Re: [python-committers] A plea to stop last-minute changes to governance PEPs

2018-11-19 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 5:30 AM Paul Moore wrote: > My feeling, however, is that the PEPs that are having the most trouble > with this are the ones that are trying to pin down too much detail. > Sure (to pick a random example), it's ultimately going to be important > that a council have a clear

Re: [python-committers] A plea to stop last-minute changes to governance PEPs

2018-11-19 Thread Steve Dower
On 19Nov2018 0838, Paul Moore wrote: On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 at 16:32, Steve Dower wrote: FWIW, I'm thinking about withdrawing it because PEP 8016 captures my highest priorities (specifically, core developers don't have a monopoly on decision-making skills, and don't apply unnecessary constraints

Re: [python-committers] A plea to stop last-minute changes to governance PEPs

2018-11-19 Thread Paul Moore
On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 at 16:32, Steve Dower wrote: > FWIW, I'm thinking about withdrawing it because PEP 8016 captures my > highest priorities (specifically, core developers don't have a monopoly > on decision-making skills, and don't apply unnecessary constraints on > whoever leads in this PEP).

Re: [python-committers] A plea to stop last-minute changes to governance PEPs

2018-11-19 Thread Steve Dower
On 19Nov2018 0530, Paul Moore wrote: On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 at 11:24, Nathaniel Smith wrote: - Steve Dower is considering withdrawing PEP 8013 entirely [4], which if it happens would be a major substantive change to PEP 8013 that voters would want to know about! Knowing about it - definitely.

Re: [python-committers] A plea to stop last-minute changes to governance PEPs

2018-11-19 Thread Paul Moore
On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 at 11:24, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > Thanks for raising this. It's an important issue and one where I've > been struggling too. > > I'll put my conclusion first. My suggestion: > > - We do allow changes to the PEPs until the actual voting starts, but > not afterwards > - We

Re: [python-committers] A plea to stop last-minute changes to governance PEPs

2018-11-19 Thread Victor Stinner
I maintain a Version History in my PEP 8015: https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-8015/#version-history Victor Le lun. 19 nov. 2018 à 12:24, Nathaniel Smith a écrit : > > On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 3:17 AM Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > A couple days ago Nathaniel pushed significant changes to his

Re: [python-committers] A plea to stop last-minute changes to governance PEPs

2018-11-19 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 3:17 AM Antoine Pitrou wrote: > A couple days ago Nathaniel pushed significant changes to his governance > PEP (PEP 8016). This means some governance PEPs are apparently still > *not* finalized. This raises a problem: when can we consider that we > are reading the final

Re: [python-committers] A plea to stop last-minute changes to governance PEPs

2018-11-18 Thread Mariatta Wijaya
As a reminder, PEP 8001 states: "November 16th, 2018 to November 30th, 2018 is the official governance PEP review period. We discourage the PEP authors from making major substantive changes during this period, although it is expected that minor tweaks may occur, as the result of this discussion

[python-committers] A plea to stop last-minute changes to governance PEPs

2018-11-18 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Hello folks, A couple days ago Nathaniel pushed significant changes to his governance PEP (PEP 8016). This means some governance PEPs are apparently still *not* finalized. This raises a problem: when can we consider that we are reading the final version of a proposal (barring wording fixes or