Re: [Python-Dev] status of development documentation

2005-12-20 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Fredrik Lundh wrote: > or is it time to move away from the current "odd-format-with-extensive- > semantic-markup-that-nobody-uses-and-only-a-few-people-fully-under- > stand" approach to something quicker and dirtier [1] ? If you just want to know what your changes look like: type "make html" in th

Re: [Python-Dev] Sets are mappings?

2005-12-20 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
Aahz wrote: > On Tue, Dec 20, 2005, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >> Josiah Carlson wrote: >>> New superclasses for all built-in types (except for string and unicode, >>> which already subclass from basestring). >>> >>> int, float, complex (long) : subclass from basenumber >>> tuple, list, set : subclass fr

[Python-Dev] Sets are mappings?

2005-12-20 Thread Aahz
On Tue, Dec 20, 2005, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Josiah Carlson wrote: >> >> New superclasses for all built-in types (except for string and unicode, >> which already subclass from basestring). >> >> int, float, complex (long) : subclass from basenumber >> tuple, list, set : subclass from basesequence

Re: [Python-Dev] Keep default comparisons - or add a second set?

2005-12-20 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
Josiah Carlson wrote: > Jim Fulton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Jim Jewett wrote: >>> PEP 3000 now suggests that dropping default comparison has become more >>> than an idle what-if. >>> >>> Unfortunately, one very common use case of comparisons is to get a >>> canonical order. If the order is se

Re: [Python-Dev] Keep default comparisons - or add a second set?

2005-12-20 Thread Josiah Carlson
Jim Fulton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Jim Jewett wrote: > > PEP 3000 now suggests that dropping default comparison has become more > > than an idle what-if. > > > > Unfortunately, one very common use case of comparisons is to get a > > canonical order. If the order is sensible, all the bett

[Python-Dev] [OT] Fwd: a new python port: iPod

2005-12-20 Thread Neal Norwitz
I know this is OT, but I thought y'all might find this interesting. -- n -- Forwarded message -- From: jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I saw in http://www.python.org/download/download_other.html that people notify python ports to other platforms/devices. I po

[Python-Dev] os.startfile with optional second parameter

2005-12-20 Thread Thomas Heller
Would a patch be accepted that implemented an optional second parameter for the os.startfile function on Windows? Sometimes I missed the possibility to write os.startfile("mydocs.pdf", "print") Thomas ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.o

[Python-Dev] Build failure and problem on Windows

2005-12-20 Thread Thomas Heller
Building the svn trunk on Windows fails because Python\pyarena.c is missing in the pythoncore.vcproj file (I'm not yet up to speed with svn, otherwise I would have checked in a fix for this myself). Worse, when running the built exe it segfaults in Py_GetBuildInfo(), because it is picking up some

Re: [Python-Dev] Build failure and problem on Windows

2005-12-20 Thread Thomas Heller
Thomas Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Building the svn trunk on Windows fails because Python\pyarena.c is > missing in the pythoncore.vcproj file (I'm not yet up to speed with svn, > otherwise I would have checked in a fix for this myself). > > Worse, when running the built exe it segfaults

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Re: [Python-Dev] Keep default comparisons - or add a second set?

2005-12-20 Thread Michael Urman
On 12/19/05, Josiah Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Michael Urman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Such as sorted(stuff, key=id)? > > I believe that ideally, canonical orderings would be persistant across > sessions. Erm, yes, I totally missed that in Jim's original preferred requirements. An

Re: [Python-Dev] fixing log messages

2005-12-20 Thread Steve Holden
Fredrik Lundh wrote: > Steve Holden wrote: > > >>>I'd say that any spelling with more than 500,000 google hits is perfectly >>>valid... >>> >> >>Anything you say, Frederick ... >> >>thirteen-million-google-hits-can't-possibly-be-wrong-ly y'rs - steve > > > oh, frederick is a perfectly valid e

Re: [Python-Dev] fixing log messages

2005-12-20 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Steve Holden wrote: >> I'd say that any spelling with more than 500,000 google hits is perfectly >> valid... >> > Anything you say, Frederick ... > > thirteen-million-google-hits-can't-possibly-be-wrong-ly y'rs - steve oh, frederick is a perfectly valid english spelling of the germanic name "F

Re: [Python-Dev] Keep default comparisons - or add a second set?

2005-12-20 Thread Jim Fulton
Jim Jewett wrote: > PEP 3000 now suggests that dropping default comparison has become more > than an idle what-if. > > Unfortunately, one very common use case of comparisons is to get a > canonical order. If the order is sensible, all the better, but that > is not strictly required. One of Pytho

Re: [Python-Dev] fixing log messages

2005-12-20 Thread Steve Holden
Fredrik Lundh wrote: > Steve Holden wrote: > > >>That's "embarrassing", by the way. You're obviously having a bad >>spelling day :-) > > > I'd say that any spelling with more than 500,000 google hits is perfectly > valid... > Anything you say, Frederick ... thirteen-million-google-hits-can't

[Python-Dev] status of development documentation

2005-12-20 Thread Fredrik Lundh
the "Documentation Development" page at http://www.python.org/dev/doc/ contains a link to a "SVN trunk" version which was last updated nearly four months ago. what would it take to automatically update the trunk docs, say, once a day or so ? or is it time to move away from the current "odd-

Re: [Python-Dev] fixing log messages

2005-12-20 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Steve Holden wrote: > That's "embarrassing", by the way. You're obviously having a bad > spelling day :-) I'd say that any spelling with more than 500,000 google hits is perfectly valid... ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://

Re: [Python-Dev] Expose Subversion revision number to Python

2005-12-20 Thread Michael Hudson
"LD 'Gus' Landis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > > So, what does one get when built on a system not connected to > the net? say from a tarball? Um, the two things you mention are unrelated. svnversion doesn't access the network, so the first thing is moot. For the second, we've talked

Re: [Python-Dev] Expose Subversion revision number to Python

2005-12-20 Thread LD 'Gus' Landis
Hi, So, what does one get when built on a system not connected to the net? say from a tarball? It can happen, ya know. Cheers, --ldl On 12/18/05, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Barry Warsaw wrote: > > Yes, here's my thought: I have a mod to Makefile.pre.in and > > getbuild