Re: [Python-Dev] Yield-From Implementation Updated for Python 3

2010-08-02 Thread P.J. Eby
At 09:24 PM 8/1/2010 -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote: I don't understand all the details and corner cases (e.g. the concatenation of stacks It's just to ensure that you never have From's iterating over other From's, vs. just iterating whatever's at the top of the stack. which seems to have

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2 alpha 1

2010-08-02 Thread Georg Brandl
Thanks, Benjamin! I'd also like to thank Martin and Ronald for the prompt binaries, and the folks of #python-dev for support. RMing was a pleasant experience so far. Georg Am 02.08.2010 05:01, schrieb Benjamin Peterson: Hey, Georg! Congrats on your first release! 2010/8/1 Georg Brandl

Re: [Python-Dev] proto-pep: plugin proposal (for unittest)

2010-08-02 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 2 Aug, 2010, at 7:18, Glyph Lefkowitz wrote: On Aug 1, 2010, at 3:52 PM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: On 1 Aug, 2010, at 17:22, Éric Araujo wrote: Speaking of which... Your documentation says it's named ~/unittest.cfg, could you make this a file in the user base (that is, the prefix

Re: [Python-Dev] proto-pep: plugin proposal (for unittest)

2010-08-02 Thread Greg Ewing
Glyph Lefkowitz wrote: I'd say that since ~/Library/Python is already used, there's no particular reason to add a new ~/Library/Preferences/Python location. I think the reason for separating out Preferences is so that you can install a new version of a library or application without losing

Re: [Python-Dev] No response to posts

2010-08-02 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Ron Adam writes: Something that may be more useful, is a no activity search field with choices of day, week, month, year, etc... and make the output sortable on time without activity. That's exactly what a sort on date of activity gives you, though, and it can be from longest down. Also,

Re: [Python-Dev] proto-pep: plugin proposal (for unittest)

2010-08-02 Thread Michael Foord
On 02/08/2010 07:18, Ronald Oussoren wrote: On 2 Aug, 2010, at 7:18, Glyph Lefkowitz wrote: On Aug 1, 2010, at 3:52 PM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: On 1 Aug, 2010, at 17:22, Éric Araujo wrote: Speaking of which... Your documentation says it's named ~/unittest.cfg, could you

Re: [Python-Dev] proto-pep: plugin proposal (for unittest)

2010-08-02 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 17:22:55 +0200 Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org wrote: Speaking of which... Your documentation says it's named ~/unittest.cfg, could you make this a file in the user base (that is, the prefix where 'setup.py install --user' will install files)? Putting .pydistutils.cfg

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2 alpha 1

2010-08-02 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 08:10:58 +0200 Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: Thanks, Benjamin! I'd also like to thank Martin and Ronald for the prompt binaries, and the folks of #python-dev for support. RMing was a pleasant experience so far. Are you already trying to lure other people into

Re: [Python-Dev] proto-pep: plugin proposal (for unittest)

2010-08-02 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 02 Aug, 2010,at 11:48 AM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: On 02/08/2010 07:18, Ronald Oussoren wrote: On 2 Aug, 2010, at 7:18, Glyph Lefkowitz wrote: On Aug 1, 2010, at 3:52 PM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: On 1 Aug, 2010, at 17:22, Éric Araujo

Re: [Python-Dev] proto-pep: plugin proposal (for unittest)

2010-08-02 Thread Michael Foord
On 02/08/2010 11:48, Ronald Oussoren wrote: On 02 Aug, 2010,at 11:48 AM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: On 02/08/2010 07:18, Ronald Oussoren wrote: On 2 Aug, 2010, at 7:18, Glyph Lefkowitz wrote: On Aug 1, 2010, at 3:52 PM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: On 1 Aug,

Re: [Python-Dev] proto-pep: plugin proposal (for unittest)

2010-08-02 Thread Michael Foord
On 02/08/2010 11:48, Ronald Oussoren wrote: On 02 Aug, 2010,at 11:48 AM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: On 02/08/2010 07:18, Ronald Oussoren wrote: On 2 Aug, 2010, at 7:18, Glyph Lefkowitz wrote: On Aug 1, 2010, at 3:52 PM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: On 1 Aug,

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 376 proposed changes for basic plugins support

