Re: [pydotorg-www] Editing permissions for IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments for AndrewJanke

2018-06-05 Thread Andrew Janke 
Oh, I'm not suggesting that we remove references to WingIDE entirely. 
Just that particular 2008 article (and hopefully replace it with a newer 
reference). It's ancient and doesn't seem relevant to the current Python 
IDE scene.


Cheers,
Andrew

On 6/5/18 11:14 AM, Steve Holden wrote:
Your call, but as an active Wing user I will just point out that the 
company support their product very actively, if that helps.


regards
 Steve

Steve Holden

On Sat, Jun 2, 2018 at 3:18 AM, Andrew Janke > wrote:



On 5/27/18 10:25 AM, Mats Wichmann wrote:

On 05/26/2018 12:22 PM, Andrew Janke wrote:

Good to go. I was able to edit the page. Thanks!

Andrew

Thanks for taking this on... someone motivated to pick a an
IDE is the
perfect candidate to update the tables.  You even inspired me
to make a
few more changes!

While we're here, there are links to a number of articles that
compare
IDEs.  In this modern world, there appear to be an infinite
number of
"ten best" type articles, as, sadly, people have learned how
effective
they are as clickbait, so I'm not sure how to refresh this
list, but I'm
thinking that we should drop the older articles. The ones from
2000,
2005, even 2008 seem unlikely to be very applicable, as all of the
surviving IDEs have evolved, and some (BlackAdder?) don't seem
to have
survived.  Any objections if I kill a few?  Andrew - if you
found any
useful comparsion article, please feel free to add, I'm just
thinking we
shouldn't add the dozens, maybe hundreds, of such comparisons
that pop
up if you ask a search engine.

-- mats

That makes sense.

I have no useful comparison articles to add. I think one can smell
the difference between original content and a "ten best" clickbait
listicle, and all the decent original-content comparison articles
I've found are already in this Wiki entry. (E.g. this one that you
have linked is a really good one:
https://xcorr.net/2013/04/17/evaluating-ides-for-scientific-python/
)
Which is kind of sad because the last comparo article is from 2013.

At any rate, I also agree with not adding all the content-farm
junk that one finds in Google.

IMHO, as far as old links on this article go, I'd say remove the
link that's for WingIDE specifically, but actually keep all the
rest, even the ones as old as 2000: those are good, content-deep
articles, are of historical interest, serve as examples of how to
compare IDEs, and given how slowly the Python IDE ecosystem seems
to be evolving, are still relevant. I found them all useful in my
current efforts to learn about Python IDEs. And some of these
articles don't surface in a Google search for "Python IDEs";
they're buried in "ten best" clickbait, so I think it's still
useful to have them collected in a list.

Cheers,
Andrew

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Editing permissions for IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments for AndrewJanke

2018-06-05 Thread Steve Holden 
Your call, but as an active Wing user I will just point out that the
company support their product very actively, if that helps.

regards
 Steve

Steve Holden

On Sat, Jun 2, 2018 at 3:18 AM, Andrew Janke  wrote:

