Re: [Python-Dev] April 1st jokes (was: Base-96)

2008-08-03 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Sat, Aug 02, 2008 at 02:15:29PM -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote: On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was an April Fool's RFC. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Fools%27_Day_RFC -- it has a ton of these. Great fun reading through some of

Re: [Python-Dev] April 1st jokes

2008-08-03 Thread Georg Brandl
Oleg Broytmann schrieb: On Sat, Aug 02, 2008 at 02:15:29PM -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote: On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was an April Fool's RFC. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Fools%27_Day_RFC -- it has a ton of these. Great fun

Re: [Python-Dev] April 1st jokes (was: Base-96)

2008-08-03 Thread Guido van Rossum
Hm, I'm sure there were many more, perhaps in different places. I recall participating with Larry Wall in the announcement of Parrot, a Python/Perl merger -- hence the name of the Perl 6 VM. And others. I'd love to see people post more references here! (Georg already posted the April Fool's PEPs.)

[Python-Dev] Issue with distutils and new mingw binutils

2008-08-03 Thread Paul Moore
Can I draw python-dev's attention to http://bugs.python.org/issue3496 ? Without this fix, distutils doesn't support the new version of binutils (which is probably coming into more common use). It would be good if this could be fixed for 2.6. I've attached a patch to the issue report, could

Re: [Python-Dev] April 1st jokes (was: Base-96)

2008-08-03 Thread skip
Guido Hm, I'm sure there were many more, perhaps in different places. I figured it's a slow Sunday so I'd collect them on the wiki: http://wiki.python.org/moin/AprilFools I found the Python/Perl joint development press release, but only on the Wayback machine. It appears that when

[Python-Dev] String concatenation

2008-08-03 Thread Stavros Korokithakis
Hello, is concatenation of adjacent strings a useful feature? So far the only use case I've seen is causing me endless hours of debugging when I forget the comma in a tuple of strings, like so: (first, second third) Which then becomes a tuple of two items, instead of three. It would have

Re: [Python-Dev] String concatenation

2008-08-03 Thread Michael Foord
Stavros Korokithakis wrote: Hello, is concatenation of adjacent strings a useful feature? So far the only use case I've seen is causing me endless hours of debugging when I forget the comma in a tuple of strings, like so: (first, second third) Which then becomes a tuple of two items,

Re: [Python-Dev] String concatenation

2008-08-03 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stavros Korokithakis wrote: Hello, is concatenation of adjacent strings a useful feature? So far the only use case I've seen is causing me endless hours of debugging when I forget the comma in a tuple of strings, like so: (first, second

Re: [Python-Dev] String concatenation

2008-08-03 Thread Stavros Korokithakis
Hmm, thanks, although I don't see why it was rejected, since it seems to me that by using the addition operator or triple-quoting all the use cases would become clearer and not significantly harder to write, while the (often silent) errors would not happen any more. The PEP only mentions that

Re: [Python-Dev] String concatenation

2008-08-03 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Tres Seaver tseaver at palladion.com writes: -1. The feature exists to allow adherence to PEP-8, Limit all lines to a maximum of 79 characters., without requiring runtime concatenation costs. I use it frequently when assembling and testing message strings, for instance. In many cases

Re: [Python-Dev] String concatenation

2008-08-03 Thread Simon Cross
On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Antoine Pitrou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In many cases there is no runtime concatenation cost. def f(): ... return first + second ... import dis dis.dis(f) 2 0 LOAD_CONST 3 ('firstsecond') 3 RETURN_VALUE The many cases

Re: [Python-Dev] String concatenation

2008-08-03 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le dimanche 03 août 2008 à 20:38 +0200, Simon Cross a écrit : The many cases only extends to strings whose combined length is less than 20 characters: Oops. I didn't know that. Is there any rationale (I suppose so)? ___ Python-Dev mailing list

[Python-Dev] new mailing list: python-committers

2008-08-03 Thread Brett Cannon
I figured I would send out a quick email to let people know of the existence of a new mailing list: python-committers (http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers) so that no one thinks something sneaky is going on behind the scenes. It is invite-only, but publicly archived. The

Re: [Python-Dev] String concatenation

2008-08-03 Thread Nick Coghlan
Stavros Korokithakis wrote: Hmm, thanks, although I don't see why it was rejected, since it seems to me that by using the addition operator or triple-quoting all the use cases would become clearer and not significantly harder to write, while the (often silent) errors would not happen any more.

Re: [Python-Dev] April 1st jokes

2008-08-03 Thread Greg Ewing
Guido van Rossum wrote: Hm, I'm sure there were many more, perhaps in different places. Although it wasn't April 1, here's one I posted in response to python-dev discussions. http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2001-May/084169.html There was also another one concerning how to reduce

Re: [Python-Dev] April 1st jokes (was: Base-96)

2008-08-03 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 10:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guido Hm, I'm sure there were many more, perhaps in different places. I figured it's a slow Sunday so I'd collect them on the wiki: http://wiki.python.org/moin/AprilFools Great! I found the Python/Perl joint development

Re: [Python-Dev] April 1st jokes (was: Base-96)

2008-08-03 Thread Aahz
On Sun, Aug 03, 2008, Guido van Rossum wrote: On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 10:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found the Python/Perl joint development press release, but only on the Wayback machine. It appears that when redesigning the python.org website that page was deemed inappropriate.