Re: solving the CPU usage issue for non-visible pages

2009-10-21 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Ennals, Robert robert.enn...@intel.com wrote: On Tuesday, October 20, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Ennals, Robert

Re: solving the CPU usage issue for non-visible pages

2009-10-21 Thread Thomas Broyer
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:16 AM, Robert O'Callahan wrote: There are lots of reasons why the browser might deduce that the user is not paying attention to a document, e.g. -- the browser window containing the document is minimized -- the tab containing the document is hidden -- the document

Re: childElements, childElementCount, and children

2009-10-21 Thread Simon Pieters
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:07:47 +0200, Doug Schepers schep...@w3.org wrote: I don't feel too strongly about having both .children and .childElements, but I do think that .children is a little problematic for authors... they will always have to check to see if Comment nodes are included,

[Bug 7938] SECURITY_ERR when disallowing Database open is inconsistent with QUOTA_EXCEEDED_ERR for disallowing setItem

2009-10-21 Thread bugzilla
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7938 Ian 'Hixie' Hickson i...@hixie.ch changed: What|Removed |Added CC||i...@hixie.ch

Re: solving the CPU usage issue for non-visible pages

2009-10-21 Thread Brian Kardell
I like window.hasAttention if you can even vaguely define what it means... It's pointless to make it so vague that useful things will work differently in different browsers by accident rather than by design (for example, it might be ok for mobile devices to work differently by design, but it would

Re: solving the CPU usage issue for non-visible pages

2009-10-21 Thread Brian Kardell
Right... Not to beat the point - but page or window? :) You said page again and I'm just trying to get some clarity... On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Ennals, Robert robert.enn...@intel.com wrote: [my last attempt at an inline reply seems to have interacted strangely with Maciej's email

Re: childElements, childElementCount, and children (was: [ElementTraversal]: Feature string for DOMImplementation.hasFeature(feature, version)?)

2009-10-21 Thread Brian Kardell
@deprecated ? :) On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: I agree. The reason I phrased it as I did was to contrast with my previous remarks. The children attribute should be part of

Re: solving the CPU usage issue for non-visible pages

2009-10-21 Thread Brian Kardell
So.. I wound up speaking to Robert offline and in our discussion his comments became much clearer to me and I think that it's at least worth documenting in case anyone else misunderstands as I did (even historically via the archive). There are really a few proposals here which are sort of only

Re: childElements, childElementCount, and children (was: [ElementTraversal]: Feature string for DOMImplementation.hasFeature(feature, version)?)

2009-10-21 Thread Brian Kardell
In this particular case, I think anything that's implemented in all of the major browser engines should be an official standard, not just de facto. Why only in this particular case? :) As a rule that seems like sound guidance. If it's implemented everywhere, shouldn't you have to make a

Web security bar-BOF during week of 2 November?

2009-10-21 Thread Arthur Barstow
FYI, Thomas is organizing a bar-BOF during TPAC meeting week re Web security. See below for more information including a Doodle registration poll. -R, Art Barstow Begin forwarded message: From: ext Thomas Roessler t...@w3.org Date: October 20, 2009 1:32:07 PM EDT Folks, as a quick

IETF HyBi BoF

2009-10-21 Thread Salvatore Loreto
hi there, if you didn't know, there will be a HyBi BoF on Tuesday 10th November, at the next IETF in Hiroshima. The Hypertext-Bidirectional (HyBI) working group will seek standardization of approaches that can be used to communicate with one another in both directions. In particular, the

Re: solving the CPU usage issue for non-visible pages

2009-10-21 Thread Brian Kardell
So... in describing this feature: Is it really the visibility of the page that is being queried - or the some kind of state of a window? Maybe it's a silly bit of semantics, but it seems clearer to me that most of the things discussed here are about a whole window/tab being minimized (either to

Re: solving the CPU usage issue for non-visible pages

2009-10-21 Thread Brian Kardell
I suppose I should not have used that phrasing... It wasn't really accurate and it obscures my point... My point was that I actually wanted it to run in the background... So - does time stop, or just rendering? I think that you have to be very clear. On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Robert

[widgets] Draft Agenda for 22 October 2009 Voice Conf

2009-10-21 Thread Arthur Barstow
Below is the draft agenda for the October 22 Widgets Voice Conference (VC). Inputs and discussion before the VC on all of the agenda topics via public-webapps is encouraged (as it can result in a shortened meeting). Please address Open/Raised Issues and Open Actions before the meeting:

Re: Web Notifications, do we need a new spec?

2009-10-21 Thread Dominique Hazael-Massieux
(adding the Device APIs Working Group mailing list in CC:) Hi John, Web Apps Le lundi 19 octobre 2009 à 14:12 -0700, John Gregg a écrit : Apologies for the delay, I've been spending the majority of my time completing the initial implementation for Chrome, but I've posted a draft version of a

Re: [widgets] Fail on encrypted archive

2009-10-21 Thread Marcos Caceres
2009/10/15 Robin Berjon ro...@berjon.com: On Oct 15, 2009, at 13:36 , Marcos Caceres wrote: The spec currently reads: If the Zip archive is encrypted, as defined in [Zip], return an error and terminate this algorithm. Which effectively results in Zip encrypted widgets being treated as

Re: Web Notifications, do we need a new spec?

2009-10-21 Thread Jeremy Orlow
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Dominique Hazael-Massieux d...@w3.orgwrote: (adding the Device APIs Working Group mailing list in CC:) Hi John, Web Apps Le lundi 19 octobre 2009 à 14:12 -0700, John Gregg a écrit : Apologies for the delay, I've been spending the majority of my time

RE: solving the CPU usage issue for non-visible pages

2009-10-21 Thread Ennals, Robert
[hoping that quoting works better this time] On Oct 20, 2009, at 7:41 PM, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: On Oct 20, 2009, at 7:13 PM, Ennals, Robert wrote: [snip] I'd even be tempted to risk breaking existing applications a little bit and make the *default* behavior for HTML5 pages be that time

FPWD of API for Media Resource 1.0 published

2009-10-21 Thread Arthur Barstow
As expected, the Media Annotations WG has published a First Public Working Draft (FPWD) of their API for Media Resource 1.0: [[ http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-mediaont-api-1.0-20091020/ Abstract This specification defines a client-side API to access metadata information related to media

Implementation of the widget signing spec

2009-10-21 Thread Andreas Kuehne
Hi all, I would like to let you know that we finished the implementation of the widget signing spec within our open sourced signing server. As an implementaion of the OASIS DSS spec we focus on server side signature creation. The server side processing of signing process offers some advantages

Re: [Bug 7938] SECURITY_ERR when disallowing Database open is inconsistent with QUOTA_EXCEEDED_ERR for disallowing setItem

2009-10-21 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, Nikunj R. Mehta wrote: The editor's response is fine but why is it asking me to escalate the issue to the HTML WG? The specs are being discussed in the WebApps WG. My bad, I was just going through all the bugs and didn't notice this one wasn't part of the HTMLWG list.