2010-08-02 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Here's a proposal to extend PEP 376 to support a basic plugins feature -- you should read PEP 376 before reading this mail It's basically Phillip's entry points, but with an activation flag, and a per-user

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 376 proposed changes for basic plugins support

2010-08-02 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 3:06 AM, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: .. So without specific examples of why this is a problem, it's hard to see why a special Python-specific set of configuration files is needed to resolve it, vs. say, encouraging application authors to use the available

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 376 proposed changes for basic plugins support

2010-08-02 Thread Éric Araujo
The PLUGINS file can be kept only for the state value, which is not read-only. It will be for OS packages. Regards ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe:

Re: [Python-Dev] pdb mini-sprint report and questions

2010-08-02 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Ilya Sandler ilya.sand...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm the submitter of the original patch and would like to help with it if I can. One issue that's not yet closed is #7245, which adds a (very nice IMO) feature: when you press Ctrl-C while the program being

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 376 proposed changes for basic plugins support

2010-08-02 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
Tarek Ziadé wrote: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 3:06 AM, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: .. So without specific examples of why this is a problem, it's hard to see why a special Python-specific set of configuration files is needed to resolve it, vs. say, encouraging application authors to

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 376 proposed changes for basic plugins support

2010-08-02 Thread exarkun
On 12:21 pm, m...@egenix.com wrote: Tarek Ziad� wrote: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 3:06 AM, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: .. So without specific examples of why this is a problem, it's hard to see why a special Python-specific set of configuration files is needed to resolve it, vs.

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 376 proposed changes for basic plugins support

2010-08-02 Thread Michael Foord
On 02/08/2010 13:31, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: On 12:21 pm, m...@egenix.com wrote: Tarek Ziad� wrote: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 3:06 AM, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: .. So without specific examples of why this is a problem, it's hard to see why a special Python-specific set of

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 376 proposed changes for basic plugins support

2010-08-02 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: On 12:21 pm, m...@egenix.com wrote: Tarek Ziad� wrote: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 3:06 AM, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: .. So without specific examples of why this is a problem, it's hard to see why a special Python-specific set of configuration files

Re: [Python-Dev] proto-pep: plugin proposal (for unittest)

2010-08-02 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 02 Aug, 2010,at 01:00 PM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: The only apple one that is actually used is the .CFUserTextEncoding file, I have an .Xcode in my home as well but that is empty and last updated in 2007. AFAIK current versions of Xcode store preferences in

Re: [Python-Dev] proto-pep: plugin proposal (for unittest)

2010-08-02 Thread Michael Foord
On 02/08/2010 14:34, Ronald Oussoren wrote: On 02 Aug, 2010,at 01:00 PM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: The only apple one that is actually used is the .CFUserTextEncoding file, I have an .Xcode in my home as well but that is empty and last updated in 2007. AFAIK current

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 376 proposed changes for basic plugins support

2010-08-02 Thread exarkun
On 01:27 pm, m...@egenix.com wrote: exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: On 12:21 pm, m...@egenix.com wrote: See Zope for an example of how well this simply mechanism works out in practice: it simply scans the Products namespace for sub-packages and then loads each sub-package it finds to have

Re: [Python-Dev] proto-pep: plugin proposal (for unittest)

2010-08-02 Thread Michael Foord
On 02/08/2010 14:34, Ronald Oussoren wrote: On 02 Aug, 2010,at 01:00 PM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: The only apple one that is actually used is the .CFUserTextEncoding file, I have an .Xcode in my home as well but that is empty and last updated in 2007. AFAIK current

Re: [Python-Dev] proto-pep: plugin proposal (for unittest)

2010-08-02 Thread R. David Murray
(Ronald, the text version of your message was very difficult to sort through and read, because all of the quoting information was lost. Just thought you'd want to know.) What I hear Glyph saying is that we should support looking in *both* locations for configuration info on OSX, and I don't see a

Re: [Python-Dev] No response to posts

2010-08-02 Thread Ron Adam
On 08/02/2010 03:57 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Ron Adam writes: Something that may be more useful, is a no activity search field with choices of day, week, month, year, etc... and make the output sortable on time without activity. That's exactly what a sort on date of

[Python-Dev] Python 2.6.6 rc 1 planned for today

2010-08-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
Hi folks, Don't forget that I am planning to cut Python 2.6.6 rc 1 later today (probably starting at around 2200 UTC). We have a number of release blockers currently reported:

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2 alpha 1

2010-08-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Aug 02, 2010, at 12:09 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 08:10:58 +0200 Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: Thanks, Benjamin! I'd also like to thank Martin and Ronald for the prompt binaries, and the folks of #python-dev for support. RMing was a pleasant experience so far.

