Re: i18n comments: (was: [widgets] Span example)

2010-03-27 Thread Felix Sasaki 
The spec itself looks fine. It seems that the schema at
http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-schema/widgets.rnc
is not up to date yet. It still contains the *ITS* dir attribute, e.g. at

elem.author = element author {
attr.xmllang?,
attr.itsdir?,
attribute href { xsd:anyURI }?,
attribute email { xsd:string { pattern=@.+ } }?,
text?
}

I think you need to rename attr.itsdir to attr.dir , and change
attr.itsdir = attribute its:dir { ltr | rtl | lro | rlo }
to
attr.dir = attribute dir { ltr | rtl | lro | rlo }

Best,

Felix

2010/3/26 Richard Ishida ish...@w3.org

 [Changing the subject to keep the review comment thread clean]

 Personally, I think we're ok with the changes.

 RI

 
 Richard Ishida
 Internationalization Lead
 W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)

 http://www.w3.org/International/
 http://rishida.net/




  -Original Message-
  From: Arthur Barstow [mailto:art.bars...@nokia.com]
  Sent: 19 March 2010 11:49
  To: Richard Ishida; Addison Phillips; Felix Sasaki;
 public-i18n-c...@w3.org
  Cc: public-webapps; Marcos Caceres
  Subject: Re: [widgets] Span example
 
  Richard, Addison, Felix, All,
 
  Based on my conversations with Marcos and reading this thread, it is
  my understanding that you support:
 
  a) the new span element and dir attribute model Marcos added to the
  Widget PC spec [PC-ED] and consequently,
 
  b) the removal of the ITS references that were in the December CR
  [PC-CR].
 
  Would you please confirm this or if my understanding is not correct,
  please elaborate on any remaining issues?
 
  Also, if you have any feedback on the 60 related test cases Marcos
  created, please reply to the thread he used to announce those test
  cases:
 
[widgets] dir and span tests
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JanMar/
  0845.html
 
  -Thanks, Art Barstow
 
  [PC-ED] http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/
  [PC-CR] http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/CR-widgets-20091201/
 
 
  On Mar 16, 2010, at 3:15 PM, ext Marcos Caceres wrote:
 
   Hi Richard,
  
   Added the example at:
   http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/#span
  
   Please see also the examples for the dir attribute:
   http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/#dir
  
   Thanks again for all your time and help!
  
   On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Richard Ishida ish...@w3.org wrote:
   [This is a continuation of one part of the http://lists.w3.org/
   Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2010JanMar/0043.html thread.]
  
   It addresses the comment:
  
   [[  7.16. The span Element  http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/
   #the-span-element-and-its-attributes
   [2] I think the example could be improved by having something
   inside the span with punctuation (eg. exclamation mark) or such,
   and maybe the description should be in English - otherwise you'd
   probably want to put the dir on the widget tag and have English in
   the span. Should I try to find another example ?
   ]] at http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/0907-widgets-pc/
  
  
   Here's my proposed example (thanks to Aharon Lanin for helping
   with the Hebrew).  I made up something that might appear in a
   Hebrew widget, rather than an English one, since it's a little
   more realistic.
  
   widget
xmlns=http://www.w3.org/ns/widgets;
xml:lang=he dir=rtl
name xml:lang=enGPS Weather!/name
description
 יישומון ה-span dir=rtl xml:lang=enGPS Weather!/
   span מאפשר לך לבדוק את מזג האוויר בכל
   נקודת GPS ברחבי העולם.
/description
   /widget
  
   Here's a version ready to drop into HTML (I suggest you copy it as
   a unit, to avoid problems with the bidirectional text.)
  
   lt;widget
xmlns=quot;http://www.w3.org/ns/widgetsquot;
xml:lang=quot;hequot; dir=quot;rtlquot;gt;
lt;name xml:lang=quot;enquot;gt;GPS Weather!lt;/namegt;
lt;description
 יישומון ה-lt;span dir=quot;rtlquot;
   xml:lang=quot;enquot;gt;GPS Weather!lt;/spangt; מאפשר
   לך לבדוק את מזג האוויר בכל נקודת GPS
   ברחבי העולם.
lt;/descriptiongt;
   lt;/widgetgt;
  
  
  
  
   --
   Marcos Caceres
   http://datadriven.com.au
  
 
 
  No virus found in this incoming message.
  Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
  Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2755 - Release Date: 03/20/10
  19:33:00

