My hope is that now that a library has been selected, it can be improved
before Python 2.7 and 3.1 ship.
That is fairly unlikely. The 3.1 release candidate has been produced,
so the only options possible at this point are to either go ahead with
what is in the code, or withdraw the library
Gregory P. Smith g...@krypto.org added the comment:
Consider applications that need to validate addresses (or networks,
but not both) supplied as user input:
address = ipaddr.IP(input)
if isinstance(address, ipaddr.IPv4):
if address.prefixlen != 32:
raise TypeError(Expecting IP
Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de added the comment:
I'd like to see the issues fixed upstream, and the library removed
from Python until it is satisfactory to the developers who will
actually use it. To my knowledge, every developer (outside of Google)
who has commented on the issue has
Clay McClure c...@daemons.net added the comment:
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I'd like to see the issues fixed upstream, and the library removed
from Python until it is satisfactory to the developers who will
actually use it. To my knowledge,
pmoody pyt...@hda3.com added the comment:
I should think you would seek the opinion of those developers who
actually do have plans to use an IP address library.
That's what this has been doing for the last 8 1/2 months.
As far as I can
tell, every developer in that category, outside of
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As far as I can
tell, every developer in that category, outside of Google, that has
commented on this issue here or in python-dev has advocated a
different API.
Is there
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Since Python 2.7 and 3.1 have not yet shipped, I hope it's not too late
to
continue this discussion. I have no vested interest in either ipaddr or
netaddr, but I am interested in seeing a well-designed and usable IP
address
library included in
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Since Python 2.7 and 3.1 have not yet shipped, I hope it's not too late
to continue this discussion. I have no vested interest in either ipaddr or
netaddr, but I am
Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de added the comment:
My hope is that now that a library has been selected, it can be improved
before Python 2.7 and 3.1 ship.
That is fairly unlikely. The 3.1 release candidate has been produced,
so the only options possible at this point are to either go
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My hope is that now that a library has been selected, it can be improved
before Python 2.7 and 3.1 ship.
That is fairly unlikely. The 3.1 release candidate has been
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Strangely, the leading line of my last response was eaten by the bug
tracker. It read:
1 == (1,)
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My hope is that now that a library has been
Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de added the comment:
ipaddr makes no distinction between two fundamentally different
concepts -- to my mind, that is a serious flaw.
Do you have an application in mind where this lack of distinction
would prevent writing the application in a straight-forward
R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com added the comment:
ipaddr.IPv4('192.168.1.1') == ipaddr.IPv4('192.168.1.1/32')
True
As a network engineer I don't see any inherent problem with that equality.
In fact I make use of that conceptual equality on a regular basis.
Further, if you were to add
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True
As a network engineer I don't see any inherent problem with that equality.
In fact I make use of
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wrote:
ipaddr.IPv4('192.168.1.1') ==
R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com added the comment:
In pre-CIDR days, assuming a prefixlen of 24 for a 192.168.x.x address
made sense. Nowadays it is better not to make that assumption. So I
find ipaddr's default of 32 to be safer than using a class based default.
The larger point,
Clay McClure c...@daemons.net added the comment:
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Do you have an application in mind where this lack of distinction
would prevent writing the application in a straight-forward way?
IOW, could you do something if
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Do you have an application in mind where
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ipaddr.IPv4('192.168.1.1') == ipaddr.IPv4('192.168.1.1/32')
True
ipaddr makes no distinction between two fundamentally different
concepts -- to my mind, that is a serious
Clay McClure c...@daemons.net added the comment:
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For an example of why 192.168.1.1 != 192.168.1.1/32, look no further
than ifconfig:
# ifconfig en0 192.168.1.1/32
# ifconfig en0
en0:
Clay McClure c...@daemons.net added the comment:
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In pre-CIDR days, assuming a prefixlen of 24 for a 192.168.x.x address
made sense. Nowadays it is better not to make that assumption. So I
find ipaddr's default of
Clay McClure c...@daemons.net added the comment:
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ifconfig: 255.255.255.0/32: bad value
That's because ipaddr wrongly appends a prefix length to all
ipaddr.IPv4 objects, even those representing addresses, which do not
have
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Clay McClure c...@daemons.net added the comment:
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ifconfig: 255.255.255.0/32: bad value
That's because
Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de added the comment:
Consider applications that need to validate addresses (or networks,
but not both) supplied as user input:
address = ipaddr.IP(input)
If that is a frequent need, it would be reasonable to add an API
address = ipaddr.IP(input,
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I will go ahead and open issues on code.google.com.
If you want to see them fixed in Python, please report them to this
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I will go ahead and open issues on code.google.com.
If you want to see them fixed in Python, please report them to this
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I'd like to see the issues fixed
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r72210 pep8-ified the test names.
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Committed to trunk (2.7) in r72173. I'll merge it into py3k later this
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Is there any chance the test methods in test_ipaddr can be PEP8-ified?
