Re: [pydotorg-www] Python on Android wiki page

[Dmitry Kazakov]

Thank you, Marc-Andre. I looked at Kivy early today and it seems to be for
fully python apps on Android instead of integration with Android
kotlin/java code.

I still exploring possibilities of chaquopy
, so far it looks the most promising
one.

Kind regards,
Dmitry Kazakov 


чт, 17 авг. 2023 г. в 18:48, Marc-Andre Lemburg :

> To add to what Mats already mentioned:
>
> There are currently at least three efforts for getting better Python
> support on mobiles:
>
> - PyScript which runs Python in a browser, so you can use a web view to
> host it inside an application. This does run some data science code, but
> I'm not sure how far you can get with it.
>
> - BeeWare, which aims to support multiple platforms running Python with
> the same code, including mobiles.
>
> - Kivy, which has a similar goal to BeeWare, but is more focused on
> graphics heavy apps.
>
> I don't think any of these natively integrate into an existing Java app,
> though.
>
> Work on Jython 3 is progressing very slowly. You may want to help out
> here: https://github.com/jython/jython/tree/main
>
>
>
> On 17.08.2023 16:35, Dmitry Kazakov wrote:
> > Thank you, Mats. I decided to contribute to wiki because I did some
> > research on this topic and python wiki looks the most complete one
> > except of this project. If community doesn't consider it as worthy to
> > try and avoid it too.
> >
> > The best tool for my aim is chaquopy, I am exploring it passed an hour.
> > Sadly, creator actively juggling gradle config files, so I start
> > question is it worth to integrate.
> >
> > Context of my task is I have a ml model on python or better to say a
> > python script which combines several classifiers and I want to quickly
> > integrate into my Android app. That's why I search today for python
> > integration on Android options. Android has its own ml kit and
> > conversion tools to tflite format, but it has its own limitations.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > --
> > Dmitry
> >
> > On Thu, 17 Aug 2023, 17:25 Mats Wichmann,  > > wrote:
> >
> > On 8/17/23 05:48, Dmitry Kazakov wrote:
> >  > Hello,
> >  >
> >  > I have found a promising project which allows to integrate python
> > code
> >  > on Android and would like to extend your wiki page to share it
> with
> >  > wider audience.
> >  >
> >  > A wiki page is:
> >  > https://wiki.python.org/moin/Android
> > 
> >  > >
> >  >
> >  > A project is:
> >  > https://www.jython.org/ 
> > >
> >  >
> >  > Because non-authorised users can not do this, I share it with you
> >  > according to this page
> >  > > info.
> >
> > If you do add Jython, perhaps include a note about its status. This
> > is a
> > well known implementation mentioned elsewhere on the Python wiki, but
> > the project... how to put this politely - "isn't getting a lot of
> > love".
> > It's not "dead", that would be too harsh, releases are still being
> made.
> >
> > Most of the Python community considers Python 2 a dead language;
> Jython
> > does not run the current Python language specification, called
> Python 3
> > (which has been out for 15 years now).  There is a project in
> existence
> > to make this happen, which includes a substantial revamp of Jython,
> but
> > there's no public indication that it's making any real progress.
> >
> > The current, possibly outdated, comment inthe FAQ in Jython's own
> wiki
> > (which is hosted by python.org ) might be
> > instructive:
> >
> >
> https://wiki.python.org/jython/JythonFaq/GeneralInfo#Can_I_use_Jython_to_make_apps_for_mobile_phones.3F
> <
> https://wiki.python.org/jython/JythonFaq/GeneralInfo#Can_I_use_Jython_to_make_apps_for_mobile_phones.3F
> >
> >
> > The python wiki is also discouraging (remember, on wikis, somebody
> has
> > to update information, and for statements of this type, it's hard to
> > tell if up to date or not):
> >
> > "Although Android's primary programming language is Java, there is no
> > known port of Jython to the platform. "
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Python on Android wiki page

[Marc-Andre Lemburg]

To add to what Mats already mentioned:

There are currently at least three efforts for getting better Python 
support on mobiles:


- PyScript which runs Python in a browser, so you can use a web view to 
host it inside an application. This does run some data science code, but 
I'm not sure how far you can get with it.


- BeeWare, which aims to support multiple platforms running Python with 
the same code, including mobiles.


- Kivy, which has a similar goal to BeeWare, but is more focused on 
graphics heavy apps.


I don't think any of these natively integrate into an existing Java app, 
though.


Work on Jython 3 is progressing very slowly. You may want to help out 
here: https://github.com/jython/jython/tree/main




On 17.08.2023 16:35, Dmitry Kazakov wrote:
Thank you, Mats. I decided to contribute to wiki because I did some 
research on this topic and python wiki looks the most complete one 
except of this project. If community doesn't consider it as worthy to 
try and avoid it too.


The best tool for my aim is chaquopy, I am exploring it passed an hour. 
Sadly, creator actively juggling gradle config files, so I start 
question is it worth to integrate.


Context of my task is I have a ml model on python or better to say a 
python script which combines several classifiers and I want to quickly 
integrate into my Android app. That's why I search today for python 
integration on Android options. Android has its own ml kit and 
conversion tools to tflite format, but it has its own limitations.


Thanks!

--
Dmitry

On Thu, 17 Aug 2023, 17:25 Mats Wichmann, > wrote:


On 8/17/23 05:48, Dmitry Kazakov wrote:
 > Hello,
 >
 > I have found a promising project which allows to integrate python
code
 > on Android and would like to extend your wiki page to share it with
 > wider audience.
 >
 > A wiki page is:
 > https://wiki.python.org/moin/Android

>
 >
 > A project is:
 > https://www.jython.org/ 
>
 >
 > Because non-authorised users can not do this, I share it with you
 > according to this page
> info.

