On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 6:02 AM, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Atsuo Ishimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I updated PEP and patch. New patch is updated to
>> http://bugs.python.org/issue2630.
>>
>> Changes are::
>>
>> - Added conversion flag to the
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Atsuo Ishimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I updated PEP and patch. New patch is updated to
> http://bugs.python.org/issue2630.
>
> Changes are::
>
> - Added conversion flag to the str.format() and PyUnicode_FromFormat() C API.
>
> - Added new C API PyObject_ASCII(
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Atsuo Ishimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here's new PEP, and new patch is uploaded at
> http://bugs.python.org/issue2630.
> (codereview.appspot.com refused to create new issue for this patch, btw.)
Thanks for the report! I had made codereview UTF-8-aware, but i
> Mark Summerfield suggested to add "!a" conversion flag to the
> str.format() method. I'll add the conversion flag to the patch and
> PEP later today.
I updated PEP and patch. New patch is updated to
http://bugs.python.org/issue2630.
Changes are::
- Added conversion flag to the str.format() an
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 7:30 AM, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Greg Ewing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Atsuo Ishimoto wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not comfortable with "printable", too. Is "legible" better? This
>>> is first time for me to see this word in my li
Atsuo Ishimoto writes:
> Okay, we'll keep 'strict' as default error handler for stdout always,
> then. I can live with it.
> But, my $0.02, I expect this issue will be revisited after people
> start to develop real applications with Python 3.x.
I agree, I expect it to be revisited too. But i
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Greg Ewing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Atsuo Ishimoto wrote:
>
>> I'm not comfortable with "printable", too. Is "legible" better? This
>> is first time for me to see this word in my life :).
>
> The term "printable" has a long history in computing of
> meaning that
Atsuo Ishimoto wrote:
I'm not comfortable with "printable", too. Is "legible" better? This
is first time for me to see this word in my life :).
The term "printable" has a long history in computing of
meaning that a character code corresponds to some visual
glyph, even if the display process in
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 2:39 AM, Alexandre Vassalotti
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Atsuo Ishimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> --
>> PEP: 3138
>>
>> Title: String representation in Python 3000
>> Version: $Revision$
>>
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 2:30 AM, Atsuo Ishimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'll update the PEP and the patch on Sunday. Thank you!
Here's new PEP, and new patch is uploaded at http://bugs.python.org/issue2630.
(codereview.appspot.com refused to create new issue for this patch, btw.)
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2008/6/1 Atsuo Ishimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> In my case, ls checks characters in the file name and convert invalid
> characters to '?'.
GNU ls has more options for displaying filenames with weird
characters:
http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/coreutils.html#Formatting-the-file-names
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Oleg Broytmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Filesystem encoding is koi8-r, terminal encoding is UTF-8, ls doesn't
> convert (because it doesn't know filesystem encoding) but simply replaces,
> like in Python filename.encode(LC_CTYPE, "replace"). No error reported
On Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 04:23:10PM +0900, Atsuo Ishimoto wrote:
> silently print converted
> characters. Ditto for utilities such as 'ls'.
$ ls -lF work/
total 72
drwxr-x--- 7 phd phd 4096 May 27 11:14 ?/
drwx-- 9 phd phd 4096 May 30 17:30 ?/
drwxr-xr-x 4 phd phd 4096 May 13 18:35 b
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 6:33 AM, Adam Olsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think the reason why strict/backslashreplace (respectively) work
> well is that you can print a unicode string to stdout, have it fail
> (encoding can't handle it), then get an exception printed to stderr
> with the string e
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Adam Olsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think the reason why strict/backslashreplace (respectively) work
> well is that you can print a unicode string to stdout, have it fail
> (encoding can't handle it), then get an exception printed to stderr
> with the string e
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Atsuo Ishimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 1:32 AM, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> - I'm still not comfortable with making stdout default to
>> backslashreplace. Stuff written to stdout might be consumed by another
>> program
Great -- get ready to make your patch perfect!
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Atsuo Ishimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Guido,
>
> On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 1:32 AM, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hi Atsuo,
>>
>> I'm very close to accepting your PEP. I have a few questions:
>
Hi Guido,
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 1:32 AM, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Atsuo,
>
> I'm very close to accepting your PEP. I have a few questions:
Great!
>
> - The Rationale has a more elaborate (and perhaps slightly
> conflicting, regarding the status of ASCII space?) definitio
Hi Atsuo,
I'm very close to accepting your PEP. I have a few questions:
- The Rationale has a more elaborate (and perhaps slightly
conflicting, regarding the status of ASCII space?) definition of our
definition of non-printable than the Specification. Perhaps this could
be merged?
- I'm still no
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 5:12 AM, Jim Jewett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> - Add ``'%a'`` string format operator. ``'%a'`` converts any python
>> >> object to string using ``repr()`` and then hex-escape all non-ASCII
>> >> characters. ``'%a'`` operator generates same string as ``'%r'`` in
On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Jim Jewett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> * Characters defined in the Unicode character database as "Separator"
>> (Zl, Zp, Zs) other than ASCII space(0x20).
>
> Please put in a note that Zl and Zp refer only to two specific
> unicode characters, not to what
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