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I'll submit a change for this to trunk in a second.
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Is there any chance the test methods in test_ipaddr can be PEP8-ified?
pmoody pyt...@hda3.com added the comment:
well, sent it for review anyway. is this a showstopper for submission?
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I'll submit a change for this to trunk in a second.
On Fri, May
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Not at all, it's just nicer.
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I merged ipaddr into py3k.
I can't lookup the revision number (r72186?) at the moment since
svn.python.org is having problems.
anyways, thanks pmoody other ipaddr developers!
Now that the library is -in- (before the 3.1 beta cutoff :),
Matthew Smart mattsm...@gmail.com added the comment:
Woo!
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I merged ipaddr into py3k.
I can't lookup the revision number (r72186?) at the moment since
svn.python.org is
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benjamin.peterson mentioned this in his whats new in 3.1 lightning talk
at pycon today and completely by chance, I had made showing a couple
examples of ipaddr the topic of my own lightning talk ~30 minutes later. :)
Anyways I hope to commit
pmoody pyt...@hda3.com added the comment:
Are there any committers who'd be able to help get this integrated?
Martin is booked solid until April and that would apparently
jeopardize the inclusion of ipaddr in python 3.1.
Cheers,
/peter
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Martin v. Löwis
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I could live with such a choice if the netaddr authors agree that it
is the right choice (them being experts themselves in the domain).
I don't want to be accused of drkjam's accusation of fast-tracking
code just because it comes from Google (which
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I don't think a PEP is needed, and I do think ipaddr.py is ready for
inclusion. All that you really need is a core developer to champion the
inclusion.
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Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment:
Probably it has already been said, but for the record: is ipaddr's
current API ok for other libraries (mainly: netaddr) to build upon it
and provide compatible extensions or replacements, or would netaddr
become an incompatible alternative to the
Duncan McGreggor duncan.mcgreg...@gmail.com added the comment:
Antione,
We're (netaddr) going to try to use ipaddr if possible, but there are
operations which we are providing to API users that aren't directly
supported by ipaddr. We haven't yet determined the level of effort
involved in
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If changes to ipaddr could make things easier for netaddr's support of
advanced features, please do propose those changes!
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Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de added the comment:
in light of david's email, would you agree that the bar for buy-in has
been met or should I now start writing a PEP and preparing offerings
for the BDFL?
Yes, I think it can be integrated now. I'll look into it, unless
somebody is faster
Duncan McGreggor duncan.mcgreg...@gmail.com added the comment:
If changes to ipaddr could make things easier for netaddr's support
of advanced features, please do propose those changes!
Thanks, Guido -- we will :-) We'll be watching closely for that and
participating as much as possible.
David Moss drk...@gmail.com added the comment:
For reference, here are the (cross-posted) links to the discussion on
the (now failed) netaddr/ipaddr merge talks :-
http://groups.google.com/group/netaddr/browse_thread/thread/f80b7c69e459
02b7
http://groups.google.com/group/ipaddr-py-
pmoody pyt...@hda3.com added the comment:
(kicking an old thread)
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Guido van Rossum
rep...@bugs.python.org wrote:
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I've been on vacation and unable to follow this, and won't have time to
catch up now. Note
Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org added the comment:
Beats me. I personally haven't had the pleasure to use either so I can't
decide. Maybe a vote or a bake-off?
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Duncan McGreggor duncan.mcgreg...@gmail.com added the comment:
Well, here are my thoughts on the matter:
* ipaddr is relatively small, fast, and focuses on some core functionality
* netaddr is designed to be very flexible (sometimes at the cost of a
little speed), leaning more towards a
Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de added the comment:
so I guess a decision needs to be made. Is this something that should
be made on python-dev or does this bug have enough visibility?
The bug doesn't have enough visibility, so it definitely needs to be
discussed in public.
So, where do
Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de added the comment:
As such, and given the recent work made to ipaddr to make it
stdlib-friendly, my vote would be to include ipaddr in Python while
netaddr can continue growing, providing its user base with diverse
functionality while hopefully taking
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I've been on vacation and unable to follow this, and won't have time to
catch up now. Note that I have no vested interest in Google's module
except knowing it has many happy users (I have never used it myself --
but Collin Winter has and he
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David Moss drk...@gmail.com added the comment:
David, in the event of netaddr's complete or partial inclusion,
are you +1 with this and the maintenance of an ip/net library
in Python?
Yes, I would be very happy to help with this.
If there's going to be lots of discussion, perhaps it
pmoody pyt...@hda3.com added the comment:
Good idea.
Peter M. and the ipaddr contributors, are you all happy to proceed in
accordance with Duncan's suggestions? If so, let's kick off a thread on
python-dev to get the ball rolling and see what we can come up with.
I'm fine with this. But as
Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de added the comment:
I'm fine with this. But as Duncan mentioned, some guidance from the
benevolent powers that be on what exactly they're looking for before
we launch into a bunch of work would be appreciated.