Re: [Python-Dev] proto-pep: plugin proposal (for unittest)

2010-08-02 Thread Michael Foord
On 02/08/2010 15:24, R. David Murray wrote: (Ronald, the text version of your message was very difficult to sort through and read, because all of the quoting information was lost. Just thought you'd want to know.) What I hear Glyph saying is that we should support looking in *both* locations

[Python-Dev] python-checkins Reply-To now set for python-dev

2010-08-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
Over in #python-dev, Georg reminded us of a change to the python-checkins mailing list that was discussed a few weeks ago: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2010-July/101853.html Despite the mild preference of redirecting python-checkins to python-committers, I noticed that the

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 376 proposed changes for basic plugins support

2010-08-02 Thread Éric Araujo
Le 02/08/2010 14:31, exar...@twistedmatrix.com a écrit : On 12:21 pm, m...@egenix.com wrote: Do we really need to make Python packaging even more complicated by adding support for application-specific plugin mechanisms ? Packages can already work as application plugins by simply defining a

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 376 proposed changes for basic plugins support

2010-08-02 Thread Glyph Lefkowitz
On Aug 2, 2010, at 9:53 AM, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: On 01:27 pm, m...@egenix.com wrote: exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: On 12:21 pm, m...@egenix.com wrote: See Zope for an example of how well this simply mechanism works out in practice: it simply scans the Products namespace for

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2 alpha 1

2010-08-02 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 01/08/2010 10:38, Georg Brandl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On behalf of the Python development team, I'm happy to announce the first alpha preview release of Python 3.2. Python 3.2 is a continuation of the efforts to improve and stabilize the Python 3.x line. Since

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 376 proposed changes for basic plugins support

2010-08-02 Thread exarkun
On 03:08 pm, mer...@netwok.org wrote: Le 02/08/2010 14:31, exar...@twistedmatrix.com a �crit : On 12:21 pm, m...@egenix.com wrote: Do we really need to make Python packaging even more complicated by adding support for application-specific plugin mechanisms ? Packages can already work as

Re: [Python-Dev] proto-pep: plugin proposal (for unittest)

2010-08-02 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 2 Aug, 2010, at 16:24, R. David Murray wrote: (Ronald, the text version of your message was very difficult to sort through and read, because all of the quoting information was lost. Just thought you'd want to know.) I'll stop using the mobile-me webmail client for lists, it seems to mess

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 376 proposed changes for basic plugins support

2010-08-02 Thread P.J. Eby
At 01:53 PM 8/2/2010 +, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: On 01:27 pm, m...@egenix.com wrote: exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: This is also roughly how Twisted's plugin system works. One drawback, though, is that it means potentially executing a large amount of Python in order to load

Re: [Python-Dev] No response to posts

2010-08-02 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 02/08/2010 03:54, Benjamin Peterson wrote: 2010/7/31 Éric Araujowins...@netwok.org: Good call. Alternative idea: Have a new status “unread” to make searching easier for bug people. Or a predefined custom search for nosy_count == 1. Please, let's stop messing with the tracker for

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 376 proposed changes for basic plugins support

2010-08-02 Thread P.J. Eby
At 01:10 PM 8/2/2010 +0200, Tarek Ziadé wrote: I don't have a specific example in mind, and I must admit that if an application does the right thing (provide the right configuration file), this activate feature is not useful at all. So it seems to be a bad idea. Well, it's not a *bad* idea as

Re: [Python-Dev] No response to posts

2010-08-02 Thread Ralf Schmitt
Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org writes: Please, let's stop messing with the tracker for everything. I think the current set up works reasonably well, and we should focus on the real problem: manpower Ignoring issues (probably even with some patches attached) will drive contributors

