Re: [Python-Dev] Impaired Usability of the Mercurial Source Viewer

2011-03-31 Thread Glenn Linderman
On 3/31/2011 8:44 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: Impacting only the source viewer looks like it would require a patch to the generation logic, although I could be mistaken. Is there not something in the context surrounding the changelog and the source viewer that is different? And therefore someth

Re: [Python-Dev] Impaired Usability of the Mercurial Source Viewer

2011-03-31 Thread Brendan Cully
On 2011-03-31, at 8:44 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:20:53 -0700 > Raymond Hettinger wrote: >> >> Surely, we at least have control over our own CSS. >> At http://hg.python.org/cpython/static/style-paper.css >> there are two lines that control the alternating bars: >> >> .

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Terry Reedy
On 3/31/2011 8:26 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:52:23 -0400 Terry Reedy wrote: Here is my proposal for a redesign based on an analysis of my usage ;-). I have a 1600x1050 (or thereabouts), 20" (measured) diagonal, 17" across screen. The left column has a 7/8" margin, 2 3/8"

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Westley Martínez
On Thu, 2011-03-31 at 21:21 -0500, s...@pobox.com wrote: > Antoine> Let's say that by using non-metric units you have already lost > Antoine> me, sorry. > > Wouldn't it be cool if you could feed the text to Google Translator and have > it not only translate the English to bad French, but trans

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Westley Martínez
On Thu, 2011-03-31 at 21:18 -0500, s...@pobox.com wrote: > Terry> Even though such is standard for the majority of web fora? > > I participate in a couple different web forums (914s and swimming). Both > present their topics in chronological order and provide a link at the top of > every page whi

Re: [Python-Dev] Impaired Usability of the Mercurial Source Viewer

2011-03-31 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:20:53 -0700 Raymond Hettinger wrote: > > Surely, we at least have control over our own CSS. > At http://hg.python.org/cpython/static/style-paper.css > there are two lines that control the alternating bars: > > .parity0 { background-color: #f0f0f0; } > .parity1 { backgroun

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Glenn Linderman
On 3/31/2011 5:22 PM, Raymond Hettinger wrote: Perhaps the most important part is that the comment box goes at the top. As long as it is adjacent to the last comment, that would be fine. (said while tongue removing the last bit of supper from the space outside the teeth)

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread skip
Ethan> Are there cases where someone should be posting new comments who Ethan> /hasn't/ read the existing comments? I would hope that new Ethan> comments would come only after reading what has already Ethan> transpired -- in which case one would find the comment box when Ethan

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread skip
Antoine> Let's say that by using non-metric units you have already lost Antoine> me, sorry. Wouldn't it be cool if you could feed the text to Google Translator and have it not only translate the English to bad French, but translate the units to metric (hopefully with more accuracy than th

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread skip
Terry> Even though such is standard for the majority of web fora? I participate in a couple different web forums (914s and swimming). Both present their topics in chronological order and provide a link at the top of every page which jumps the user to the first unread message (no matter how m

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread skip
>> I would like to try putting the comment box after the last (most >> recent) comment, as that is the message one most ofter responds >> to. Having to now scroll up and down between comment box and last >> message(s) is often of a nuisance. Raymond> While that sounds logical,

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Ethan Furman writes: > -1 on reverse time sequence of messages -- no top posting! ;) I'd really like this to be a browse-time option, and for bonus points, it should be "sticky". For issues I'm not familiar with, I want to read in more or less chronological order. For issues I *am* familiar w

Re: [Python-Dev] Impaired Usability of the Mercurial Source Viewer

2011-03-31 Thread Guido van Rossum
Can someone give Raymond write access to the website already so he can fix it himself? On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > 2011/3/31 Raymond Hettinger : >> >> On Mar 31, 2011, at 6:28 PM, Victor Stinner wrote: >> >> Le 01/04/2011 01:15, Raymond Hettinger a écrit : >> >> Th

Re: [Python-Dev] Impaired Usability of the Mercurial Source Viewer

2011-03-31 Thread Scott Dial
On 3/31/2011 8:30 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:15:48 -0700 > Raymond Hettinger wrote: >> The Hg source viewer needs to be tweaked to improve its usability. >> What we've got now is a step backwards from the previous svn viewer. >> >> Looking at http://hg.python.org/cpython/fi

Re: [Python-Dev] Impaired Usability of the Mercurial Source Viewer

2011-03-31 Thread Benjamin Peterson
2011/3/31 Raymond Hettinger : > > On Mar 31, 2011, at 6:28 PM, Victor Stinner wrote: > > Le 01/04/2011 01:15, Raymond Hettinger a écrit : > > The Hg source viewer needs to be tweaked to improve its usability. > > What we've got now is a step backwards from the previous svn viewer. > > Looking at ht

