Re: [pygame] pygame web plugin

On Sep 10, 2008, at 11:10 PM, Knapp wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 12:33 AM, Greg Ewing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wednesday 10 September 2008 04:31:10 James Mills wrote: step 4. "Audit code to be sure it isn't evil". That's nice in theory, but can you honestly say that you meticulously

Re: [pygame] pygame web plugin

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 12:33 AM, Greg Ewing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 10 September 2008 04:31:10 James Mills wrote: > >> step 4. "Audit code to be sure it isn't evil". > > That's nice in theory, but can you honestly say that you > meticulously examine every line of every piece of c

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> > One option that I didn't see mentioned in this thread is the new > IronPython. IronPython is a new open source implementation of a fully > compliant Python. There is also an open source project called Moonlight > that allows IronPython to run in the browser. i mentioned moonlight earlier in t

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On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Forrest Voight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> also, i frogot to suggest that we build ClamAV into PWS for virus scanning >> of the python program > > Umm... I'm really not sure how to respond to this. Me neither :/ *sigh*

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> also, i frogot to suggest that we build ClamAV into PWS for virus scanning of > the python program Umm... I'm really not sure how to respond to this.

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> - Original Message - > From: "Noah Kantrowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: pygame-users@seul.org > Subject: RE: [pygame] pygame web plugin > Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 15:44:53 -0700 > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [E

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On Wednesday 10 September 2008 04:31:10 James Mills wrote: step 4. "Audit code to be sure it isn't evil". That's nice in theory, but can you honestly say that you meticulously examine every line of every piece of code that you download before running it? It's just not practical to do that, so

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> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Douglas S. Blank > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> James said: >> >> [snip] >> >>> With regards to Pygame and Python >>> in the Web Browser for a gaming >>> platform, I do not believe this will >>> happen anytime soon, nor do I think >>> it's a generally godo idea -

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On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Douglas S. Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > James said: > > [snip] > >> With regards to Pygame and Python >> in the Web Browser for a gaming >> platform, I do not believe this will >> happen anytime soon, nor do I think >> it's a generally godo idea -- Unless >> t

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James said: [snip] > With regards to Pygame and Python > in the Web Browser for a gaming > platform, I do not believe this will > happen anytime soon, nor do I think > it's a generally godo idea -- Unless > the Web Community and Industry decides > that Python is a better language than > JavaScrip

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Michael, Your points we well and valid, and I hope you understand that I was not suggesting users do not evaluate applications they install onto their systems or blindly trust 3rd-party software, commercial or FOSS. I believe though that my point of "being able to trust" FOSS a bit more than comm

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On Wednesday 10 September 2008 04:31:10 James Mills wrote: > However having said that > I tend to trust FOSS more than > commercial software. I once worked with an admin who REALLY should've known better. As in REALLY should've known better. Did exactly these sorts of steps: > > 1. Install Pytho

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On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Noah Kantrowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You forgot step 4. "Audit code to be sure it isn't evil". If you think this > isn't important, boy do I have a game for you. Running code you get from a > random website is never a good idea. See I presume this to be a

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> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of James Mills > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 4:26 PM > To: pygame-users@seul.org > Subject: Re: [pygame] pygame web plugin > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Noah Kant

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On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Noah Kantrowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is a very bad idea. If you need to ask why, you shouldn't be trying to > build a web-based VM. This is called "setuptools". 1. Install Python 2. Install setuptools 3. easy_install cheers James PS: Why do we alwa

RE: [pygame] pygame web plugin

> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of yanom @linuxmail.org > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 2:55 PM > To: pygame-users@seul.org > Subject: Re: [pygame] pygame web plugin > > > > - Original M

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> - Original Message - > From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: pygame-users@seul.org > Subject: [pygame] pygame web plugin > Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 02:07:08 +0200 > > > hi, > > i would like to bring up this topic again since a python based open source > alternative to flash

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On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 7:42 AM, yanom @linuxmail.org <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Python may not be meant for web apps, but that won't stop us from trying to > make python web apps. Python rules! Nobody said anything about python web apps. We're talking: * Python Sandboxing * Python in a Web B

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Python may not be meant for web apps, but that won't stop us from trying to make python web apps. Python rules! > - Original Message - > From: "Forrest Voight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: pygame-users@seul.org > Subject: Re: [pygame] pygame web plugin >