Re: [Python-Dev] No response to posts

2010-08-02 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 02/08/2010 17:39, Ralf Schmitt wrote: Benjamin Petersonbenja...@python.org writes: Please, let's stop messing with the tracker for everything. I think the current set up works reasonably well, and we should focus on the real problem: manpower Ignoring issues (probably even with some

Re: [Python-Dev] No response to posts

2010-08-02 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:39, Ralf Schmitt r...@brainbot.com wrote: Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org writes: Please, let's stop messing with the tracker for everything. I think the current set up works reasonably well, and we should focus on the real problem: manpower Ignoring

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 376 proposed changes for basic plugins support

2010-08-02 Thread Ian Bicking
Just to add a general opinion in here: Having worked with Setuptools' entry points, and a little with some Zope pluginish systems (Products.*, which I don't think anyone liked much, and some ways ZCML is used is pluginish), I'm not very excited about these. The plugin system that causes the

Re: [Python-Dev] No response to posts

2010-08-02 Thread Michael Foord
On 02/08/2010 17:54, Brian Curtin wrote: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:39, Ralf Schmitt r...@brainbot.com mailto:r...@brainbot.com wrote: Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org mailto:benja...@python.org writes: Please, let's stop messing with the tracker for everything. I think

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 376 proposed changes for basic plugins support

2010-08-02 Thread Holger Krekel
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Ian Bicking i...@colorstudy.com wrote: Just to add a general opinion in here: Having worked with Setuptools' entry points, and a little with some Zope pluginish systems (Products.*, which I don't think anyone liked much, and some ways ZCML is used is

Re: [Python-Dev] No response to posts

2010-08-02 Thread Mark Smith
If I may comment *as* a new contributor: Terry responded almost immediately to my first issue raised, and that was a huge boost. If no-one had replied at all, I suspect I would never have spent any more time contributing to any part of Python. (And I contributed 8 more hours today.) Incidentally,

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 376 proposed changes for basic plugins support

2010-08-02 Thread Michael Foord
On 02/08/2010 19:05, Holger Krekel wrote: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Ian Bickingi...@colorstudy.com wrote: Just to add a general opinion in here: Having worked with Setuptools' entry points, and a little with some Zope pluginish systems (Products.*, which I don't think anyone liked

Re: [Python-Dev] No response to posts

2010-08-02 Thread Terry Reedy
On 8/2/2010 12:54 PM, Brian Curtin wrote: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:39, Ralf Schmitt r...@brainbot.com mailto:r...@brainbot.com wrote: Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org mailto:benja...@python.org writes: Please, let's stop messing with the tracker for everything. I think

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 376 proposed changes for basic plugins support

2010-08-02 Thread Holger Krekel
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: On 02/08/2010 19:05, Holger Krekel wrote: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Ian Bickingi...@colorstudy.com  wrote: Just to add a general opinion in here: Having worked with Setuptools' entry points, and a little

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 376 proposed changes for basic plugins support

2010-08-02 Thread Michael Foord
On 02/08/2010 19:45, Holger Krekel wrote: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Michael Foordfuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: On 02/08/2010 19:05, Holger Krekel wrote: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Ian Bickingi...@colorstudy.comwrote: Just to add a general opinion in here:

Re: [Python-Dev] No response to posts

2010-08-02 Thread Steve Holden
On 8/2/2010 1:18 PM, Michael Foord wrote: On 02/08/2010 17:54, Brian Curtin wrote: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:39, Ralf Schmitt r...@brainbot.com mailto:r...@brainbot.com wrote: Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org mailto:benja...@python.org writes: Please, let's stop messing

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 376 proposed changes for basic plugins support

2010-08-02 Thread Holger Krekel
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: On 02/08/2010 19:45, Holger Krekel wrote: [...] I'd much prefer a one-step process and rather provide a way to not-use a plugin even if installed.  The difference is e.g. with py.test that i can point users to e.g.

