Quoting Ned Deily n...@acm.org:
You can't fix people, but you can prevent them from actually being
harmful.
The thing is it's a technical solution to a social problem.
No, that's not true. The ban itself is a social reaction to a social
problem. The technical reaction is only to actually
Quoting R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com:
On the other hand, I'm not actually sure what kind of access is left
when you remove all the roles from a user. I did notice the other day
that email to the tracker still seems to work for new issues (I think
it was a new issue, I don't remember
On Sun, 01 Dec 2013 18:11:47 +0100, mar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
Quoting R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com:
On the other hand, I'm not actually sure what kind of access is left
when you remove all the roles from a user. I did notice the other day
that email to the tracker still seems
On 11/30/2013 04:16 PM, Brett Cannon wrote:
For python-ideas, if someone wants to allow Anatoly's posts through then I will
happily make them an admin of the list,
but I have to just admit I can't be trusted to do it objectively and I don't
want Anatoly to receive unjust treatment;
there's
These steps sound right to me. Make the notification a private email, not a
public one -- this doesn't have to be a big deal. It's not a warning shot
to other people, this is one isolated individual, and we should treat it as
such.
Alex
On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 1:44 AM, Nick Coghlan
On Nov 30, 2013, at 05:44 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
- flip his moderation bit on the mailing lists, at least for
python-dev, python-ideas and distutils-sig (are there any other lists
where his presence is considered disruptive?).
Done, for techto...@gmail.com on all three lists.
-Barry
On sam., 2013-11-30 at 11:10 -0500, Barry Warsaw wrote:
On Nov 30, 2013, at 05:44 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
- flip his moderation bit on the mailing lists, at least for
python-dev, python-ideas and distutils-sig (are there any other lists
where his presence is considered disruptive?).
Done,
On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Antoine Pitrou anto...@python.org wrote:
On sam., 2013-11-30 at 11:10 -0500, Barry Warsaw wrote:
On Nov 30, 2013, at 05:44 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
- flip his moderation bit on the mailing lists, at least for
python-dev, python-ideas and distutils-sig (are
On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote:
On Nov 30, 2013, at 05:44 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
- flip his moderation bit on the mailing lists, at least for
python-dev, python-ideas and distutils-sig (are there any other lists
where his presence is considered
Nick,
Thanks for doing this emotionally grueling task.
--Guido
On Saturday, November 30, 2013, Nick Coghlan wrote:
On 1 December 2013 01:49, Eli Bendersky eli...@gmail.com javascript:;
wrote:
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 11:44 PM, Nick Coghlan
ncogh...@gmail.comjavascript:;
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OK,
On Sun, 01 Dec 2013 12:12:08 +1000, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't appear to have the necessary tracker access to actually move
his account to read-only status, though (this change should be made on
the meta-tracker as well).
You should have the necessary privileges on the
I just want to make sure others know that Georg has warned Anatoly that if
he continues to re-open a specific issue he will lose his tracker
privileges (http://bugs.python.org/issue19822#msg204696). I stand behind
his warning and will support anyone who enforces it. I would suggest that
if he does
I pretty much ignore Anatoly, and that works really well for me - try it ;-)
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Am 29.11.2013 19:14, schrieb Guido van Rossum:
Have you read the latest on the python-dev thread? Several other
people are now also complaining. The only thing that makes sense to
me is nothing -- banning Anatoly now is just going to cause a PR
disaster. Not responding at all will most likely
Am 29.11.2013 19:14, schrieb Guido van Rossum:
Have you read the latest on the python-dev thread? Several other people are
now
also complaining. The only thing that makes sense to me is nothing -- banning
Anatoly now is just going to cause a PR disaster.
There's no reason for banning - he
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote:
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote:
Am 29.11.2013 19:22, schrieb Tim Peters:
I pretty much ignore Anatoly, and that works really well for me - try
it ;-)
It's a nice option, I
On ven., 2013-11-29 at 11:40 -0800, Guido van Rossum wrote:
If you can get a majority of the committers to vote to ban him we
should do it -- but that's a high bar (many committers probably don't
care enough to vote).
