Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-30 Thread Andrew Bennetts
On Fri, Dec 01, 2006 at 12:42:42AM +0100, Jan Claeys wrote: > Op donderdag 30-11-2006 om 21:48 uur [tijdzone +], schreef Steve > Holden: > > I think the point is that some distros (Debian is the one that springs > > to mind most readily, but I'm not a distro archivist) require a separate > >

[Python-Dev] Weekly Python Patch/Bug Summary

2006-11-30 Thread Kurt B. Kaiser
Patch / Bug Summary ___ Patches : 407 open ( +1) / 3484 closed ( +5) / 3891 total ( +6) Bugs: 936 open ( +5) / 6363 closed (+14) / 7299 total (+19) RFE : 246 open ( +1) / 244 closed ( +0) / 490 total ( +1) New / Reopened Patches __ sys.id()

[Python-Dev] fpectl: does a better implementation make sense?

2006-11-30 Thread Giovanni Bajo
Hello, I spent my last couple of hourse reading several past threads about fpectl. If I'm correct 1) fpectl is scheduled for deletion in 2.6. 2) The biggest problem is that the C standard says that it's undefined to return from a SIGFPE handler. Thus, it's impossible to traps floating point ex

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-30 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 30, 2006, at 6:44 PM, Greg Ewing wrote: > Barry Warsaw wrote: > >> When I switched to OS X for most of my desktops, I had several >> collisions in this namespace. > > I think on MacOSX you have to consider that it's really > ~/Documents and

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-30 Thread Steve Holden
Jan Claeys wrote: [...] > Probably the Debian maintainers could have named packages differently to > make things less confusing for newbies (e.g. by having the 'pythonX.Y' > packages being meta-packages that depend on all binary packages built > from the upstream source package), but that doesn't m

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-30 Thread Jan Claeys
Op vrijdag 01-12-2006 om 12:44 uur [tijdzone +1300], schreef Greg Ewing: > With ~/.local, you're hiding the fact that the applications > or libraries or whatever are even there in the first > place. You've got all this disk space being used up, > but no way of seeing where or by what, and no > obvi

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-30 Thread Greg Ewing
Barry Warsaw wrote: > When I switched to OS X for most of my desktops, I had several > collisions in this namespace. I think on MacOSX you have to consider that it's really ~/Documents and the like that are *your* namespaces, rather than the top level of your home directory. Also, I think MacO

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-30 Thread Jan Claeys
Op donderdag 30-11-2006 om 21:48 uur [tijdzone +], schreef Steve Holden: > I think the point is that some distros (Debian is the one that springs > to mind most readily, but I'm not a distro archivist) require a separate > install for distutils even though it's been a part of the standard >

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-30 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 02:46 PM 11/30/2006 -0800, Mike Orr wrote: >Speaking of Virtual Python [1], I've heard some people recommending it >as a general solution to the "this library breaks that other >application" problem and "this app needs a different version of X >library than that other app does". It was actually

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-30 Thread Mike Orr
On 11/29/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The major advantage ~/.local has for *nix systems is the ability to have a > parallel *bin* directory, which provides the user one location to set their > $PATH to, so that installed scripts work as expected, rather than having to > edit a

Re: [Python-Dev] Small tweak to tokenize.py?

2006-11-30 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 11/30/06, Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Guido van Rossum wrote: > > > Are you opposed changing tokenize? If so, why (apart from > > compatibility)? ISTM that it would be a good thing if it reported > > everything except horizontal whitespace. > > it would be a good thing if it could

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-30 Thread Steve Holden
Jan Claeys wrote: > Op woensdag 29-11-2006 om 12:23 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Armin > Rigo: >> I could not agree more. Nowadays, whenever I get an account on a new >> Linux machine, the first thing I have to do is reinstall Python >> correctly in my home dir because the system Python lacks dis

Re: [Python-Dev] Small tweak to tokenize.py?

2006-11-30 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 11/30/06, Phillip J. Eby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 10:28 AM 11/30/2006 -0800, Guido van Rossum wrote: > >Are you opposed changing tokenize? If so, why (apart from > >compatibility)? > > Nothing apart from compatibility. I think you should have to explicitly > request the new behavior(s),

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-30 Thread Jan Claeys
Op woensdag 29-11-2006 om 12:23 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Armin Rigo: > I could not agree more. Nowadays, whenever I get an account on a new > Linux machine, the first thing I have to do is reinstall Python > correctly in my home dir because the system Python lacks distutils. > Wasteful. (The

Re: [Python-Dev] Small tweak to tokenize.py?