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 376 proposed changes for basic plugins support

2010-08-02 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
Michael Foord wrote: On 02/08/2010 13:31, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: On 12:21 pm, m...@egenix.com wrote: Tarek Ziad� wrote: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 3:06 AM, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: .. So without specific examples of why this is a problem, it's hard to see why a special

Re: [Python-Dev] No response to posts

2010-08-02 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Sure it could make a difference. People who submit issues will appreciate *some* response a great deal more than no response. That depends. Sometimes, people post to the bug tracker to get help, and they will get sad/driven away/angry when they get no response; sometimes, if they get a response

Re: [Python-Dev] No response to posts

2010-08-02 Thread Tim Golden
On 02/08/2010 8:40 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: I think it's important to find out what people expect when posting to the tracker. Maybe a mandatory radio list with these options would help: - I post this to get help from you - I'm willing to work on other issues to expedite processing of this

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 376 proposed changes for basic plugins support

2010-08-02 Thread Michael Foord
On 02/08/2010 20:36, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: Michael Foord wrote: On 02/08/2010 13:31, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: On 12:21 pm, m...@egenix.com wrote: Tarek Ziad� wrote: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 3:06 AM, P.J. Ebyp...@telecommunity.com wrote: .. So

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 376 proposed changes for basic plugins support

2010-08-02 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
Michael Foord wrote: On 02/08/2010 20:36, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: Michael Foord wrote: On 02/08/2010 13:31, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: On 12:21 pm, m...@egenix.com wrote: Tarek Ziad� wrote: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 3:06 AM, P.J. Ebyp...@telecommunity.com wrote:

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 376 proposed changes for basic plugins support

2010-08-02 Thread P.J. Eby
At 05:08 PM 8/2/2010 +0200, Éric Araujo wrote: I wonder if functions in pkgutil or importlib could allow one to iterate over the plugins (i.e. submodules and subpackages of the namespace package) without actually loading then. See pkgutil.walk_packages(), available since 2.5. It has to load

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 376 proposed changes for basic plugins support

2010-08-02 Thread P.J. Eby
At 09:03 PM 8/2/2010 +0100, Michael Foord wrote: Ouch. I really don't want to emulate that system. For installing a plugin for a single project the recommended technique is: * Unpack the source. It should provide a setup.py. * Run: $ python setup.py bdist_egg Then you

Re: [Python-Dev] No response to posts

2010-08-02 Thread Benjamin Peterson
2010/8/2 Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu: On 8/2/2010 12:54 PM, Brian Curtin wrote: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:39, Ralf Schmitt r...@brainbot.com mailto:r...@brainbot.com wrote:    Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org mailto:benja...@python.org    writes:     Please, let's stop messing with

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 376 proposed changes for basic plugins support

2010-08-02 Thread P.J. Eby
At 10:37 PM 8/2/2010 +0200, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: If that's the case, then it would be better to come up with an idea of how to make access to that meta-data available in a less I/O intense way, e.g. by having pip or other package managers update a central SQLite database cache of the data found

Re: [Python-Dev] No response to posts

2010-08-02 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 7:18 AM, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org wrote: I'm only referring to the infrastructure when I say the current setup. I don't think repeatedly tweaking the tracker is likely to close more issues. But tweaking the tracker to improve the way we *interact* with

Re: [Python-Dev] No response to posts

2010-08-02 Thread Benjamin Peterson
2010/8/2 Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com: On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 7:18 AM, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org wrote: I'm only referring to the infrastructure when I say the current setup. I don't think repeatedly tweaking the tracker is likely to close more issues. But tweaking the tracker

[Python-Dev] Tracker status

2010-08-02 Thread Nick Coghlan
Are the bug tracker and meta-tracker down for anyone else, or is it just me? Cheers, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan   |   ncogh...@gmail.com   |   Brisbane, Australia ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

[Python-Dev] Tracker down

2010-08-02 Thread Terry Reedy
6:22 EDT, tracker down and has been for a couple of minutes. python.org and docs.python.org are fine. Does the daemon program that now checks on Pypi also check the tracker? Is there a particular place to report tracker down? Or should I just assume someone else will notice and do something? --

Re: [Python-Dev] Tracker down

2010-08-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Aug 02, 2010, at 06:25 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: 6:22 EDT, tracker down and has been for a couple of minutes. python.org and docs.python.org are fine. Does the daemon program that now checks on Pypi also check the tracker? Is there a particular place to report tracker down? Or should I just

Re: [Python-Dev] No response to posts

2010-08-02 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Mon, 2 Aug 2010 17:13:01 -0500 Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org wrote: 2010/8/2 Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com: On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 7:18 AM, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org wrote: I'm only referring to the infrastructure when I say the current setup. I don't think

Re: [Python-Dev] Is it intentional that sys.__debug__ = 1 is illegal in Python 2.7?