Re: i18n comments: (was: [widgets] Span example)

2010-03-27 Thread Marcos Caceres 



On Mar 27, 2010, at 9:07 AM, Felix Sasaki felix.sas...@fh-potsdam.de  
wrote:



The spec itself looks fine. It seems that the schema at
http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-schema/widgets.rnc
is not up to date yet. It still contains the *ITS* dir attribute,  
e.g. at


elem.author = element author {
attr.xmllang?,
attr.itsdir?,
attribute href { xsd:anyURI }?,
attribute email { xsd:string { pattern=@.+ } }?,
text?
}

I think you need to rename attr.itsdir to attr.dir , and change
attr.itsdir = attribute its:dir { ltr | rtl | lro | rlo }
to
attr.dir = attribute dir { ltr | rtl | lro | rlo }



Thanks Felix, I will update the schema. However, the BIDI spec warns,  
for security reasons, to avoid the overrides so I didn't include them  
into our spec. Should I put lro and rlo into the spec regardless? the  
spec now contains a note about this in the dir section:


Note:
Under the guidance of the [BIDI] specification, the values that would  
allow directional overrides in this specifications, namely Left-to- 
Right Override (LRO) and Right-to-Left Override (RLO), have  
deliberately been left out of this specification because of security  
concerns (see [UTR36]). Authors wanting to override the [BIDI]  
algorithm can do so by using [XML] entities and the appropriate  
Unicode directional markers.






Best,

Felix

2010/3/26 Richard Ishida ish...@w3.org
[Changing the subject to keep the review comment thread clean]

Personally, I think we're ok with the changes.

RI


Richard Ishida
Internationalization Lead
W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)

http://www.w3.org/International/
http://rishida.net/




 -Original Message-
 From: Arthur Barstow [mailto:art.bars...@nokia.com]
 Sent: 19 March 2010 11:49
 To: Richard Ishida; Addison Phillips; Felix Sasaki; public-i18n-c...@w3.org
 Cc: public-webapps; Marcos Caceres
 Subject: Re: [widgets] Span example

 Richard, Addison, Felix, All,

 Based on my conversations with Marcos and reading this thread, it is
 my understanding that you support:

 a) the new span element and dir attribute model Marcos added to  
the

 Widget PC spec [PC-ED] and consequently,

 b) the removal of the ITS references that were in the December CR
 [PC-CR].

 Would you please confirm this or if my understanding is not correct,
 please elaborate on any remaining issues?

 Also, if you have any feedback on the 60 related test cases Marcos
 created, please reply to the thread he used to announce those test
 cases:

   [widgets] dir and span tests
   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JanMar/
 0845.html

 -Thanks, Art Barstow

 [PC-ED] http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/
 [PC-CR] http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/CR-widgets-20091201/


 On Mar 16, 2010, at 3:15 PM, ext Marcos Caceres wrote:

  Hi Richard,
 
  Added the example at:
  http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/#span
 
  Please see also the examples for the dir attribute:
  http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/#dir
 
  Thanks again for all your time and help!
 
  On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Richard Ishida ish...@w3.org  
wrote:

  [This is a continuation of one part of the http://lists.w3.org/
  Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2010JanMar/0043.html thread.]
 
  It addresses the comment:
 
  [[  7.16. The span Element  http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/
  #the-span-element-and-its-attributes
  [2] I think the example could be improved by having something
  inside the span with punctuation (eg. exclamation mark) or such,
  and maybe the description should be in English - otherwise you'd
  probably want to put the dir on the widget tag and have English  
in

  the span. Should I try to find another example ?
  ]] at http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/0907-widgets-pc/
 
 
  Here's my proposed example (thanks to Aharon Lanin for helping
  with the Hebrew).  I made up something that might appear in a
  Hebrew widget, rather than an English one, since it's a little
  more realistic.
 
  widget
   xmlns=http://www.w3.org/ns/widgets;
   xml:lang=he dir=rtl
   name xml:lang=enGPS Weather!/name
   description
יישומון ה-span dir=rtl xml:lang=enGPS Weather!/
  span מאפשר לך לבדוק את מזג האוויר בכל
  נקודת GPS ברחבי העולם.
   /description
  /widget
 
  Here's a version ready to drop into HTML (I suggest you copy it  
as

  a unit, to avoid problems with the bidirectional text.)
 
