[python-committers] Re: Please make sure you're following good security practices with your GitHub account

[Fred Drake]

On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 2:08 PM Mariatta  wrote:

> Thanks for sharing your experience, and I think it's important for us core
> developers to be careful and vigilant about this.
>

Work picked up hardware fobs from Deepnet Security for a lower price.  We
paid about $16 apiece for 20, but had to go through their "request a quote"
web form.  Something like that should work fine for anyone who doesn't want
to use a smartphone or bind it to their password manager.  (After all, it
wouldn't really be 2FA if your password manager provided both factors!)


  -Fred

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[python-committers] Re: Possible bug in voting system ? (was: Re: Reminder to vote for the 2020 Steering Council)

[Fred Drake]

On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 2:31 PM Mariatta  wrote:

> Re: notifying and sending email to people who were marked as inactive by
> the script.
> We can send automated email via Zapier. Let me know how I can help with
> this part.
>

I think an automated email to the candidates for removal which is very
direct about their imminent removal would be sufficiently effective.  The
difficult part is getting the wording right without sounding like a fire
alarm.


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Re: [python-committers] discuss.python.org participation

[Fred Drake]

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 11:25 PM Jack Diederich  wrote:
> I'm worried about the new format combined with governance discussions.
> As best I can tell 51 CPython committers have signed up for an account
> [I think that is a big number, btw] but only 17 have posted anything; That
> 17 is about 5 more people than put their name on a governance PEP.
> And maybe 5 people have half the total posts. This does not feel like a
> discussion at all.

It can (reasonably) take months for a small-ish group to migrate to a
new type of forum; large groups take longer.

> I don't think it was deliberate, but it looks like the new format is actively 
> discouraging everyone but those most deeply invested with the most free time 
> from participating.

I doubt anyone intended to cut anyone out of discussions, but a new
medium at this time just wasn't a good idea.  It also didn't seem to
work well when I first tried to sign up (the round-trip email never
came through; yes, I checked my spam-box).  Things like this make
uptake even slower.


  -Fred

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Re: [python-committers] An alternative governance model

[Fred Drake]

On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 7:16 PM Mariatta Wijaya 
wrote:

> Next available is PEP lucky number 13 
>

As an integer, it has no known problems.  What could possibly go wrong?
;-)  To bad safe, make sure it lands on a Friday.


  -Fred

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Re: [python-committers] An alternative governance model

[Fred Drake]

> On Jul 18, 2018, at 4:14 PM, Mariatta Wijaya  
> wrote:
> Let's be clear that we're not yet at the stage where we can vote for 
> anything, let alone how to vote.

On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 6:03 PM Łukasz Langa  wrote:
> I don't understand what you mean. Before we get to vote on a variant of PEP 
> 2, we need to decide how we are supposed to perform that vote. This needs to 
> be decided before we discuss councils, dictators, and so on because it's all 
> moot if there is no accepted way to agree which governance model we want.

Humans do so love to argue!

Both the decision-making process and the candidate decisions are
reasonable to discuss; there's no intrinsic ordering constraint for
reasonable discussion.  We need to decide on the decision-making
mechanism before the decision can be made, but that's it.

PEP 2 is (currently) the "Procedure for Adding New Modules".  Though
superseded, recycling the PEP number seems out of character with the
RFC process from which we derived the PEP process.  Let's be cautious
about recycling like that; integers are cheap.


  -Fred

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Re: [python-committers] [Python-Dev] Reminder: snapshots and releases coming up in the next several days

[Fred Drake]

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 12:35 PM, Ned Deily  wrote:
> Lots of releases coming up soon!

There's a "Python Release Schedule" calendar on Google Calendar that
used to be maintained, but that appears to have been dropped, though I
found it useful.

Is there any sort of calendar feed available with this schedule that's
currently maintained?


  -Fred

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Re: [python-committers] Please add your GitHub username to your bugs.python.org account

[Fred Drake]

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Antoine Pitrou  wrote:
> Perhaps GitHub refuses to send e-mail to the PythonLabs?

Interesting hypothesis, but... my invite came by email just fine, and
there wasn't any problem once accepted.  Perhaps the PSU is involv
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Re: [python-committers] Recording committer status in the bug tracker

[Fred Drake]

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:22 PM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
 added a boolean flag to the bug tracker indicating what user accounts belong
 to committers.

I'm showing as a committer, but not that my contributor form has been
received.  I've pointed out the later problem before (some time ago),
and there was no response.  I know I've provided one.

If someone could check on that, I'd appreciate it.  If I need to
submit a new form, I can do that as well.


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Re: [python-committers] do we still believe explicit relative imports are bad as PEP 8 claims?

[Fred Drake]

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote:
 It says they are highly discouraged because absolute imports are
 more portable and usually more readable, but now that people have had
 a chance to use explicit relative imports, do people still believe
 this? I mean if we truly believed this then why did we add the syntax?
 I know I have used it and love it, let alone that I don't buy the
 portability argument.

I suspect the portability argument is about cross-Python-version
compatibility, rather than across operating systems.  Maybe we don't
care about that any more since 2.4 and earlier don't exist in the eyes
of python-dev.

On the other hand, I've never used them, or stumbled over code that
does, so I won't speak to the readability issue.  I have an opinion,
but no practical experience with explicit relative imports.


  -Fred

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Re: [python-committers] do we still believe explicit relative imports are bad as PEP 8 claims?

[Fred Drake]

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
 (especially non-trivial variants such as from ..foo import bar).

Eeewe.

More than one leading . should be considered a bug.


  -Fred

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Re: [python-committers] Providing .tgz sources

[Fred Drake]

On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Fredrik Lundh fred...@pythonware.com wrote:
 (btw, someone mentioned bandwidth -- are we paying for bandwidth? what
 fraction of the python.org traffic is downloads?)

Even if the PSF isn't paying for bandwidth (and I don't know either
way), users on the other end often are.  This is understandable and
real concern.

If providing this new format helps them, I'd be all for that.


  -Fred

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Re: [python-committers] Commit privileges for Łukasz Langa

[Fred Drake]

On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
 I propose we give commit privileges to Łukasz Langa. He has submitted
 various non-trivial patches of rather good quality (for example new
 features for ConfigParser), some of which have already been committed;

+1


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Re: [python-committers] Eric Araujo (merwok) as Distutils commiter

[Fred Drake]

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
 Let me point out something fishy: “Fred Drake” is almost an anagram of
 “Tarek Ziadé”.

Shhh!  Nobody's supposed to know that F is spelled qZ on my birth
certificate!


  -Fred

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Re: [python-committers] Xs

[Fred Drake]

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote:
 Apparently my three year old knows how to work the mail app on my iPhone.

Dang!  Already tainted by closed-source technologies...


  -Fred

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Re: [python-committers] Untabifying the C codebase

[Fred Drake]

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote:
 Who remembers the Great Renaming? :)

Oooh!   Oooh!  I know that one!   :-)


  -Fred

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Re: [python-committers] Untabifying the C codebase

[Fred Drake]

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
 Wasn't it the /Grand/ Renaming?

Rest assured, the Grand Renaming was a Great and Wondrous Event.


  -Fred

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