2006-11-30 Thread python
> It would be trivial to add another yield to tokenize.py when > the backslah is detected +1 > I think that it should probably yield a single NL pseudo-token > whose value is a backslash followed by a newline; or perhaps it > should yield the backslash as a comment token, or as a new token. Th

Re: [Python-Dev] Small tweak to tokenize.py?

2006-11-30 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 10:28 AM 11/30/2006 -0800, Guido van Rossum wrote: >Are you opposed changing tokenize? If so, why (apart from >compatibility)? Nothing apart from compatibility. I think you should have to explicitly request the new behavior(s), since tools (like detokenize) written to work around the old beh

Re: [Python-Dev] Small tweak to tokenize.py?

2006-11-30 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Guido van Rossum wrote: > Are you opposed changing tokenize? If so, why (apart from > compatibility)? ISTM that it would be a good thing if it reported > everything except horizontal whitespace. it would be a good thing if it could, optionally, be made to report horizontal whitespace as well.

Re: [Python-Dev] Small tweak to tokenize.py?

2006-11-30 Thread Guido van Rossum
Are you opposed changing tokenize? If so, why (apart from compatibility)? ISTM that it would be a good thing if it reported everything except horizontal whitespace. On 11/30/06, Phillip J. Eby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 09:49 AM 11/30/2006 -0800, Guido van Rossum wrote: > >I've got a small tw

Re: [Python-Dev] Small tweak to tokenize.py?

2006-11-30 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 09:49 AM 11/30/2006 -0800, Guido van Rossum wrote: >I've got a small tweak to tokenize.py that I'd like to run by folks here. > >I'm working on a refactoring tool for Python 2.x-to-3.x conversion, >and my approach is to build a full parse tree with annotations that >show where the whitespace and

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-30 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 06:02 PM 11/30/2006 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >On 05:37 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >Perhaps "pyinstall"? > >Keep in mind that Python packages will still generally be >*system*-installed with other tools, like dpkg (or apt) and rpm, on >systems which have them. The name of the packag

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-30 Thread glyph
On 05:37 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Perhaps "pyinstall"? Keep in mind that Python packages will still generally be *system*-installed with other tools, like dpkg (or apt) and rpm, on systems which have them. The name of the packaging system we're talking about is called either "eggs" or "se

[Python-Dev] Small tweak to tokenize.py?

2006-11-30 Thread Guido van Rossum
I've got a small tweak to tokenize.py that I'd like to run by folks here. I'm working on a refactoring tool for Python 2.x-to-3.x conversion, and my approach is to build a full parse tree with annotations that show where the whitespace and comments go. I use the tokenize module to scan the input.

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-30 Thread Bill Janssen
Perhaps "pyinstall"? Bill > On Nov 30, 2006, at 9:49 AM, Talin wrote: > > > I really don't like all these "cute" names, simply because they are > > obscure. Names that only make sense once you've gotten the joke may > > be self-gratifying but not good HCI. > > Warsaw's Fifth Law :) > > > H

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-30 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 30, 2006, at 9:49 AM, Talin wrote: > I really don't like all these "cute" names, simply because they are > obscure. Names that only make sense once you've gotten the joke may > be self-gratifying but not good HCI. Warsaw's Fifth Law :) >

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-30 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 30, 2006, at 9:40 AM, Talin wrote: > Greg Ewing wrote: >> Barry Warsaw wrote: >>> I'm not sure I like ~/.local though - -- it seems counter to the >>> app-specific dot-file approach old schoolers like me are used to. >> Problems with that a

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-30 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On Thursday, November 30, 2006, at 03:49PM, "Talin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Barry Warsaw wrote: >>> On the "easy_install" naming front, how about "layegg"? >> >> I think I once proposed "hatch" but that may not be quite the right >> word (where's Ken M when you need him? :). > >I really do

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-30 Thread Talin
Barry Warsaw wrote: >> On the "easy_install" naming front, how about "layegg"? > > I think I once proposed "hatch" but that may not be quite the right > word (where's Ken M when you need him? :). I really don't like all these "cute" names, simply because they are obscure. Names that only make

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-30 Thread Talin
Greg Ewing wrote: > Barry Warsaw wrote: >> I'm not sure I like ~/.local though >> - -- it seems counter to the app-specific dot-file approach old >> schoolers like me are used to. > > Problems with that are starting to show, though. > There's a particular Unix account that I've had for > quite