Re: [Python-Dev] Two small PEP ideas

2010-04-30 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> IIRC in the IETF this is done by the committee chair. I think it's a > good idea to have this be a single person to avoid endless indecision. It then seems that this role should go to the release manager of the upcoming feature release. Assuming Georg can accept this additional responsibility.

Re: [Python-Dev] Two small PEP ideas

2010-04-30 Thread Nick Coghlan
Steve Holden wrote: > The last time I was in a UK builders' yard I hear someone asking for > "two meter pieces of two by four". At the time the UK was notionally > metric (and the timber was planed to the nearest metric size) but the > old names still survived. Yeah, a 2x4 is still a 2x4 here as w

Re: [Python-Dev] Two small PEP ideas

2010-04-30 Thread Jesse Noller
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > 2010/4/30 Antoine Pitrou : >> Jesse Noller gmail.com> writes: >>> >>> Consider this a plaintitive -1 to any sort of rule-or-decision based >>> on committee. >>> >>> I'd much rather a 2x4 to the forehead. >> >> Oops, sorry but what does "

Re: [Python-Dev] Two small PEP ideas

2010-04-30 Thread Jesse Noller
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Benjamin Peterson > wrote: >> 2010/4/30 Maciej Fijalkowski : >>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Benjamin Peterson >>> wrote: 2010/4/30 Antoine Pitrou : > Jesse Noller gmail.com> writes:

Re: [Python-Dev] Two small PEP ideas

2010-04-30 Thread Steve Holden
Michael Foord wrote: > On 01/05/2010 00:08, Benjamin Peterson wrote: >> 2010/4/30 Antoine Pitrou: >> >>> Jesse Noller gmail.com> writes: >>> Consider this a plaintitive -1 to any sort of rule-or-decision based on committee. I'd much rather a 2x4 to the forehead.

Re: [Python-Dev] Two small PEP ideas

2010-04-30 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > 2010/4/30 Maciej Fijalkowski : >> On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Benjamin Peterson >> wrote: >>> 2010/4/30 Antoine Pitrou : Jesse Noller gmail.com> writes: > > Consider this a plaintitive -1 to any sort of rule-or-decisi

Re: [Python-Dev] Two small PEP ideas

2010-04-30 Thread Benjamin Peterson
2010/4/30 Maciej Fijalkowski : > On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Benjamin Peterson > wrote: >> 2010/4/30 Antoine Pitrou : >>> Jesse Noller gmail.com> writes: Consider this a plaintitive -1 to any sort of rule-or-decision based on committee. I'd much rather a 2x4 to the

Re: [Python-Dev] Two small PEP ideas

2010-04-30 Thread Michael Foord
On 01/05/2010 00:10, Maciej Fijalkowski wrote: On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: 2010/4/30 Antoine Pitrou: Jesse Noller gmail.com> writes: Consider this a plaintitive -1 to any sort of rule-or-decision based on committee. I'd much rather a 2x4 to t

Re: [Python-Dev] Two small PEP ideas

2010-04-30 Thread Michael Foord
On 01/05/2010 00:08, Benjamin Peterson wrote: 2010/4/30 Antoine Pitrou: Jesse Noller gmail.com> writes: Consider this a plaintitive -1 to any sort of rule-or-decision based on committee. I'd much rather a 2x4 to the forehead. Oops, sorry but what does "a 2x4 to the forehea

Re: [Python-Dev] Two small PEP ideas

2010-04-30 Thread Maciej Fijalkowski
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > 2010/4/30 Antoine Pitrou : >> Jesse Noller gmail.com> writes: >>> >>> Consider this a plaintitive -1 to any sort of rule-or-decision based >>> on committee. >>> >>> I'd much rather a 2x4 to the forehead. >> >> Oops, sorry but what does "

Re: [Python-Dev] Two small PEP ideas

2010-04-30 Thread Benjamin Peterson
2010/4/30 Antoine Pitrou : > Jesse Noller gmail.com> writes: >> >> Consider this a plaintitive -1 to any sort of rule-or-decision based >> on committee. >> >> I'd much rather a 2x4 to the forehead. > > Oops, sorry but what does "a 2x4 to the forehead" mean? > (and "plaintitive" by the way?) The f

Re: [Python-Dev] Two small PEP ideas

2010-04-30 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Jesse Noller gmail.com> writes: > > Consider this a plaintitive -1 to any sort of rule-or-decision based > on committee. > > I'd much rather a 2x4 to the forehead. Oops, sorry but what does "a 2x4 to the forehead" mean? (and "plaintitive" by the way?) Regards Antoine.