Re: [Python-Dev] Impaired Usability of the Mercurial Source Viewer

2011-03-31 Thread Raymond Hettinger
On Mar 31, 2011, at 6:28 PM, Victor Stinner wrote: > Le 01/04/2011 01:15, Raymond Hettinger a écrit : >> The Hg source viewer needs to be tweaked to improve its usability. >> What we've got now is a step backwards from the previous svn viewer. >> >> Looking at http://hg.python.org/cpython/file/d

Re: [Python-Dev] Impaired Usability of the Mercurial Source Viewer

2011-03-31 Thread Victor Stinner
Le 01/04/2011 01:15, Raymond Hettinger a écrit : The Hg source viewer needs to be tweaked to improve its usability. What we've got now is a step backwards from the previous svn viewer. Looking at http://hg.python.org/cpython/file/default/Lib/linecache.py for example, there are two issues. 1)

Re: [Python-Dev] warn_unused_result warnings

2011-03-31 Thread Benjamin Peterson
2011/3/31 Victor Stinner : > Le 01/04/2011 01:11, Benjamin Peterson a écrit : >> >> I'm rather sick of seeing this warnings on all compiles, so I propose >> we enable the -Wno-unused-results option. I judge that most of the >> cases where this occurs are error reporting functions, where not much >>

Re: [Python-Dev] warn_unused_result warnings

2011-03-31 Thread Victor Stinner
Le 01/04/2011 01:11, Benjamin Peterson a écrit : I'm rather sick of seeing this warnings on all compiles, so I propose we enable the -Wno-unused-results option. I judge that most of the cases where this occurs are error reporting functions, where not much with return code can be done. Can't we tr

Re: [Python-Dev] Impaired Usability of the Mercurial Source Viewer

2011-03-31 Thread Raymond Hettinger
On Mar 31, 2011, at 5:55 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > Le jeudi 31 mars 2011 à 17:46 -0700, Raymond Hettinger a écrit : >> On Mar 31, 2011, at 5:30 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:15:48 -0700 >>> Raymond Hettinger wrote: The Hg source viewer needs to be tweaked to imp

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Ethan Furman
Raymond Hettinger wrote: On Mar 31, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Terry Reedy wrote: I would like to try putting the comment box after the last (most recent) comment, as that is the message one most ofter responds to. Having to now scroll up and down between comment box and last message(s) is often of a n

Re: [Python-Dev] Impaired Usability of the Mercurial Source Viewer

2011-03-31 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le jeudi 31 mars 2011 à 17:46 -0700, Raymond Hettinger a écrit : > On Mar 31, 2011, at 5:30 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > > On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:15:48 -0700 > > Raymond Hettinger wrote: > >> The Hg source viewer needs to be tweaked to improve its usability. > >> What we've got now is a step bac

Re: [Python-Dev] Impaired Usability of the Mercurial Source Viewer

2011-03-31 Thread Raymond Hettinger
On Mar 31, 2011, at 5:30 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:15:48 -0700 > Raymond Hettinger wrote: >> The Hg source viewer needs to be tweaked to improve its usability. >> What we've got now is a step backwards from the previous svn viewer. >> >> Looking at http://hg.python.org/

Re: [Python-Dev] warn_unused_result warnings

2011-03-31 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:11:46 -0500 Benjamin Peterson wrote: > I'm rather sick of seeing this warnings on all compiles, so I propose > we enable the -Wno-unused-results option. I judge that most of the > cases where this occurs are error reporting functions, where not much > with return code can be

Re: [Python-Dev] Impaired Usability of the Mercurial Source Viewer

2011-03-31 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:15:48 -0700 Raymond Hettinger wrote: > The Hg source viewer needs to be tweaked to improve its usability. > What we've got now is a step backwards from the previous svn viewer. > > Looking at http://hg.python.org/cpython/file/default/Lib/linecache.py for > example, > there

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:52:23 -0400 Terry Reedy wrote: > > Here is my proposal for a redesign based on an analysis of my usage ;-). > I have a 1600x1050 (or thereabouts), 20" (measured) diagonal, 17" across > screen. > > The left column has a 7/8" margin, 2 3/8" text area, and 1" gutter. > Thes

Re: [Python-Dev] Impaired Usability of the Mercurial Source Viewer

2011-03-31 Thread Terry Reedy
On 3/31/2011 7:15 PM, Raymond Hettinger wrote: The Hg source viewer needs to be tweaked to improve its usability. What we've got now is a step backwards from the previous svn viewer. Looking at http://hg.python.org/cpython/file/default/Lib/linecache.py for example, there are two issues. 1) the c

