On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote:
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Marcos Caceres marc...@opera.com wrote:
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Julian Reschke julian.resc...@gmx.de
wrote:
Marcos Caceres wrote:
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Yeah, you are right. I guess we get so
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 4:01 AM, Alex Russell a...@dojotoolkit.org wrote:
On Dec 18, 2009, at 3:09 PM, Marcos Caceres wrote:
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 4:40 AM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote:
On Dec 17, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Klotz, Leigh wrote:
OK, so is the conclusion that XHR is
Marcos Caceres wrote:
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Yeah, you are right. I guess we get so used to having these crappy
retrospective APIs around that one forgets that things could be done
in better ways - thankfully decent frameworks have been built around
them to make these things usable.
...
Maybe that could be a
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Julian Reschke julian.resc...@gmx.de wrote:
Marcos Caceres wrote:
...
Yeah, you are right. I guess we get so used to having these crappy
retrospective APIs around that one forgets that things could be done
in better ways - thankfully decent frameworks have
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Marcos Caceres marc...@opera.com wrote:
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Julian Reschke julian.resc...@gmx.de
wrote:
Marcos Caceres wrote:
...
Yeah, you are right. I guess we get so used to having these crappy
retrospective APIs around that one forgets
On Dec 16, 2009, at 21:47, Klotz, Leigh wrote:
I'd like to suggest that the main issue is dependency of the XHR document on
concepts where HTML5 is the only specification that defines several core
concepts of the Web platform architecture, such as event loops, event handler
attributes,
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Subject: Re: XMLHttpRequest Comments from W3C Forms WG
On Dec 16, 2009, at 21:47, Klotz, Leigh wrote:
I'd like to suggest that the main issue is dependency of the XHR document on
concepts where HTML5 is the only specification that defines several core
concepts of the Web
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Klotz, Leigh leigh.kl...@xerox.com wrote:
If XHR is wholly dependent on HTML5 then it should either be moved into the
HTML5 recommendation-track document, or renamed XHR for HTML5. Ian has
made a point that modularizing HTML5 itself is a large task; it's not
Comments from W3C Forms WG
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Klotz, Leigh
leigh.kl...@xerox.com wrote: If XHR is wholly dependent on
HTML5 then it should either be moved into the HTML5
recommendation-track document, or renamed XHR for HTML5. Ian
has made a point
, Leigh
Cc: Henri Sivonen; Anne van Kesteren; WebApps WG; Forms WG
Subject: Re: XMLHttpRequest Comments from W3C Forms WG
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I don't think I understand your suggested changes. As long as the concepts
that XHR uses are only defined in the
HTML5 spec, XHR will always require that those
From: Anne van Kesteren annevk at opera.com
Subject: Re: [XHR] LC comments from the XForms Working Group
Date: 2009-10-08 15:31:27 GMT
On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 05:24:48 +0200, Boris Zbarsky bzbarsky at mit.edu
wrote:
Anne van Kesteren wrote:
It would change the conformance
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote:
From: Anne van Kesteren annevk at opera.com
Subject: Re: [XHR] LC comments from the XForms Working Group
Date: 2009-10-08 15:31:27 GMT
On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 05:24:48 +0200, Boris Zbarsky bzbarsky at mit.edu
wrote:
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From: Jonas Sicking [mailto:jo...@sicking.cc]
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:54 AM
To: Klotz, Leigh
Cc: Henri Sivonen; Anne van Kesteren; WebApps WG; Forms WG
Subject: Re: XMLHttpRequest Comments from W3C Forms WG
...snip
And then go on to cite
: XMLHttpRequest Comments from W3C Forms WG
...snip
Though I just realized that I'm not sure all dependencies can be solved this
way. How would you for example break the dependency on the event loop,
currently only specified in the HTML5 spec (but implemented in basically every
piece of software
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Klotz, Leigh leigh.kl...@xerox.com wrote:
Jonas,
I'm not sure how the dependency is specified in the XHR draft. Can you point
me to it? The word event loop doesn't appear.
The term queue a task is defined in HTML5, and uses the event loop.
/ Jonas
-Original Message-
From: Jonas Sicking [mailto:jo...@sicking.cc]
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:33 AM
To: Klotz, Leigh
Cc: Henri Sivonen; Anne van Kesteren; WebApps WG; Forms WG
Subject: Re: XMLHttpRequest Comments from W3C Forms WG
On Thu, Dec 17
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Subject: Re: XMLHttpRequest Comments from W3C Forms WG
On 12/17/09 2:10 PM, Klotz, Leigh wrote:
I'd be surprised if some of these aren't terms already defined elsewhere.