>
> On 5/27/18 10:25 AM, Mats Wichmann wrote:
>
>> On 05/26/2018 12:22 PM, Andrew Janke wrote:
>>
>>> Good to go. I was able to edit the page. Thanks!
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>> Thanks for taking this on... someone motivated to pick a an IDE is the
>> perfect candidate to update the tables.  You even inspired me to make a
>> few more changes!
>>
>> While we're here, there are links to a number of articles that compare
>> IDEs.  In this modern world, there appear to be an infinite number of
>> "ten best" type articles, as, sadly, people have learned how effective
>> they are as clickbait, so I'm not sure how to refresh this list, but I'm
>> thinking that we should drop the older articles. The ones from 2000,
>> 2005, even 2008 seem unlikely to be very applicable, as all of the
>> surviving IDEs have evolved, and some (BlackAdder?) don't seem to have
>> survived.  Any objections if I kill a few?  Andrew - if you found any
>> useful comparsion article, please feel free to add, I'm just thinking we
>> shouldn't add the dozens, maybe hundreds, of such comparisons that pop
>> up if you ask a search engine.
>>
>> -- mats
>>
>> That makes sense.
>
> I have no useful comparison articles to add. I think one can smell the
> difference between original content and a "ten best" clickbait listicle,
> and all the decent original-content comparison articles I've found are
> already in this Wiki entry. (E.g. this one that you have linked is a really
> good one: https://xcorr.net/2013/04/17/evaluating-ides-for-scientific-
> python/) Which is kind of sad because the last comparo article is from
> 2013.
>
> At any rate, I also agree with not adding all the content-farm junk that
> one finds in Google.
>
> IMHO, as far as old links on this article go, I'd say remove the link
> that's for WingIDE specifically, but actually keep all the rest, even the
> ones as old as 2000: those are good, content-deep articles, are of
> historical interest, serve as examples of how to compare IDEs, and given
> how slowly the Python IDE ecosystem seems to be evolving, are still
> relevant. I found them all useful in my current efforts to learn about
> Python IDEs. And some of these articles don't surface in a Google search
> for "Python IDEs"; they're buried in "ten best" clickbait, so I think it's
> still useful to have them collected in a list.
>
> Cheers,
> Andrew
>
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Editing permissions for IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments for AndrewJanke

2018-06-01 Thread Andrew Janke 



On 5/27/18 10:25 AM, Mats Wichmann wrote:

On 05/26/2018 12:22 PM, Andrew Janke wrote:

Good to go. I was able to edit the page. Thanks!

Andrew


Thanks for taking this on... someone motivated to pick a an IDE is the
perfect candidate to update the tables.  You even inspired me to make a
few more changes!

While we're here, there are links to a number of articles that compare
IDEs.  In this modern world, there appear to be an infinite number of
"ten best" type articles, as, sadly, people have learned how effective
they are as clickbait, so I'm not sure how to refresh this list, but I'm
thinking that we should drop the older articles. The ones from 2000,
2005, even 2008 seem unlikely to be very applicable, as all of the
surviving IDEs have evolved, and some (BlackAdder?) don't seem to have
survived.  Any objections if I kill a few?  Andrew - if you found any
useful comparsion article, please feel free to add, I'm just thinking we
shouldn't add the dozens, maybe hundreds, of such comparisons that pop
up if you ask a search engine.

-- mats


That makes sense.

I have no useful comparison articles to add. I think one can smell the 
difference between original content and a "ten best" clickbait listicle, 
and all the decent original-content comparison articles I've found are 
already in this Wiki entry. (E.g. this one that you have linked is a 
really good one: 
https://xcorr.net/2013/04/17/evaluating-ides-for-scientific-python/) 
Which is kind of sad because the last comparo article is from 2013.


At any rate, I also agree with not adding all the content-farm junk that 
one finds in Google.


IMHO, as far as old links on this article go, I'd say remove the link 
that's for WingIDE specifically, but actually keep all the rest, even 
the ones as old as 2000: those are good, content-deep articles, are of 
historical interest, serve as examples of how to compare IDEs, and given 
how slowly the Python IDE ecosystem seems to be evolving, are still 
relevant. I found them all useful in my current efforts to learn about 
Python IDEs. And some of these articles don't surface in a Google search 
for "Python IDEs"; they're buried in "ten best" clickbait, so I think 
it's still useful to have them collected in a list.


Cheers,
Andrew
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Editing permissions for IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments for AndrewJanke

2018-05-27 Thread Mats Wichmann 
On 05/26/2018 12:22 PM, Andrew Janke wrote:
> Good to go. I was able to edit the page. Thanks!
> 
> Andrew
> 

Thanks for taking this on... someone motivated to pick a an IDE is the
perfect candidate to update the tables.  You even inspired me to make a
few more changes!