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 23:59:36 +0200 "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > > What's more, it lacks the most important: the issue title. > > Notice that the issue title was always there, in your browser's title > bar (unless you have a web browser that doesn't display the page title). Sure, but it's far remov

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Terry Reedy
On 3/31/2011 7:27 PM, Raymond Hettinger wrote: On Mar 31, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Terry Reedy wrote: I would like to try putting the comment box after the last (most recent) comment, as that is the message one most ofter responds to. Having to now scroll up and down between comment box and last mess

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Raymond Hettinger
On Mar 31, 2011, at 5:02 PM, Westley Martínez wrote: > > How 'bout no? YouTube uses this and it's horrid and unnatural, and > bulletin boards have been using chronological order for whiles with > great success. Reverse chronological order has a niche for feeds, > updates, whatever you want to cal

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Westley Martínez
On Thu, 2011-03-31 at 16:27 -0700, Raymond Hettinger wrote: > > On Mar 31, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Terry Reedy wrote: > > > I would like to try putting the comment box after the last (most > > recent) comment, as that is the message one most ofter responds to. > > Having to now scroll up and down betwe

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Benjamin Peterson
2011/3/31 Raymond Hettinger : > > On Mar 31, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Terry Reedy wrote: > > I would like to try putting the comment box after the last (most recent) > comment, as that is the message one most ofter responds to. Having to now > scroll up and down between comment box and last message(s) is

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Raymond Hettinger
On Mar 31, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Terry Reedy wrote: > I would like to try putting the comment box after the last (most recent) > comment, as that is the message one most ofter responds to. Having to now > scroll up and down between comment box and last message(s) is often of a > nuisance. While t

[Python-Dev] Impaired Usability of the Mercurial Source Viewer

2011-03-31 Thread Raymond Hettinger
The Hg source viewer needs to be tweaked to improve its usability. What we've got now is a step backwards from the previous svn viewer. Looking at http://hg.python.org/cpython/file/default/Lib/linecache.py for example, there are two issues. 1) the code cannot be cut-and-pasted because the line

Re: [Python-Dev] devguide: Add a table of contents to the FAQ.

2011-03-31 Thread R. David Murray
On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 08:29:29 +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 2:34 AM, R. David Murray wro= > te: > > I agree with this point. =A0The sidebar list of questions is effectively > > useless. > > Indeed. If it's simple, I'd actually be inclined to reduce the depth > of the sidebar

[Python-Dev] warn_unused_result warnings

2011-03-31 Thread Benjamin Peterson
I'm rather sick of seeing this warnings on all compiles, so I propose we enable the -Wno-unused-results option. I judge that most of the cases where this occurs are error reporting functions, where not much with return code can be done. -- Regards, Benjamin ___

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Ethan Furman
Glenn Linderman wrote: On 3/31/2011 9:52 AM, Terry Reedy wrote: I would like to try putting the comment box after the last (most recent) comment, as that is the message one most ofter responds to. Having to now scroll up and down between comment box and last message(s) is often of a nuisance

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread R. David Murray
On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 23:59:36 +0200, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?= wrote: > Notice that the issue title was always there, in your browser's title > bar (unless you have a web browser that doesn't display the page title). I do. -- R. David Murray http://www.bitdance.com ___

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Glenn Linderman
On 3/31/2011 9:52 AM, Terry Reedy wrote: I would like to try putting the comment box after the last (most recent) comment, as that is the message one most ofter responds to. Having to now scroll up and down between comment box and last message(s) is often of a nuisance. +1. Or +0 reverse t

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 11715: building Python from source on multiarch Debian/Ubuntu

2011-03-31 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Apr 01, 2011, at 08:37 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: >On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 3:35 AM, Éric Araujo wrote: >> If I understand the policy correctly, 2.5 and 2.6 are not considered >> active branches, so any doc, build or bug fixes are not acceptable. > >Actual build fixes may be acceptable, if they're

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 11715: building Python from source on multiarch Debian/Ubuntu

2011-03-31 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 3:35 AM, Éric Araujo wrote: > If I understand the policy correctly, 2.5 and 2.6 are not considered > active branches, so any doc, build or bug fixes are not acceptable. Actual build fixes may be acceptable, if they're needed to allow people to build from a version control c

Re: [Python-Dev] devguide: Add a table of contents to the FAQ.

2011-03-31 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 2:34 AM, R. David Murray wrote: > I agree with this point.  The sidebar list of questions is effectively > useless. Indeed. If it's simple, I'd actually be inclined to reduce the depth of the sidebar in this case to only show the categories and not the individual questions.

