Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 28, 2006, at 7:10 PM, Phillip J. Eby wrote: > Well, you can always use setuptools, which generates script > wrappers that import the desired module and call a function, after > first setting up sys.path. :) That's so 21st Century! Where

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 28, 2006, at 4:19 PM, Phillip J. Eby wrote: > At 01:05 PM 11/28/2006 -0800, Guido van Rossum wrote: >> On 11/28/06, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > There's a related issue that may or may not be in scope for this >> > thread. For

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-28 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 06:41 PM 11/28/2006 -0500, Barry Warsaw wrote: >On Nov 28, 2006, at 4:19 PM, Phillip J. Eby wrote: >>At 01:05 PM 11/28/2006 -0800, Guido van Rossum wrote: >>>On 11/28/06, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> > There's a related issue that may or may not be in scope for this >>> > thread.

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-28 Thread glyph
On 11:45 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I keep thinking I'd like to treat the OS as just another application, >so that there's nothing special about it and the same infrastructure >could be used for other applications with lots of entry level scripts. I agree. The motivation here is that the "OS"

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-28 Thread Gregory P. Smith
> I question whether a distro built on Python can even afford to allow > 3rd party packages to be installed in their system's site-packages. > Maybe Python needs to extend its system-centric view of site-packages > with an application-centric and/or user-centric view of extensions? Agree

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 28, 2006, at 4:05 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > On 11/28/06, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> There's a related issue that may or may not be in scope for this >> thread. For distros like Gentoo or Ubuntu that rely heavily on their >>

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-28 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 01:05 PM 11/28/2006 -0800, Guido van Rossum wrote: >On 11/28/06, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There's a related issue that may or may not be in scope for this > > thread. For distros like Gentoo or Ubuntu that rely heavily on their > > own system Python for the OS to work properl

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-28 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 11/28/06, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There's a related issue that may or may not be in scope for this > thread. For distros like Gentoo or Ubuntu that rely heavily on their > own system Python for the OS to work properly, I'm quite loathe to > install Cheeseshop packages into the

Re: [Python-Dev] ctypes and powerpc

2006-11-28 Thread Thomas Heller
Ronald Oussoren schrieb: > > On Friday, November 24, 2006, at 08:21PM, "Thomas Heller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >>I'd like to ask for help with an issue which I do not know >>how to solve. >> >>Please see this bug http://python.org/sf/1563807 >>"ctypes built with GCC on AIX 5.3 fails with ld

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 28, 2006, at 2:41 PM, Mike Orr wrote: > On 11/28/06, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> For distros like Gentoo or Ubuntu that rely heavily on their >> own system Python for the OS to work properly, I'm quite loathe to >> install Cheese

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-28 Thread Mike Orr
On 11/28/06, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For distros like Gentoo or Ubuntu that rely heavily on their > own system Python for the OS to work properly, I'm quite loathe to > install Cheeseshop packages into the system site-packages. I've had > Gentoo break occasionally when I did this

Re: [Python-Dev] Distribution tools: What I would like to see

2006-11-28 Thread Talin
Martin v. Löwis wrote: > Talin schrieb: >> To that extent, it can be useful sometimes to have someone who is in the >> process of learning how to use the system, and who is willing to >> carefully analyze and write down their own experiences while doing so. > > I readily agree that the document

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-28 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Robin Bryce schrieb: > python2.4 profile (pstats) etc, was removed due to licensing issues > rather than FHS. Should not be an issue for python2.5 but what, in > general, can a vendor do except break python if their licensing policy > cant accommodate all of pythons batteries ? If some vendor has

Re: [Python-Dev] Distribution tools: What I would like to see

2006-11-28 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Talin schrieb: > To that extent, it can be useful sometimes to have someone who is in the > process of learning how to use the system, and who is willing to > carefully analyze and write down their own experiences while doing so. I readily agree that the documentation can be improved, and appla

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 28, 2006, at 8:53 AM, Anthony Baxter wrote: > (The only other packaging thing like this that I'm aware of is > python-minimal in Ubuntu. This is done for installation purposes > and wacky dependency issues that occur when a fair chunk of the O/

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-28 Thread Anthony Baxter
On Tuesday 28 November 2006 23:19, Robin Bryce wrote: > python2.4 profile (pstats) etc, was removed due to licensing > issues rather than FHS. Should not be an issue for python2.5 but > what, in general, can a vendor do except break python if their > licensing policy cant accommodate all of pythons

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-28 Thread Robin Bryce
> Actually, I meant that (among other things) it should be clarified that > it's alright to e.g. put .pyc and data files inside Python library > directories, and NOT okay to split them up. Phillip, Just to be clear: I understand you are not in favour of re-packaging data from python projects (proj