Re: [Python-Dev] Two small PEP ideas

2010-04-30 Thread Jesse Noller
On Apr 30, 2010, at 3:51 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: As to Guido's point about the decision making process, Nick's right. I just want to make sure we can capture the resolution in the PEP, be it by BDFL pronouncement or "hey, silence is acceptance" email. I don't think "silence is

Re: [Python-Dev] patch for review: __import__ documentation

2010-04-30 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> I see the confusion. I think Martin meant more about open issues that > required discussion, not simply issues that had a patch ready to go. I actually think it is perfectly fine to point out that specific issues are need committer action on this list. This is what the list is there for. Waitin

Re: [Python-Dev] Two small PEP ideas

2010-04-30 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Steve Holden wrote: > Martin v. Löwis wrote: Without a BDFL, I think we need a committee to make decisions, e.g. by majority vote amongst committers. >>> Couldn't we just go with the FLUFL? >> Not sure whether that's a serious proposal (April 1 is already some days >> back now). As a star

Re: [Python-Dev] Two small PEP ideas

2010-04-30 Thread Steve Holden
Martin v. Löwis wrote: >>> Without a BDFL, I think we need a committee to make decisions, e.g. by >>> majority vote amongst committers. >> Couldn't we just go with the FLUFL? > > Not sure whether that's a serious proposal (April 1 is already some days > back now). As a starting point, Barry would

Re: [Python-Dev] Two small PEP ideas

2010-04-30 Thread Martin v. Löwis
>> Without a BDFL, I think we need a committee to make decisions, e.g. by >> majority vote amongst committers. > > Couldn't we just go with the FLUFL? Not sure whether that's a serious proposal (April 1 is already some days back now). As a starting point, Barry would have to indicate whether he i

Re: [Python-Dev] Two small PEP ideas

2010-04-30 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Steve Holden wrote: > Martin v. Löwis wrote: >>> As to Guido's point about the decision making process, Nick's right.  I just >>> want to make sure we can capture the resolution in the PEP, be it by BDFL >>> pronouncement or "hey, silence is acceptance" email. >> >

Re: [Python-Dev] Two small PEP ideas

2010-04-30 Thread Steve Holden
Martin v. Löwis wrote: >> As to Guido's point about the decision making process, Nick's right. I just >> want to make sure we can capture the resolution in the PEP, be it by BDFL >> pronouncement or "hey, silence is acceptance" email. > > I don't think "silence is acceptance" will work out in pra

Re: [Python-Dev] Two small PEP ideas

2010-04-30 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> As to Guido's point about the decision making process, Nick's right. I just > want to make sure we can capture the resolution in the PEP, be it by BDFL > pronouncement or "hey, silence is acceptance" email. I don't think "silence is acceptance" will work out in practice. For issues where a PEP

Re: [Python-Dev] Two small PEP ideas

2010-04-30 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Apr 28, 2010, at 09:22 AM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: >On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 23:55, Nick Coghlan wrote: >> I believe the more important part of Barry's suggested change here is >> requiring a link to the archived message (usually from python-dev) where >> the PEP was accepted (be it directly by

[Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2010-04-30 Thread Python tracker
ACTIVITY SUMMARY (2010-04-23 - 2010-04-30) Python tracker at http://bugs.python.org/ To view or respond to any of the issues listed below, click on the issue number. Do NOT respond to this message. 2638 open (+41) / 17759 closed (+27) / 20397 total (+68) Open issues with patches: 1081 Ave

Re: [Python-Dev] please take a look at buildbot result [was: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)]

2010-04-30 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 29 Apr, 2010, at 20:28, Bill Janssen wrote: > Michael Foord wrote: > >> Well - I have nine failing tests on trunk for Mac OS X with Snow Leopard. >> >> 9 tests failed: >>test_cmd_line test_imp test_import test_posix test_pydoc >>test_runpy test_urllib2 test_urllib2_localnet test_war