2010-08-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Aug 01, 2010, at 09:56 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: 2010/7/30 Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org: It looks like Benjamin's change in r67171 was the relevant diff. The reason behind this was to make __debug__ assignment consistent with that of other reserved names. For example, x.None = 3 raised

Re: [Python-Dev] No response to posts

2010-08-02 Thread Éric Araujo
Well, I just feel like we keep changing things to little result, creating an organic mess of fields and statuses. Adding more queries is fine, but let's not bow to the temptation to add more fields. AFAICT, Ezio certainly wants to solve the status/stage/resolution unclear overlap, and in

Re: [Python-Dev] No response to posts

2010-08-02 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 02/08/2010 22:18, Benjamin Peterson wrote: 2010/8/2 Terry Reedytjre...@udel.edu: On 8/2/2010 12:54 PM, Brian Curtin wrote: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:39, Ralf Schmittr...@brainbot.com mailto:r...@brainbot.com wrote: Benjamin Petersonbenja...@python.orgmailto:benja...@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] No response to posts

2010-08-02 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 02/08/2010 23:43, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Mon, 2 Aug 2010 17:13:01 -0500 Benjamin Petersonbenja...@python.org wrote: 2010/8/2 Nick Coghlanncogh...@gmail.com: On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 7:18 AM, Benjamin Petersonbenja...@python.org wrote: I'm only referring to the infrastructure when I say

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 376 proposed changes for basic plugins support

2010-08-02 Thread Éric Araujo
What you might want to do is add new type fields to PEP 345, making it easier to identify and list packages that work as plugins for applications, e.g. Type: Plugin for MyCoolApp The MyCoolApp could then use the Type-field to identify all installed plugins, get their installation

Re: [Python-Dev] proto-pep: plugin proposal (for unittest)

2010-08-02 Thread David Bolen
Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk writes: I would be interested in hearing from other Mac users as to where they would look for configuration files for command line tools - in ~ or in ~/Library/Preferences? My primary personal machine has been OSX for years now, and as someone who lives

Re: [Python-Dev] No response to posts

2010-08-02 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 00:00:46 +0100 Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Fly back at me if you like. I don't care about me. I don't care about you. I do care about Python. Well, you should care about people. Free software is as much as about building welcoming communities than it

Re: [Python-Dev] No response to posts

2010-08-02 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 03/08/2010 00:24, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 00:00:46 +0100 Mark Lawrencebreamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Fly back at me if you like. I don't care about me. I don't care about you. I do care about Python. Well, you should care about people. Free software is as much as

Re: [Python-Dev] No response to posts

2010-08-02 Thread Benjamin Peterson
2010/8/2 Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk: On 02/08/2010 22:18, Benjamin Peterson wrote: I'm only referring to the infrastructure when I say the current setup. I don't think repeatedly tweaking the tracker is likely to close more issues. I find this response quite pathetic.  The bulk

Re: [Python-Dev] No response to posts

2010-08-02 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Tue, 3 Aug 2010 04:27:53 am Terry Reedy wrote: On 8/2/2010 12:54 PM, Brian Curtin wrote: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:39, Ralf Schmitt r...@brainbot.com mailto:r...@brainbot.com wrote: Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org mailto:benja...@python.org writes: Please,

Re: [Python-Dev] No response to posts

2010-08-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Aug 02, 2010, at 06:57 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: You feel locked out by the current tracker? I do, but that's only because bugs.python.org is currently pinin' for the fjords. ;) -Barry signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 382 progress: import hooks

2010-08-02 Thread Brett Cannon
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 09:54, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: At 11:57 AM 7/23/2010 +0100, Brett Cannon wrote: On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 19:19, P.J. Eby mailto:p...@telecommunity.com p...@telecommunity.com wrote: What does is not a package actually mean in that context? The

Re: [Python-Dev] proto-pep: plugin proposal (for unittest)

2010-08-02 Thread Ned Deily
In article 4c56d814.4030...@voidspace.org.uk, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: Ronald was wrong when he said that the only configuration file in ~ used by the Mac itself is .CFUserTextEncoding. Terminal (the Mac OS X command line) has a user editable config file which it stores