URL for example, is surely not given a different definition in HTML5 from
the definition in RFC 3986
On 12/17/09 2:22 PM, Klotz, Leigh wrote:
Thank you for the clarification. Surely then this ought to be fixed with an
IETF or W3C document describing this fact
After some pushback, there is in fact such a document being worked on.
It's not quite far enough to reference normatively last I
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Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:38 PM
To: Klotz, Leigh
Cc: WebApps WG; Forms WG
Subject: Re: XMLHttpRequest Comments from W3C Forms WG
On 12/17/09 2:22 PM, Klotz, Leigh wrote:
Thank you for the clarification. Surely then this ought to be fixed
with an IETF or W3C
HTML5 for
reference.
Leigh.
-Original Message-
From: Boris Zbarsky [mailto:bzbar...@mit.edu]
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:38 PM
To: Klotz, Leigh
Cc: WebApps WG; Forms WG
Subject: Re: XMLHttpRequest Comments from W3C Forms WG
On 12/17/09 2:22 PM, Klotz, Leigh wrote:
Thank
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Subject: Re: XMLHttpRequest Comments from W3C Forms WG
As Ian already has mentioned. No one is disputing that most of these things
should be factored out of the HTML5 spec. But so far no one has stepped up to
that task. Until someone does we'll have to live with the reality
On Dec 17, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
On 12/17/09 2:22 PM, Klotz, Leigh wrote:
Thank you for the clarification. Surely then this ought to be
fixed with an IETF or W3C document describing this fact
After some pushback, there is in fact such a document being worked
on. It's
: Boris Zbarsky; WebApps WG; Forms WG
Subject: Re: XMLHttpRequest Comments from W3C Forms WG
As Ian already has mentioned. No one is disputing that most of these
things should be factored out of the HTML5 spec. But so far no one
has stepped up to that task. Until someone does we'll have to live
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:46:59 +0100, Klotz, Leigh leigh.kl...@xerox.com
wrote:
This comment on XMLHttpRequest [1] is from the Forms WG.
A standalone W3C Recommendation-track document is welcome, particularly
because of the statement in [2] The goal of this specification is to
document a
van Kesteren [mailto:ann...@opera.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 6:54 AM
To: Klotz, Leigh; WebApps WG
Cc: Forms WG
Subject: Re: XMLHttpRequest Comments from W3C Forms WG
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:46:59 +0100, Klotz, Leigh leigh.kl...@xerox.com
wrote:
This comment on XMLHttpRequest [1
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Subject: RE: XMLHttpRequest Comments from W3C Forms WG
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Klotz, Leigh wrote:
Therefore, even in the light of the changes in details I've cited (and
your kind corrections for my errors and outdated imformation), our
request that you abstract out
, December 16, 2009 12:04 PM
To: Klotz, Leigh
Cc: Ian Hickson; Anne van Kesteren; WebApps WG; Forms WG
Subject: Re: XMLHttpRequest Comments from W3C Forms WG
Note that just referring to a few specific concepts defined in HTML5 does not
force anyone to implement the rest of HTML5. As things stand right
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Klotz, Leigh wrote:
Therefore, even in the light of the changes in details I've cited
(and your kind corrections for my errors and outdated imformation),
our request that you abstract out the dependencies on HTML5 into a
separate document (perhaps part of the
, Leigh
Cc: Anne van Kesteren; WebApps WG; Forms WG
Subject: RE: XMLHttpRequest Comments from W3C Forms WG
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Klotz, Leigh wrote:
Therefore, even in the light of the changes in details I've cited
(and your kind corrections for my errors and outdated
imformation), our
On 11/25/09 3:46 PM, Klotz, Leigh wrote:
The XMLHttpRequest functionality described in this document has
previously been well isolated, and in fact XHR itself has beeen
implemented by a number of different desktop browser vendors by
copying the original implementations.
Note that these were
: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:54 PM
To: Klotz, Leigh
Cc: public-webapps@w3.org; Forms WG
Subject: Re: XMLHttpRequest Comments from W3C Forms WG
On 11/25/09 3:46 PM, Klotz, Leigh wrote:
The XMLHttpRequest functionality described in this document has
previously been well isolated, and in fact
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Behalf Of Klotz, Leigh
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 1:27 PM
To: Boris Zbarsky
Cc: public-webapps@w3.org; Forms WG
Subject: RE: XMLHttpRequest Comments from W3C Forms WG
Boris,
Thank you for your response. I appreciate your asking the clarifying
questions. I'll put some
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