Re: [Python-Dev] Enhanced tracker privileges for dangerjim to do triage.

2010-04-25 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Sounds good. Why is the barrier for this permission any higher than > someone asking for it? Is there really a need to protect against > contributors with malicious intent? There is a little risk. People doing triage can make two common mistakes, and both do happen in the Python tracker from t

Re: [Python-Dev] Enhanced tracker privileges for dangerjim to do triage.

2010-04-25 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> If adding people created work for already-busy developers then I'd be > against it* I most certainly does create work, but that could be as little as sending an email message to some administrator. There is no other way: somebody will have to make a decision, and that is "work". Regards, Marti

Re: [Python-Dev] Enhanced tracker privileges for "dangerjim" to do triage.

2010-04-25 Thread Sean Reifschneider
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 08:42:00PM -0400, Terry Reedy wrote: >What is *his* interest? How long has he known and used Python? Good points have been made on both sides of the issue here. Despite my having a vested interest, I really have no strong feelings one way or another on the initial request.

Re: [Python-Dev] Enhanced tracker privileges for dangerjim to do triage.

2010-04-25 Thread Lennart Regebro
I'd say there is something wrong with the process. If a trusted developer can't get somebody more privilege on the tracker by saying that "I trust this guy", then a new process is needed. That's it's too hard to get privileges in the Python development community has been evident too long, I think.

Re: [Python-Dev] Enhanced tracker privileges for dangerjim to do triage.

2010-04-25 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Tres Seaver writes: > I think there is a definite "unpriced externality" to keeping the > process barriers high here. The proposed trial period is not a high barrier, except to those who really didn't want to being doing the work anyway. Note that There is also an externality to having account

Re: [Python-Dev] Enhanced tracker privileges for dangerjim to do triage.

2010-04-25 Thread exarkun
On 25 Apr, 11:18 pm, st...@holdenweb.com wrote: Tres Seaver wrote: Antoine Pitrou wrote: pobox.com> writes: Sean> However, I will step up for him and say that I've known him a Sean> decade, and he's very trustworthy. He has been the president (we Sean> call that position Maximum

Re: [Python-Dev] Enhanced tracker privileges for "dangerjim" to do triage.

2010-04-25 Thread Terry Reedy
On 4/25/2010 4:31 PM, Sean Reifschneider wrote: I'm trying to get a good friend of mine to start doing bug triage on Python. What is *his* interest? How long has he known and used Python? As part of my trying to mentor him on it, I've found that many of the common things I do in triage, like

Re: [Python-Dev] Enhanced tracker privileges for dangerjim to do triage.

2010-04-25 Thread Senthil Kumaran
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 10:18:47PM +, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > I don't think Antoine is questioning Sean's judgement but rather that we > > should get into the habit of giving some people "shortcuts" through the > > regular process. > > Yes, exactly. > If we often take shortcuts with our own

Re: [Python-Dev] Enhanced tracker privileges for dangerjim to do triage.

2010-04-25 Thread Michael Foord
On 26/04/2010 00:18, Steve Holden wrote: Tres Seaver wrote: Antoine Pitrou wrote: pobox.com> writes: Sean> However, I will step up for him and say that I've known him a Sean> decade, and he's very trustworthy. He has been the president (we Sean> call tha

Re: [Python-Dev] Enhanced tracker privileges for dangerjim to do triage.

2010-04-25 Thread Steve Holden
Tres Seaver wrote: > Antoine Pitrou wrote: >> pobox.com> writes: >>> Sean> However, I will step up for him and say that I've known him a >>> Sean> decade, and he's very trustworthy. He has been the president (we >>> Sean> call that position Maximum Leader) of our Linux Users Group her

Re: [Python-Dev] Enhanced tracker privileges for dangerjim to do triage.

2010-04-25 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Antoine Pitrou wrote: > pobox.com> writes: >> >> Sean> However, I will step up for him and say that I've known him a >> Sean> decade, and he's very trustworthy. He has been the president (we >> Sean> call that position Maximum Leader) of

Re: [Python-Dev] Enhanced tracker privileges for dangerjim to do triage.

2010-04-25 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le Sun, 25 Apr 2010 16:59:14 -0500, Benjamin Peterson a écrit : > > I don't think Antoine is questioning Sean's judgement but rather that we > should get into the habit of giving some people "shortcuts" through the > regular process. Yes, exactly. If we often take shortcuts with our own process,

Re: [Python-Dev] Enhanced tracker privileges for dangerjim to do triage.

2010-04-25 Thread exarkun
On 09:39 pm, solip...@pitrou.net wrote: pobox.com> writes: Sean> However, I will step up for him and say that I've known him a Sean> decade, and he's very trustworthy. He has been the president (we Sean> call that position Maximum Leader) of our Linux Users Group here Sea

Re: [Python-Dev] Enhanced tracker privileges for dangerjim to do triage.

2010-04-25 Thread Benjamin Peterson
2010/4/25 : > >    >> Given that Sean is vouching for him I'm fine with it. > >    Antoine> I'm not sure I agree. Of course it could be argued the risk is >    Antoine> minimal, but I think it's better if all people go through the >    Antoine> same path of proving their motivation and quality of

Re: [Python-Dev] Enhanced tracker privileges for dangerjim to do triage.

2010-04-25 Thread skip
>> Given that Sean is vouching for him I'm fine with it. Antoine> I'm not sure I agree. Of course it could be argued the risk is Antoine> minimal, but I think it's better if all people go through the Antoine> same path of proving their motivation and quality of work. And Anto

Re: [Python-Dev] Enhanced tracker privileges for dangerjim to do triage.

2010-04-25 Thread Antoine Pitrou
pobox.com> writes: > > > Sean> However, I will step up for him and say that I've known him a > Sean> decade, and he's very trustworthy. He has been the president (we > Sean> call that position Maximum Leader) of our Linux Users Group here > Sean> for 5 years or so. > > Given th

Re: [Python-Dev] Enhanced tracker privileges for "dangerjim" to do triage.

2010-04-25 Thread skip
Sean> However, I will step up for him and say that I've known him a Sean> decade, and he's very trustworthy. He has been the president (we Sean> call that position Maximum Leader) of our Linux Users Group here Sean> for 5 years or so. Given that Sean is vouching for him I'm fine

[Python-Dev] Enhanced tracker privileges for "dangerjim" to do triage.

2010-04-25 Thread Sean Reifschneider
I'm trying to get a good friend of mine to start doing bug triage on Python. As part of my trying to mentor him on it, I've found that many of the common things I do in triage, like setting a priority for priorityless bugs, assigning them to people who obviously are the next step, requires enhanced

[Python-Dev] Property inheritance in Python

2010-04-25 Thread Torsten Landschoff
Hi Python experts. [It should be obvious, but you can run the code in this message via python -m doctest body.txt if you saved it as body.txt] In an application I develop on I want to use properties instead of the getter/setter paradigm. I ran into a problem overriding a property in a subclass. W

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-25 Thread Ronald Oussoren
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