Thanks all for voicing your concerns and all the feedback.
So far I hear people opposing the strict deadline because they're afraid it
means we'll be making rush decisions for the sake of meeting deadlines.
Well here are my reasonings of why I'm setting deadlines and timelines:
We all know it,
Le 05/08/2018 à 10:50, Ronald Oussoren via python-committers a écrit :
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>> On 4 Aug 2018, at 11:36, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
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>> When Australia's prime minister disappeared, it took two days to swear
>> in a replacement and less than a month to call a new election.
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> But that was easy:
> On 4 Aug 2018, at 11:36, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> When Australia's prime minister disappeared, it took two days to swear
> in a replacement and less than a month to call a new election.
But that was easy: Most countries have predetermined procedures to deal with
such scenarios.
Ronald
On Thu, Aug 02, 2018 at 09:22:44AM +0100, Paul Moore wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 at 08:50, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
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> > Indeed. A hard deadline concentrates the mind. It doesn't need to be
> > tomorrow, I think your choosen dates are a great balance, neither too
> > quick nor too drawn out.
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>
On Aug 1, 2018, at 12:41, Mariatta Wijaya wrote:
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> Since this is like a CFP I figured we should clarify what's expected the
> proposal, and I also wanted to be more detailed in the timeline.
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> Oct 1 00:00:00 UTC: Deadline of coming up with proposals of governance model.
Thanks for writing
> On Aug 3, 2018, at 02:19, Yury Selivanov wrote:
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> OTOH, it would be great if we can at least set a date to start the
> discussion so that everybody can plan for it and join. That's the
> only way to keep the discussion open and equally accessible for
> everyone. If we do nothing, then
On 8/2/2018 8:01 PM, Yury Selivanov wrote:
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 4:43 PM Brett Cannon wrote:
On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 at 17:58 Yury Selivanov wrote:
On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 8:29 PM Mariatta Wijaya
wrote:
[..]
I'm open to extend the dates, and even wait another year if we need to.
Or do folks
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 3:55 PM Jack Jansen wrote:
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> Nathaniel, you strike the nail on the head here.
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> The reason Guido as BDFL and therefore ultimate authority on what “python” is
> worked because it is organic: it is not set down in strict rules and
> regulations and timelines and
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 4:43 PM Brett Cannon wrote:
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> On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 at 17:58 Yury Selivanov wrote:
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>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 8:29 PM Mariatta Wijaya
>> wrote:
>> [..]
>> > I'm open to extend the dates, and even wait another year if we need to.
>> > Or do folks want to come up with a
On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 at 00:24 Ronald Oussoren via python-committers <
python-committers@python.org> wrote:
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> > On 2 Aug 2018, at 01:06, Yury Selivanov wrote:
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> > On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 6:44 PM Mariatta Wijaya
> > wrote:
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> >> Currently any undecided PEP is stalled, and no one can
On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 at 17:58 Yury Selivanov wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 8:29 PM Mariatta Wijaya
> wrote:
> [..]
> > Please don't misunderstand my wanting to set up a deadlines and process
> as wanting to rush things.
>
> Absolutely, I understand, I didn't want to imply that "[name] is
>
Nathaniel, you strike the nail on the head here.
The reason Guido as BDFL and therefore ultimate authority on what “python” is
worked because it is organic: it is not set down in strict rules and
regulations and timelines and percentages of votes and what not. It works
because a very large
2018-08-01 23:10 GMT+02:00 M.-A. Lemburg :
> So let's ponder some more about ideas we could use to
> get there and perhaps watch some Monty Python movies for
> inspiration ;-)
Monty Python's Life of Brian is an obvious tutorial how to select a
BDFL where FL means for life ;-)
Victor
On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 at 08:50, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> Indeed. A hard deadline concentrates the mind. It doesn't need to be
> tomorrow, I think your choosen dates are a great balance, neither too
> quick nor too drawn out.
But it also encourages people (particularly people with limited free
On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 at 01:58, Yury Selivanov wrote:
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> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 8:29 PM Mariatta Wijaya
> wrote:
> [..]
> > Please don't misunderstand my wanting to set up a deadlines and process as
> > wanting to rush things.
>
> Absolutely, I understand, I didn't want to imply that "[name] is
>
On Wed, Aug 01, 2018 at 05:29:00PM -0700, Mariatta Wijaya wrote:
> Please don't misunderstand my wanting to set up a deadlines and process as
> wanting to rush things.
> I'm open to extend the dates, and even wait another year if we need to.
Please no. Leaving things in limbo for a handful of
> On 2 Aug 2018, at 01:06, Yury Selivanov wrote:
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> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 6:44 PM Mariatta Wijaya
> wrote:
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>> Currently any undecided PEP is stalled, and no one can pronounce on them.
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> And maybe that's OK for a few months? I don't recall Guido ever
> accepting PEPs promptly. :)
On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 8:29 PM Mariatta Wijaya
wrote:
[..]
> Please don't misunderstand my wanting to set up a deadlines and process as
> wanting to rush things.
Absolutely, I understand, I didn't want to imply that "[name] is
rushing the process". Sorry if I sounded this way. I do have an
>
> IIRC we always promoted core devs by popular vote, so I don't think
> this would be a problem. Do we have any candidates that are currently
> waiting for us deciding on a governance model?
If this new governance model will include core devs being able to vote on
PEPs, then I will have
On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 6:44 PM Mariatta Wijaya
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> Thank you for the responses and concerns.
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> I do want to keep this discussion open and ongoing, and I still think that we
> do need a set deadline on things.
I talked to a few core developers recently (at EuroPython and over
Thank you for the responses and concerns.
I do want to keep this discussion open and ongoing, and I still think that
we do need a set deadline on things.
Currently any undecided PEP is stalled, and no one can pronounce on them.
And we probably won't/can't promote any new core devs until we have
On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 5:26 PM Nathaniel Smith wrote:
[..]
> Now we have to figure that out: the legitimacy of any new governance
> system is ultimately going to have to rest on the consensus of the
> core devs. The only way I know to get that is by taking the time to
> work through the difficult
I think Nathaniel and Marc-André are speaking wisely here.
Sorry, I've not much to add ;-)
Regards
Antoine.
Le 01/08/2018 à 23:22, Nathaniel Smith a écrit :
> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 12:41 PM, Mariatta Wijaya
> wrote:
>> Since this is like a CFP I figured we should clarify what's expected the
On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 12:41 PM, Mariatta Wijaya
wrote:
> Since this is like a CFP I figured we should clarify what's expected the
> proposal, and I also wanted to be more detailed in the timeline.
>
> Oct 1 00:00:00 UTC: Deadline of coming up with proposals of governance
> model.
>
> To be
Thanks for your action plan, Mariatta, but I'm -1 on having
strict timelines for these processes.
We need to gradually approach a new model as we've done in the
past decades and not push for any possibly borked model right from
the start. The processes for this need to stay flexible, easy
to
Thanks! AoE timezone works for me.
In that case, let's use AoE instead of UTC.
Mariatta
On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 1:36 PM Thomas Wouters wrote:
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> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 12:42 PM Mariatta Wijaya
> wrote:
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>> 2. Are people ok UTC timezone?
>>
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> FYI, for the PSF elections and similar
On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 12:42 PM Mariatta Wijaya
wrote:
> 2. Are people ok UTC timezone?
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FYI, for the PSF elections and similar deadlines, we use the AoE timezone:
https://www.timeanddate.com/time/zones/aoe -- it makes it harder for people
to miss the deadline for timezone reasons.
--
Thomas
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