I think Guido's original message summarizes
Duncan McGreggor duncan.mcgreg...@gmail.com added the comment:
I am a contributor to netaddr, having deprecated my own old and crufty
IP address library in its favor. JP's comments on the library in this
ticket are included in the set of reasons that I initially chose it to
replace my own.
Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de added the comment:
Perhaps the following might be a prudent course:
This sounds all good. It is better if the experts in a domain
make a recommendation, than if some random committer makes
a choice.
As for shutting down any project that is chosen, does such
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As for shutting down any project that is chosen, does such an action
not
leave older Python versions out in the cold? Shouldn't the project
remain open to support Python versions 2.7, with a highly visible
note
that the
Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment:
If there's going to be lots of discussion, perhaps it should be taken to
python-dev?
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I think this might be worth a look before any hard and fast decisions
are made :-
http://code.google.com/p/netaddr/
Looking at code isn't really helpful for determining whether it can
be included into Python. What matters more is
Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de added the comment:
One point I will make is on licensing. netaddr is BSD, so you can do
whatever you want with it and contribute as you see fit.
That is not sufficient for inclusion to Python. We also want support
from the author (along with a promise to
pmoody pyt...@hda3.com added the comment:
That is not sufficient for inclusion to Python. We also want support
from the author (along with a promise to eventually give up the external
project).
As Guido had mentioned in a previous message, this is along the lines
of my thinking wrt ipaddr.
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ipaddr appears to be on a fast track for batteries included status
without much consultation in the wider Python community. As BDFL it's
ultimately Guido's call, but it would be disappointing to see one
solution being chosen wholesale without much
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I think this might be worth a look before any hard and fast decisions
are made :-
http://code.google.com/p/netaddr/
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pmoody pyt...@hda3.com added the comment:
I'm biased ;) but I don't see what netaddr provides over ipaddr. it
also seems to be in the neighborhood of 50% slower (at least on my mac
mini).
pmo...@mini - 04:52 PM - ~/Downloads/ipaddr-1.0.1
- python -m timeit 'import ipaddr;\
ipaddr.IP(1.1.1.1)'
Jean-Paul Calderone exar...@divmod.com added the comment:
Performance shouldn't be a major concern here. Utility is more
important and the implementation can be optimized later.
My initial impression of netaddr is pretty good. One thing it has going
for it is documentation. The netaddr
pmoody pyt...@hda3.com added the comment:
hm, all addresses have a subnet, even if its an implied /32, so
specifying a network as (1.1.1.0, 1.1.1.255) seems a lot more
off-putting than 1.1.1.0/24. You're also much more likely to see the
latter in network devices. I guess I don't see the utility
Jean-Paul Calderone exar...@divmod.com added the comment:
hm, all addresses have a subnet, even if its an implied /32, so
specifying a network as (1.1.1.0, 1.1.1.255) seems a lot more
off-putting than 1.1.1.0/24. You're also much more likely to see the
latter in network devices.
I'm not sure
pmoody pyt...@hda3.com added the comment:
I'm not sure which API in netaddr you're referring to. If you want to
construct that /24 with netaddr, then I would use
netaddr.address.CIDR(1.1.1.0/24). Offhand, I can't find an API which
netaddr.AddrRange
class AddrRange(__builtin__.object)
|
Benjamin Peterson musiccomposit...@gmail.com added the comment:
Now that 2.6 and 3.0 are out of the way, how should we move forward?
Will a PEP be required?
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Now that 2.6 and 3.0 are out of the way, how should we move forward?
I think some committer needs to take charge and work with the authors
on merging the code. If pmoody wants commit access, that should be set
up, and he should add it
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I'm the maintainer of IPy library. Another library for IPv4/IPv6
manipulation. The code is old (was written for Python 2.2?), but
released under BSD license. Main issue of this library: it's unable to
manipulation invalid ranges:
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Ooops, the website: http://software.inl.fr/trac/wiki/IPy
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Another Python library: http://erlug.linux.it/~da/soft/iplib/
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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I see a list of owners in the code (although it's difficult to infer
real names or email addresses from that
New submission from Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Google just released ipaddr.py, a module that knows how to manipulate IP
addresses (both IPv4 and IPv6).
I have nothing to do with this module, but I suggest considering it for
inclusion in the standard library.
It fills a gap for address
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It would help if I added a link to the Google release:
http://code.google.com/p/ipaddr-py/
Description:
An IPv4/IPv6 manipulation library in Python.
This library is used to create/poke/manipulate IPv4 and IPv6 addresses
and prefixes.
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Almost time machine. :)
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I see a list of owners in the code (although it's difficult to infer
real names or email addresses from that list). I think we should not
include the code without their explicit approval.
The question will then always be: what is the official
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as one of the owners listed in the code.google.com project (same name),
and the original author, you certainly have my approval for inclusion in
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