Re: [Python-Dev] No response to posts

2010-08-02 Thread Steve Holden
On 8/2/2010 7:39 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote: On 03/08/2010 00:24, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 00:00:46 +0100 Mark Lawrencebreamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Fly back at me if you like. I don't care about me. I don't care about you. I do care about Python. Well, you should care

Re: [Python-Dev] Tracker status

2010-08-02 Thread David Stanek
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: Are the bug tracker and meta-tracker down for anyone else, or is it just me? It is down for me as well. It appears to be accepting the connection and then just doesn't return any content. -- David blog:

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r83543 - python/branches/py3k/Lib/test/regrtest.py

2010-08-02 Thread R. David Murray
On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 20:59:52 +0200, georg.brandl python-check...@python.org wrote: Author: georg.brandl Date: Mon Aug 2 20:59:52 2010 New Revision: 83543 Log: #8560: add progress indicator to regrtest. [...] @@ -517,6 +517,9 @@ else: tests = iter(selected) +tests

Re: [Python-Dev] Tracker status

2010-08-02 Thread Ray Allen
Down for me as well. Initially I though it was shield by Great Firewall since I'm from China. On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 9:29 AM, David Stanek dsta...@dstanek.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: Are the bug tracker and meta-tracker down for anyone

[Python-Dev] Postponing 2.6.6rc1

2010-08-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
For several reasons, I'm postponing 2.6.6rc1 for one day. Ezio has been doing a lot of great work on the test suite, but there are still a few things to fix. On top of that, bugs.python.org crashed and we're waiting for our hosting company to wake up and reboot it. We'll try again, same time

Re: [Python-Dev] checkins reply-to change

2010-08-02 Thread R. David Murray
On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 21:51:11 -0400, R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote: On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 20:59:52 +0200, georg.brandl python-check...@python.org wrote: Author: georg.brandl Date: Mon Aug 2 20:59:52 2010 New Revision: 83543 Hmm. Looking at the format of this message as it

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r83596 - in python/branches/release26-maint: Doc/library/constants.rst

2010-08-02 Thread Ezio Melotti
Hi, On 03/08/2010 0.47, georg.brandl wrote: Author: georg.brandl Date: Mon Aug 2 23:47:02 2010 New Revision: 83596 Log: Merged revisions 83567 via svnmerge from svn+ssh://python...@svn.python.org/python/branches/release27-maint r83567 | georg.brandl | 2010-08-02 22:32:03

[Python-Dev] co_firstlineno on decorated functions

2010-08-02 Thread Eli Bendersky
[Since I received no replies on this in python-list, perhaps python-dev is more appropriate] Hello, I've been tinkering with __code__.co_firstlineno for testing the trace.py module (Python Issue 9315), and ran into an interesting problem. Consider this code: def dummydecorator(f): return

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 382 progress: import hooks

2010-08-02 Thread P.J. Eby
At 05:28 PM 8/2/2010 -0700, Brett Cannon wrote: On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 09:54, P.J. Eby mailto:p...@telecommunity.comp...@telecommunity.com wrote: At 11:57 AM 7/23/2010 +0100, Brett Cannon wrote: On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 19:19, P.J. Eby mailto:p...@telecommunity.comp...@telecommunity.com

Re: [Python-Dev] No response to posts

2010-08-02 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Ron Adam writes: Yes, but when I do it, I either get a single specific day, or 2700 issues. If your query specifies an activity date, you will get only issues with activity that date. If it sorts or groups on activity date, you will get all issues (subject to other conditions), but you can

Re: [Python-Dev] No response to posts

2010-08-02 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mark Lawrence writes: I completely disagree. Mark, please stop being disagreeable.wink The above is *not true*. You've made no statements I can recall insisting that the only way to skin a cat is to use a GNOME theme, only that the cat needs skinning. Before you posted that, Benjamin had

Re: [Python-Dev] No response to posts

2010-08-02 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Steven D'Aprano writes: I don't know. What percentage of new issues get ever get a response? My wild guess is that it's probably about 99.9%, but the 0.1% that don't remain languishing forever, skewing the statistics. No guess needed, we have the data. If the fraction a of issues ever