[Python-Dev] [ANN] Python 2.5.5 Release Candidate 1.

2010-01-14 Thread Martin v. Löwis
On behalf of the Python development team and the Python community, I'm happy to announce the release candidate 1 of Python 2.5.5. This is a source-only release that only includes security fixes. The last full bug-fix release of Python 2.5 was Python 2.5.4. Users are encouraged to upgrade to the la

Re: [Python-Dev] PYTHON3PATH

2010-01-14 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
Ralf Schmitt wrote: > "M.-A. Lemburg" writes: > >> >> Naive users won't have PYTHONPATH or any other Python environment >> variables setup. >> >> Really, if you know that you are going to run Python 3 instead of >> Python 2 or vice-versa it's easy enough to run > > You don't even know that you'r

Re: [Python-Dev] PYTHON3PATH

2010-01-14 Thread Ralf Schmitt
"M.-A. Lemburg" writes: > > Naive users won't have PYTHONPATH or any other Python environment > variables setup. > > Really, if you know that you are going to run Python 3 instead of > Python 2 or vice-versa it's easy enough to run You don't even know that you're going to run python. I have 40 p

Re: [Python-Dev] PYTHON3PATH

2010-01-14 Thread Michael Foord
On 14/01/2010 21:02, Nick Coghlan wrote: However, I agree that that is a fairly unlikely scenario (since preinstalled Pythons tend not to rely on the e Well, on the other hand I think that during the next few years it will be increasingly common for developers (and possibly users) to have Pytho

Re: [Python-Dev] PYTHON3PATH

2010-01-14 Thread Nick Coghlan
M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Nick Coghlan wrote: >> Guido van Rossum wrote: >>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 9:57 AM, sstein...@gmail.com > Or, how about >>> just removing the antiquated use of environment variables altogether >>> from Python 3 and avoid the issue completely. >>> >>> -1. They have their use,

Re: [Python-Dev] PYTHON3PATH

2010-01-14 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
Nick Coghlan wrote: > Guido van Rossum wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 9:57 AM, sstein...@gmail.com > Or, how about >> just removing the antiquated use of environment variables altogether >> from Python 3 and avoid the issue completely. >> >> -1. They have their use, but more in controlled situat

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 391 - Please Vote!

2010-01-14 Thread Jesse Noller
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Vinay Sajip wrote: >> From: Jesse Noller > >> I'm generally +1 - but given I know that Django 1.2 is slated to >> implement something somewhat similar, I'm interested to hear how this >> proposal meshes with their plan(s).. > > Django 1.2 will most likely not impl

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 391 - Please Vote!

2010-01-14 Thread sstein...@gmail.com
On Jan 14, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Vinay Sajip wrote: >> From: Jesse Noller > >> I'm generally +1 - but given I know that Django 1.2 is slated to >> implement something somewhat similar, I'm interested to hear how this >> proposal meshes with their plan(s).. > > Django 1.2 will most likely not imple

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 391 - Please Vote!

2010-01-14 Thread Vinay Sajip
> From: Jesse Noller > I'm generally +1 - but given I know that Django 1.2 is slated to > implement something somewhat similar, I'm interested to hear how this > proposal meshes with their plan(s).. Django 1.2 will most likely not implement logging - they're now in feature freeze for big featur

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 391 - Please Vote!

2010-01-14 Thread Jesse Noller
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 4:23 AM, Vinay Sajip wrote: > In October 2009 I created PEP 391 to propose a new method of configuring > logging using dictionaries: > >  http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0391/ > > In November 2009 I posted to this list that the PEP was ready for review. > > I have had n

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 391 - Please Vote!

2010-01-14 Thread Nick Coghlan
Vinay Sajip wrote: > In October 2009 I created PEP 391 to propose a new method of > configuring logging using dictionaries: > > http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0391/ Although one minor comment: you can probably remove the note about the "ext://" and "cfg://" prefixes being provisional at this

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 391 - Please Vote!

2010-01-14 Thread Nick Coghlan
Paul Moore wrote: > 2010/1/14 Vinay Sajip : >> So, can you please indicate your vote for or against incorporating PEP 391 >> into Python? > > I've no immediate need for the feature, but it would be good to have > something like this, so I'm +1. I'm in the same boat as Paul, but PEP 291 provides

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 391 - Please Vote!

2010-01-14 Thread Paul Moore
2010/1/14 Vinay Sajip : > So, can you please indicate your vote for or against incorporating PEP 391 > into Python? I've no immediate need for the feature, but it would be good to have something like this, so I'm +1. Paul. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Py

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 391 - Please Vote!

2010-01-14 Thread Simon Cross
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Vinay Sajip wrote: > So, can you please indicate your vote for or against incorporating PEP 391 > into Python? I think the dict configuration scheme will be a great addition to the logging module. :) Schiavo Simon ___

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 391 - Please Vote!

2010-01-14 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Vinay Sajip wrote: [..] > So, can you please indicate your vote for or against incorporating PEP 391 > into Python? It would > be nice if I could incorporate the changes before 2.7a3 is released! Ideally, > I would like to check > in the changes unless there are

[Python-Dev] PEP 391 - Please Vote!

2010-01-14 Thread Vinay Sajip
In October 2009 I created PEP 391 to propose a new method of configuring logging using dictionaries: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0391/ In November 2009 I posted to this list that the PEP was ready for review. I have had numerous helpful comments from some of you, and I have incorporate