While we're here, there are links to a number of articles that compare
IDEs.  In this modern world, there appear to be an infinite number of
"ten best" type articles, as, sadly, people have learned how effective
they are as clickbait, so I'm not sure how to refresh this list, but I'm
thinking that we should drop the older articles. The ones from 2000,
2005, even 2008 seem unlikely to be very applicable, as all of the
surviving IDEs have evolved, and some (BlackAdder?) don't seem to have
survived.  Any objections if I kill a few?  Andrew - if you found any
useful comparsion article, please feel free to add, I'm just thinking we
shouldn't add the dozens, maybe hundreds, of such comparisons that pop
up if you ask a search engine.

-- mats

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Editing permissions for IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments for AndrewJanke

2018-05-26 Thread Andrew Janke 

Good to go. I was able to edit the page. Thanks!

Andrew

On 5/26/18 10:16 AM, Steve Holden wrote:

Hi Andrew,

You should be good togo. Thanks for helping out!

regards
 Steve

Steve Holden

On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 11:07 AM, Andrew Janke > wrote:


Hi, wiki.python.org  folks,

I'm a new user on the wiki.python.org 
Wiki. My username is AndrewJanke.
I would like to edit the page IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments, and I
see on https://wiki.python.org/moin/FrontPage#use
 that getting
permission is required.

It looks like the "Updated" column for some of the IDEs listed
there is
stale. I know that at least some of the IDEs there have more recent
releases: e.g. the current Komodo 11.0.2 release was built in
2017, but
is listed as "Updated 2012" on that page.

I'm a developer who's new to Python, and am researching/evaluating
different IDEs for my own use. I'd like to update your
IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments page with current Updated dates as I
do my research into these IDEs. (And I plan to hit all the IDEs
you have
in your list.)

I'm assuming that the "Updated" column means "last time this IDE
program
was updated/released", and not "last time the Python.org wiki page for
this program was updated".

If you're amenable, I'd also like to suggest maybe adding a "Version"
column to the tables on this page. The release date for these IDEs
isn't
readily visible on all of their web pages, but the program version
number pops up more often. This would make it easier for both readers
and editors to determine if this wiki page is in fact up to date with
respect to an IDE's last release date. (Or maybe it would make
sense to
have a "this page updated on XXX" statement somewhere.)

I'd also like to upper-case "GUI" in the section title "IDEs with
integrated gui builder" to be consistent with the rest of the page and
common usage.

If you need some background, you can find me at:
https://apjanke.net/
https://github.com/apjanke

Cheers,
Andrew Janke

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[pydotorg-www] Editing permissions for IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments for AndrewJanke

2018-05-26 Thread Andrew Janke 
Hi, wiki.python.org folks,

I'm a new user on the wiki.python.org Wiki. My username is AndrewJanke.
I would like to edit the page IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments, and I
see on https://wiki.python.org/moin/FrontPage#use that getting
permission is required.

It looks like the "Updated" column for some of the IDEs listed there is
stale. I know that at least some of the IDEs there have more recent
releases: e.g. the current Komodo 11.0.2 release was built in 2017, but
is listed as "Updated 2012" on that page.

I'm a developer who's new to Python, and am researching/evaluating
different IDEs for my own use. I'd like to update your
IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments page with current Updated dates as I
do my research into these IDEs. (And I plan to hit all the IDEs you have
in your list.)

I'm assuming that the "Updated" column means "last time this IDE program
was updated/released", and not "last time the Python.org wiki page for
this program was updated".

If you're amenable, I'd also like to suggest maybe adding a "Version"
column to the tables on this page. The release date for these IDEs isn't
readily visible on all of their web pages, but the program version
number pops up more often. This would make it easier for both readers
and editors to determine if this wiki page is in fact up to date with
respect to an IDE's last release date. (Or maybe it would make sense to
have a "this page updated on XXX" statement somewhere.)

I'd also like to upper-case "GUI" in the section title "IDEs with
integrated gui builder" to be consistent with the rest of the page and
common usage.

If you need some background, you can find me at:
https://apjanke.net/
https://github.com/apjanke

Cheers,
Andrew Janke

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