Re: [Python-Dev] Proposing PEP 345 : Metadata for Python Software Packages 1.2

2009-12-23 Thread David Lyon
On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:31:09 +0900, "Stephen J. Turnbull" wrote: > Martin's point is that the PEP process doesn't *have* "reference" > implementations. It has *sample* implementations. It may be useful > to refer to a sample implementation as an example.. Fair enough. But otoh, asking for samp

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposing PEP 345 : Metadata for Python Software Packages 1.2

2009-12-23 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
David Lyon writes: > > I am just describing the needs and the end user PoV with the reference > > implementation that happens to be used by *all* tools out there. > > That's good. That's what we need right now. Martin's point is that the PEP process doesn't *have* "reference" implementations

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposing PEP 345 : Metadata for Python Software Packages 1.2

2009-12-23 Thread David Lyon
Martin, As an application developer, I really stand with Tarek here. On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:07:30 +0100, Tarek Ziadé wrote: > 2009/12/23 "Martin v. Löwis" : >>> I think we want something stronger than that since they were not really >>> used by >>> the community and removed and replaced by some

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposing PEP 345 : Metadata for Python Software Packages 1.2

2009-12-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> So that will happen in the code of course, but we need the PEP to state > clearly > wether metadata 1.0 and 1.1 should be dropped by implementations or not. Ok. We should recommend that implementations support these versions indefinitely. I see no point in dropping them. But then, this is real

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposing PEP 345 : Metadata for Python Software Packages 1.2

2009-12-23 Thread Tarek Ziadé
2009/12/23 "Martin v. Löwis" : >> I think we want something stronger than that since they were not really used >> by >> the community and removed and replaced by something better. Using them >> should raise a warning so developers abandon them, so it would be >> "don't use 1.1 anymore" > > I think

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposing PEP 345 : Metadata for Python Software Packages 1.2

2009-12-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> I think we want something stronger than that since they were not really used > by > the community and removed and replaced by something better. Using them > should raise a warning so developers abandon them, so it would be > "don't use 1.1 anymore" I think you are mixing the distutils implement

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposing PEP 345 : Metadata for Python Software Packages 1.2

2009-12-23 Thread Tarek Ziadé
2009/12/23 "Martin v. Löwis" : >> The deprecation of the existing Requires/Provides/Obsoletes fields >> should be more prominent - tucked away below the examples, I missed >> these notices on the first read through (I only noticed that they >> actually had been formally deprecated when I got to the

Re: [Python-Dev] First draft of "sysconfig"

2009-12-23 Thread Glyph Lefkowitz
On Dec 23, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Frank Wierzbicki wrote: > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Tarek Ziadé wrote: >> and for Linux and al, I am not sure but maybe a prefix for >> Jython/etc.. could be used >> for all paths. >> >> ~/.locale/lib/python/2.6/site-packages/... >> ~/.locale/jython/lib/pyth

Re: [Python-Dev] First draft of "sysconfig"

2009-12-23 Thread Frank Wierzbicki
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Tarek Ziadé wrote: > and for Linux and al, I am not sure but maybe a prefix for > Jython/etc.. could be used > for all paths. > > ~/.locale/lib/python/2.6/site-packages/... > ~/.locale/jython/lib/python/2.6/site-packages/... > > (I didn't digg on how Jython organiz

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposing PEP 345 : Metadata for Python Software Packages 1.2

2009-12-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> The deprecation of the existing Requires/Provides/Obsoletes fields > should be more prominent - tucked away below the examples, I missed > these notices on the first read through (I only noticed that they > actually had been formally deprecated when I got to the summary of > differences at the en

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposing PEP 345 : Metadata for Python Software Packages 1.2

2009-12-23 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Tarek Ziadé wrote: [..] > > if a "1.2" field is found and no "1.1" field is found: >    metadata 1.2 is used > if a "1.1" field is found and no "1.2" field is found: >    metadata 1.1 is used + a warning is displayed > if a "1.1" field is found and a "1.2" field i

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposing PEP 345 : Metadata for Python Software Packages 1.2

2009-12-23 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 3:31 AM, Tres Seaver wrote: [..] >> >> The deprecation of the existing Requires/Provides/Obsoletes fields >> should be more prominent - tucked away below the examples, I missed >> these notices on the first read through (I only noticed that they >> actually had been formall