Well, many are probably inactive enough to not even notice this
discussion
Am 29.11.2013 21:05, schrieb Guido van Rossum:
Here's another idea. Ban him temporarily from the tracker and the
lists(*) and tell him that to be unbanned he has to talk to me, and
to me only. I will then negotiate a cool-off period and posting
guidelines with him. If he violate those he will
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote:
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.orgwrote:
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote:
Am 29.11.2013 19:22, schrieb Tim Peters:
I pretty much ignore Anatoly,
On ven., 2013-11-29 at 21:07 +0100, Christian Heimes wrote:
Am 29.11.2013 21:05, schrieb Guido van Rossum:
Here's another idea. Ban him temporarily from the tracker and the
lists(*) and tell him that to be unbanned he has to talk to me, and
to me only. I will then negotiate a cool-off
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Ned Deily n...@acm.org wrote:
[bunch of stuff I agree with :-)]
I think it would be hard to justify to the world banning Anatoly for his
relatively minor annoyances when it took so long to do something about one
help vampire whose behavior and the community's
On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 13:16:32 -0800, Ned Deily n...@acm.org wrote:
On Nov 29, 2013, at 12:12 , Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote:
The question is, how effective will the alternative solution
(banning him) be? I worry that it's just going to make things worse.
I think that is a
On 29.11.2013 22:37, Guido van Rossum wrote:
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Ned Deily n...@acm.org wrote:
[bunch of stuff I agree with :-)]
I think it would be hard to justify to the world banning Anatoly for his
relatively minor annoyances when it took so long to do something about one
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Eli Bendersky eli...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.orgwrote:
Here's another idea. Ban him temporarily from the tracker and the
lists(*) and tell him that to be unbanned he has to talk to me, and to me
On 11/29/2013 2:59 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
Then I don't know where his behaviour is most problematic: on the
tracker or the MLs?
If we only ban him from the tracker, I'm afraid he'll start making
here's an issue I can't post on the tracker because I'm banned posts
on the mailing-list...
On ven., 2013-11-29 at 20:01 -0500, Terry Reedy wrote:
I think an appropriate first signal would be to make it so he cannot
change headers.
I wasn't thinking only about the bug tracker, but also the MLs.
Right, you are worried about retaliation on the MLs if he were *banned*
from the
On 30 November 2013 06:12, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote:
If someone turns away from the community because we decided we didn't want
someone who is rude participating and ruining the experience for others then
I'm fine with losing that person's participation just like anyone who
On 30 November 2013 08:41, Ned Deily n...@acm.org wrote:
On Nov 29, 2013, at 13:51 , Antoine Pitrou anto...@python.org wrote:
On ven., 2013-11-29 at 13:16 -0800, Ned Deily wrote:
Right. We can't change other people's behavior. We can at best
encourage change. In this case, I'm doubtful
On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 14:41:22 -0800, Ned Deily n...@acm.org wrote:
On Nov 29, 2013, at 13:51 , Antoine Pitrou anto...@python.org wrote:
On ven., 2013-11-29 at 13:16 -0800, Ned Deily wrote:
Why is it that we find him so annoying, enough to advocate fairly
drastic measures like banning?
Nick,
I think we've seen the issue from every possible side now. I trust your
judgment that he has pulled this trick once too many times. So please
implement the ban. Or wait until the next infraction -- that's up to you.
Either way, since the archives of this list are public, our deliberations
On 11/29/2013 9:56 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
On ven., 2013-11-29 at 20:01 -0500, Terry Reedy wrote:
I think an appropriate first signal would be to make it so he cannot
change headers.
I wasn't thinking only about the bug tracker, but also the MLs.
Right, you are worried about retaliation
I concur that it is time to make a decision and move one. I will support
whatever we decide.
I want to apologize for not being clear in my earlier reply. FTR, a few
clarifications:
On Nov 29, 2013, at 20:25 , Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
On 30 November 2013 08:41, Ned Deily
Hi,
as I already mentioned in a message on a previous thread, I'm -1 on banning him.
Last time this issue came up I contacted him and we discussed about
these problems several times. For a while things got better and hhis
behavior got a bit better and his posts less frequent, but lately he
got
On 30 November 2013 15:23, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote:
Nick,
I think we've seen the issue from every possible side now. I trust your
judgment that he has pulled this trick once too many times. So please
implement the ban. Or wait until the next infraction -- that's up to you.
On 30 November 2013 16:58, Ezio Melotti ezio.melo...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
as I already mentioned in a message on a previous thread, I'm -1 on banning
him.
Last time this issue came up I contacted him and we discussed about
these problems several times. For a while things got better and hhis
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