If you do add Jython, perhaps include a note about its status. This
is a
well known implementation mentioned elsewhere on the Python wiki, but
the project... how to put this politely - "isn't getting a lot of
love".
It's not "dead", that would be too harsh, releases are still being made.

Most of the Python community considers Python 2 a dead language; Jython
does not run the current Python language specification, called Python 3
(which has been out for 15 years now).  There is a project in existence
to make this happen, which includes a substantial revamp of Jython, but
there's no public indication that it's making any real progress.

The current, possibly outdated, comment inthe FAQ in Jython's own wiki
(which is hosted by python.org ) might be
instructive:


https://wiki.python.org/jython/JythonFaq/GeneralInfo#Can_I_use_Jython_to_make_apps_for_mobile_phones.3F
 


The python wiki is also discouraging (remember, on wikis, somebody has
to update information, and for statements of this type, it's hard to
tell if up to date or not):

"Although Android's primary programming language is Java, there is no
known port of Jython to the platform. "




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Re: [pydotorg-www] Python on Android wiki page

[Dmitry Kazakov]

Thank you, Mats. I decided to contribute to wiki because I did some
research on this topic and python wiki looks the most complete one except
of this project. If community doesn't consider it as worthy to try and
avoid it too.

The best tool for my aim is chaquopy, I am exploring it passed an hour.
Sadly, creator actively juggling gradle config files, so I start question
is it worth to integrate.

Context of my task is I have a ml model on python or better to say a python
script which combines several classifiers and I want to quickly integrate
into my Android app. That's why I search today for python integration on
Android options. Android has its own ml kit and conversion tools to tflite
format, but it has its own limitations.

Thanks!

--
Dmitry

On Thu, 17 Aug 2023, 17:25 Mats Wichmann,  wrote:

> On 8/17/23 05:48, Dmitry Kazakov wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have found a promising project which allows to integrate python code
> > on Android and would like to extend your wiki page to share it with
> > wider audience.
> >
> > A wiki page is:
> > https://wiki.python.org/moin/Android <
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/Android>
> >
> > A project is:
> > https://www.jython.org/ 
> >
> > Because non-authorised users can not do this, I share it with you
> > according to this page 
> info.
>
> If you do add Jython, perhaps include a note about its status. This is a
> well known implementation mentioned elsewhere on the Python wiki, but
> the project... how to put this politely - "isn't getting a lot of love".
> It's not "dead", that would be too harsh, releases are still being made.
>
> Most of the Python community considers Python 2 a dead language; Jython
> does not run the current Python language specification, called Python 3
> (which has been out for 15 years now).  There is a project in existence
> to make this happen, which includes a substantial revamp of Jython, but
> there's no public indication that it's making any real progress.
>
> The current, possibly outdated, comment inthe FAQ in Jython's own wiki
> (which is hosted by python.org) might be instructive:
>
>
> https://wiki.python.org/jython/JythonFaq/GeneralInfo#Can_I_use_Jython_to_make_apps_for_mobile_phones.3F
>
> The python wiki is also discouraging (remember, on wikis, somebody has
> to update information, and for statements of this type, it's hard to
> tell if up to date or not):
>
> "Although Android's primary programming language is Java, there is no
> known port of Jython to the platform. "
>
>
>
>
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Python on Android wiki page

[Mats Wichmann]

On 8/17/23 05:48, Dmitry Kazakov wrote:

Hello,

I have found a promising project which allows to integrate python code 
on Android and would like to extend your wiki page to share it with 
wider audience.


A wiki page is:
https://wiki.python.org/moin/Android 

A project is:
https://www.jython.org/ 

Because non-authorised users can not do this, I share it with you 
according to this page  info.


If you do add Jython, perhaps include a note about its status. This is a 
well known implementation mentioned elsewhere on the Python wiki, but 
the project... how to put this politely - "isn't getting a lot of love". 
It's not "dead", that would be too harsh, releases are still being made.


Most of the Python community considers Python 2 a dead language; Jython 
does not run the current Python language specification, called Python 3 
(which has been out for 15 years now).  There is a project in existence 
to make this happen, which includes a substantial revamp of Jython, but 
there's no public indication that it's making any real progress.


The current, possibly outdated, comment inthe FAQ in Jython's own wiki 
(which is hosted by python.org) might be instructive:


https://wiki.python.org/jython/JythonFaq/GeneralInfo#Can_I_use_Jython_to_make_apps_for_mobile_phones.3F

The python wiki is also discouraging (remember, on wikis, somebody has 
to update information, and for statements of this type, it's hard to 
tell if up to date or not):


"Although Android's primary programming language is Java, there is no 
known port of Jython to the platform. "




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Re: [pydotorg-www] Python on Android wiki page

[Marc-Andre Lemburg]

Hi Dmitry,

please send us your wiki user name. We can then make you editor and you 
can then make the needed changes.


Thanks.

On 17.08.2023 13:48, Dmitry Kazakov wrote:

Hello,

I have found a promising project which allows to integrate python code 
on Android and would like to extend your wiki page to share it with 
wider audience.


A wiki page is:
https://wiki.python.org/moin/Android

A project is:
https://www.jython.org/

Because non-authorised users can not do this, I share it with you 
according to this page  info.


Kind regards,
Dmitry Kazakov 

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[pydotorg-www] Python on Android wiki page

[Dmitry Kazakov]

Hello,

I have found a promising project which allows to integrate python code on
Android and would like to extend your wiki page to share it with wider
audience.

A wiki page is:
https://wiki.python.org/moin/Android

A project is:
https://www.jython.org/

Because non-authorised users can not do this, I share it with you according
to this page  info.

Kind regards,
Dmitry Kazakov 
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