Re: [cabfpub] [Servercert-wg] Ballot SC4 - email and CAA CONTACT

2018-08-08 Thread Tim Hollebeek via Public
Yeah, URIs are actively hostile to customers. As a former lead engineer and architect, I get their attractiveness, but they’re only friendly to software engineers. This is one of the things IETF gets wrong over and over. If certificates need to be readily available to everyone, we can’t

Re: [cabfpub] [Servercert-wg] Ballot SC4 - email and CAA CONTACT

2018-08-08 Thread Seth David Schoen via Public
Ryan Sleevi via Public writes: > On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 6:38 PM Tim Hollebeek > wrote: > > > If certificates need to be readily available to everyone, we can’t force > > arcana onto less sophisticated users. Remember, there’s plenty of evidence > > showing that people adding CAA records often

Re: [cabfpub] [Servercert-wg] Ballot SC4 - email and CAA CONTACT

2018-08-08 Thread Ryan Sleevi via Public
On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 6:38 PM Tim Hollebeek wrote: > Yeah, URIs are actively hostile to customers. As a former lead engineer > and architect, I get their attractiveness, but they’re only friendly to > software engineers. This is one of the things IETF gets wrong over and > over. > This is a

Re: [cabfpub] [Servercert-wg] Ballot SC4 - email and CAA CONTACT

2018-08-08 Thread Tim Hollebeek via Public
From: mailto://tim.holleb...@digicert.com To: mailto://sle...@google.com To make it clear, I don’t think turning things into URIs adds value for customers. E-mail addresses usually AREN’T in the form of URIs, as noted above. My position is easy to square given that I originally didn’t

Re: [cabfpub] [Servercert-wg] Ballot SC4 - email and CAA CONTACT

2018-08-08 Thread Tim Hollebeek via Public
Yeah, thanks for digging that up. I think it was a different reference I was thinking of, but same conclusion. Making things complicated makes things fail. -Tim > -Original Message- > From: Seth David Schoen > Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 4:46 PM > To: Ryan Sleevi ; CA/Browser

Re: [cabfpub] [Servercert-wg] Ballot SC4 - email and CAA CONTACT

2018-08-08 Thread Ryan Sleevi via Public
On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 10:30 PM Tim Hollebeek wrote: > From: mailto://tim.holleb...@digicert.com > > To: mailto://sle...@google.com > > > > To make it clear, I don’t think turning things into URIs adds value for > customers. E-mail addresses usually AREN’T in the form of URIs, as noted >