to list the downsides of this approach to see if the tradeoff is worth making. Downsides: * More DNS queries. * More effort to deploy a simple one page application. *

Re: Kickoff application manifest work

2013-06-21 Thread Scott Wilson
On 19 Jun 2013, at 07:59, Charles McCathie Nevile wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 06:56:13 +0200, Anne van Kesteren > wrote: > >> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Marcos Caceres wrote: >>> The current proposal can be found here: >>> http://manifest.sysapps.org/ >> >> I wonder to what extent we a

Re: Kickoff application manifest work

2013-06-21 Thread Charles McCathie Nevile
On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 09:15:30 +0200, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Charles McCathie Nevile wrote: One of the scenarios I have in mind is where a few apps from an origin use some common stuff. Which is obviously increasing the attack surface in the way that you m

Re: Kickoff application manifest work

2013-06-21 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Charles McCathie Nevile wrote: > One of the scenarios I have in mind is where a few apps from an origin use > some common stuff. Which is obviously increasing the attack surface in the > way that you mention, but if the same people are forced to use different > ori

Re: Kickoff application manifest work

2013-06-19 Thread Charles McCathie Nevile
On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 11:27:33 +0200, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Charles McCathie Nevile wrote: On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 06:56:13 +0200, Anne van Kesteren wrote: Downside of that approach is increased attack surface for a suite [of] applications Can you please ex

Re: Kickoff application manifest work

2013-06-19 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Charles McCathie Nevile wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 06:56:13 +0200, Anne van Kesteren > wrote: >> Downside of that approach is increased attack surface for a suite >> [of] applications > > Can you please expand on that? Say you have http://example.org/mail/ and

Re: Kickoff application manifest work

2013-06-19 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Karl Dubost wrote: > There are similar discussions in ebook (ePub format) communities. It is not > solved yet. The current manifest system is a bit tedious and they try to come > up with something that would be easier to create in terms of authoring. Yeah, whate

Re: Kickoff application manifest work

2013-06-19 Thread Karl Dubost
Charles McCathie Nevile [2013-06-19T02:59]: > I think pretty much any mechanism that groups pages *is* a manifest. There are similar discussions in ebook (ePub format) communities. It is not solved yet. The current manifest system is a bit tedious and they try to come up with something that wou

Re: Kickoff application manifest work

2013-06-19 Thread Charles McCathie Nevile
On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 06:56:13 +0200, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Marcos Caceres wrote: The current proposal can be found here: http://manifest.sysapps.org/ I wonder to what extent we actually need a manifest. I think it's main benefit might be in grouping a s

Re: Kickoff application manifest work

2013-06-18 Thread Tobie Langel
On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Tobie Langel (mailto:to...@w3.org)> wrote: > > It would be interesting to list the downsides of this approach to see if > > the tradeoff is worth making. > > Downsides: > > * More DNS queries. >

Re: Kickoff application manifest work

2013-06-18 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Tobie Langel wrote: > It would be interesting to list the downsides of this approach to see if the > tradeoff is worth making. Downsides: * More DNS queries. * More effort to deploy a simple one page application. * Incompatible with existing web application infr

Re: Kickoff application manifest work

2013-06-18 Thread Simon Pieters
On 6/19/13 6:56 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: It might be though that maybe we should put the boundary for applications on the web on the origin level. It would certainly be extremely convenient and allow for a whole bunch of simplifications. My immediate reaction is that this would be best. Anyt

Re: Kickoff application manifest work

2013-06-18 Thread Tobie Langel
On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 at 6:56 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: > It might be though that maybe we should put the boundary for > applications on the web on the origin level. It would certainly be > extremely convenient and allow for a whole bunch of simplifications. I feel the same way. It would

Re: Kickoff application manifest work

2013-06-18 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Marcos Caceres wrote: > The current proposal can be found here: > http://manifest.sysapps.org/ I wonder to what extent we actually need a manifest. I think it's main benefit might be in grouping a set of pages, but whether that needs to be via a manifest I'm less

Re: Kickoff application manifest work

2013-06-18 Thread Marcos Caceres
Ping… anyone wanna work with me on this? On Tuesday, 14 May 2013 at 11:47, Marcos Caceres wrote: > While we transition the application manifest spec from SysApps to WebApps, > I'd like to kick off discussion by encouraging people to either discuss the > current proposal here or over on GitHub.

Kickoff application manifest work

2013-05-14 Thread Marcos Caceres
While we transition the application manifest spec from SysApps to WebApps, I'd like to kick off discussion by encouraging people to either discuss the current proposal here or over on GitHub. The current proposal can be found here: http://manifest.sysapps.org/ Repo is here: https://github.com