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hey, we did a prototype of a flex-pypy(and then continued ) - which uses pypy to translate into actionscript - which is then compiled with the free flex compiler. So the 'bash the monkey' thing on the pygame main page is made with that. However... flex and pypy are such un-fun things to use tha

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On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 5:07 AM, Forrest Voight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > PyGame isn't really built for untrusted code... there are many ways to > crash PyGame if you are intent on it... > > PyGame and Python weren't meant at all for web apps. I have to agree with this. I think trying to get pyg

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PyGame isn't really built for untrusted code... there are many ways to crash PyGame if you are intent on it... PyGame and Python weren't meant at all for web apps. On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 2:22 AM, Bob Ippolito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Ron Dippold <[EMAIL PROTECT

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On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Ron Dippold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is something Java actually does pretty well. I dislike it for the most > part, but its sandboxing is better than anything I've ever seen (except > certain secure OSes). Flash actually does it pretty well now too, though >

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On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 4:42 AM, Bob Ippolito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Campbell Barton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Im still a bit at a loss as to where the blocking problem is... >> >> if I was to sandbox cpython for a pygame heres what Id try. >> >> - replace

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On 9/7/08, Ron Dippold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is something Java actually does pretty well. I dislike it for the most > part, but its sandboxing is better than anything I've ever seen (except > certain secure OSes). Flash actually does it pretty well now too, though > holes keep turning

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This is something Java actually does pretty well. I dislike it for the most part, but its sandboxing is better than anything I've ever seen (except certain secure OSes). Flash actually does it pretty well now too, though holes keep turning up occasionally. Interestingly, unless they've changed

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On Sep 7, 2008, at 10:49 AM, Campbell Barton wrote: Im still a bit at a loss as to where the blocking problem is... if I was to sandbox cpython for a pygame heres what Id try. - replace builtins like import, compile, exec, reload through the C api (as with the blender3d example I posted earl

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On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Campbell Barton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Im still a bit at a loss as to where the blocking problem is... > > if I was to sandbox cpython for a pygame heres what Id try. > > - replace builtins like import, compile, exec, reload through the C > api (as with the b

Re: [pygame] pygame web plugin

Im still a bit at a loss as to where the blocking problem is... if I was to sandbox cpython for a pygame heres what Id try. - replace builtins like import, compile, exec, reload through the C api (as with the blender3d example I posted earlier, scripters will need to write scripts accounting for

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On Sep 6, 2008, at 6:21 PM, Greg Ewing wrote: J Dunford wrote: In my experience, the general consensus with sandboxing python is - don't try it. If you think Python sandboxing is easy, you don't understand the problem. Most of the current Python sandboxing concepts use alternate interpr

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J Dunford wrote: In my experience, the general consensus with sandboxing python is - don't try it. There was some code posted recently that seems to do a fairly good job of preventing access to anything you don't want to allow, using a combination of builtin replacement and pre- processing the

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On 9/6/08, J Dunford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 6:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> hi, >> >> i would like to bring up this topic again since a python based open source >> alternative to flash which could be used to create browser games would >> b

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J Dunford wrote: On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 6:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: hi, i would like to bring up this topic again since a python based open source alternative to flash which could be used to crea

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On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 6:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > hi, > > i would like to bring up this topic again since a python based open source > alternative to flash which could be used to create browser games would > be super awesome. :) > > if i understand this correctly then

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Knapp wrote: I know nothing about this but there is also Django that is python based and VERY on the web. Ok... the quite obvious difference is that Django and Zope are based on the server, and thus don't need to be sandboxed to the extent that client-side software does. If it actually runs

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On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 5:30 PM, yanom @linuxmail.org <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> - Original Message - >> From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: pygame-users@seul.org >> Subject: [pygame] pygame web plugin >> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 02:07:08 +0200 >> >> >> hi, >> >> i would l

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> - Original Message - > From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: pygame-users@seul.org > Subject: [pygame] pygame web plugin > Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 02:07:08 +0200 > > > hi, > > i would like to bring up this topic again since a python based open source > alternative to flash

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On Sep 5, 2008, at 10:26 PM, Campbell Barton wrote: from talking to the python guys sandboxing python is easy if you use the C api to overwrite builtins. (sandboxing issues arise from trying to sandbox python from within python) You'd need to replace pythons import function with one that che

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from talking to the python guys sandboxing python is easy if you use the C api to overwrite builtins. (sandboxing issues arise from trying to sandbox python from within python) You'd need to replace pythons import function with one that checks only for files in a zip for instance. Or for starters