  lt;widget
   xmlns=quot;http://www.w3.org/ns/widgetsquot;
   xml:lang=quot;hequot; dir=quot;rtlquot;gt;
   lt;name xml:lang=quot;enquot;gt;GPS Weather!lt;/namegt;
   lt;description
יישומון ה-lt;span dir=quot;rtlquot;
  xml:lang=quot;enquot;gt;GPS Weather!lt;/spangt; מאפשר
  לך לבדוק את מזג האוויר בכל נקודת GPS
  ברחבי העולם.
   lt;/descriptiongt;
  lt;/widgetgt;
 
 
 
 
  --
  Marcos Caceres
  http://datadriven.com.au
 


 No virus found in this incoming message.
 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
 Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2755 - Release Date:  
03/20/10

 19:33:00

i18n comments: (was: [widgets] Span example)

2010-03-26 Thread Richard Ishida 
[Changing the subject to keep the review comment thread clean]

Personally, I think we're ok with the changes.

RI


Richard Ishida
Internationalization Lead
W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)

http://www.w3.org/International/
http://rishida.net/




 -Original Message-
 From: Arthur Barstow [mailto:art.bars...@nokia.com]
 Sent: 19 March 2010 11:49
 To: Richard Ishida; Addison Phillips; Felix Sasaki; public-i18n-c...@w3.org
 Cc: public-webapps; Marcos Caceres
 Subject: Re: [widgets] Span example
 
 Richard, Addison, Felix, All,
 
 Based on my conversations with Marcos and reading this thread, it is
 my understanding that you support:
 
 a) the new span element and dir attribute model Marcos added to the
 Widget PC spec [PC-ED] and consequently,
 
 b) the removal of the ITS references that were in the December CR
 [PC-CR].
 
 Would you please confirm this or if my understanding is not correct,
 please elaborate on any remaining issues?
 
 Also, if you have any feedback on the 60 related test cases Marcos
 created, please reply to the thread he used to announce those test
 cases:
 
   [widgets] dir and span tests
   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JanMar/
 0845.html
 
 -Thanks, Art Barstow
 
 [PC-ED] http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/
 [PC-CR] http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/CR-widgets-20091201/
 
 
 On Mar 16, 2010, at 3:15 PM, ext Marcos Caceres wrote:
 
  Hi Richard,
 
  Added the example at:
  http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/#span
 
  Please see also the examples for the dir attribute:
  http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/#dir
 
  Thanks again for all your time and help!
 
  On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Richard Ishida ish...@w3.org wrote:
  [This is a continuation of one part of the http://lists.w3.org/
  Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2010JanMar/0043.html thread.]
 
  It addresses the comment:
 
  [[  7.16. The span Element  http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/
  #the-span-element-and-its-attributes
  [2] I think the example could be improved by having something
  inside the span with punctuation (eg. exclamation mark) or such,
  and maybe the description should be in English - otherwise you'd
  probably want to put the dir on the widget tag and have English in
  the span. Should I try to find another example ?
  ]] at http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/0907-widgets-pc/
 
 
  Here's my proposed example (thanks to Aharon Lanin for helping
  with the Hebrew).  I made up something that might appear in a
  Hebrew widget, rather than an English one, since it's a little
  more realistic.
 
  widget
   xmlns=http://www.w3.org/ns/widgets;
   xml:lang=he dir=rtl
   name xml:lang=enGPS Weather!/name
   description
יישומון ה-span dir=rtl xml:lang=enGPS Weather!/
  span מאפשר לך לבדוק את מזג האוויר בכל
  נקודת GPS ברחבי העולם.
   /description
  /widget
 
  Here's a version ready to drop into HTML (I suggest you copy it as
  a unit, to avoid problems with the bidirectional text.)
 
  lt;widget
   xmlns=quot;http://www.w3.org/ns/widgetsquot;
   xml:lang=quot;hequot; dir=quot;rtlquot;gt;
   lt;name xml:lang=quot;enquot;gt;GPS Weather!lt;/namegt;
   lt;description
יישומון ה-lt;span dir=quot;rtlquot;
  xml:lang=quot;enquot;gt;GPS Weather!lt;/spangt; מאפשר
  לך לבדוק את מזג האוויר בכל נקודת GPS
  ברחבי העולם.
   lt;/descriptiongt;
  lt;/widgetgt;
 
 
 
 
  --
  Marcos Caceres
  http://datadriven.com.au
 
 
 
 No virus found in this incoming message.
 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
 Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2755 - Release Date: 03/20/10
 19:33:00