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> What's more, it lacks the most important: the issue title. Notice that the issue title was always there, in your browser's title bar (unless you have a web browser that doesn't display the page title). Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Pytho

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython: Issue #11393: get more information on assertion error (test_faulthandler)

2011-03-31 Thread Victor Stinner
> > http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/61626c3f3a54 > >... > > -assert (b -a)>= pause > > +assert (b - a)>= pause, "{{}}< {{}}".format(b - a, pause) > > > +assert (b - a)>= pause, "{{}}< {{}}".format(b - a, pause) > > >>> a,b,pause = 0,0,1 > >>> "{{}} < {{}}".format(b - a, pause

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Ezio Melotti
Hi, On 31/03/2011 19.52, Terry Reedy wrote: On 3/31/2011 9:59 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: Le jeudi 31 mars 2011 à 23:48 +1000, Nick Coghlan a écrit : On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: It would be nice if someone with UI design experience was interested in maintaining/imp

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 11715: building Python from source on multiarch Debian/Ubuntu

2011-03-31 Thread Éric Araujo
> I would like to apply this patch (or its moral equivalent) to all active, > affected branches of Python, meaning 2.5 through 2.7, and 3.1 through 3.3, as > soon as possible. Without this, it will be very difficult for anyone on > future Ubuntu or Debian releases to build Python. Since it's not

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Terry Reedy
On 3/31/2011 9:59 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: Le jeudi 31 mars 2011 à 23:48 +1000, Nick Coghlan a écrit : On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: It would be nice if someone with UI design experience was interested in maintaining/improving the tracker. The challenge is the same

[Python-Dev] Use regrtest.py --timeout on buildbots

2011-03-31 Thread Victor Stinner
Hi, I just added a --timeout option to Lib/test/regrtest.py: if a test (one function, not a whole file) takes more than TIMEOUT seconds, the traceback is dumped and it exits. I tested it on 3 buildbots with a timeout of 5 minutes and it worked as expected: see #11727 for examples. It would be ni

Re: [Python-Dev] devguide: Add a table of contents to the FAQ.

2011-03-31 Thread R. David Murray
On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:47:39 +0300, Ezio Melotti wrote: > On 30/03/2011 23.20, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:00:22 +0200 > > ezio.melotti wrote: > >> http://hg.python.org/devguide/rev/f722956afeac > >> changeset: 405:f722956afeac > >> user:Ezio Melotti > >> date:

Re: [Python-Dev] devguide: Add a table of contents to the FAQ.

2011-03-31 Thread Ezio Melotti
On 30/03/2011 23.20, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:00:22 +0200 ezio.melotti wrote: http://hg.python.org/devguide/rev/f722956afeac changeset: 405:f722956afeac user:Ezio Melotti date:Tue Mar 29 22:00:13 2011 +0300 summary: Add a table of contents to the FAQ. C

Re: [Python-Dev] faulthandler is now part of Python 3.3

2011-03-31 Thread Benjamin Peterson
2011/3/31 Tres Seaver : > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 03/30/2011 09:54 PM, Victor Stinner wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I pushed my faulthandler module into the default branch (Python 3.3). >> Since one week, I fixed a lot of bugs (platform issues), improved the >> tests and Antoin

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le jeudi 31 mars 2011 à 23:48 +1000, Nick Coghlan a écrit : > On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > It would be nice if someone with UI design experience was interested in > > maintaining/improving the tracker. > > The challenge is the same as with any UI designer involvemen

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > It would be nice if someone with UI design experience was interested in > maintaining/improving the tracker. The challenge is the same as with any UI designer involvement in open source stuff though: they really need to be given the freedo

[Python-Dev] EuroPython 2011: call for paper is ending - Please spread the word!

2011-03-31 Thread Palla
Hi all members, I'm Francesco and I am writing on behalf of "Python Italia APS", a no-profit association promoting EuroPython conference. (www.europython.eu) Europython End of Call for Presentations is April 6th. I'd like to ask to you to forward this mail to anyone that you feel may be interested

Re: [Python-Dev] Non-code changes on "old" branches

2011-03-31 Thread Terry Reedy
On 3/31/2011 12:31 AM, Mark Hammond wrote: Hi, There are a couple of changes I'd like to make and would like some guidance on policy: http://bugs.python.org/issue6498 is a documentation bug which exists in Python 2.6 and later. The patch in that bug touches the docs and a comment in one source f

Re: [Python-Dev] faulthandler is now part of Python 3.3

2011-03-31 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/2011 09:54 PM, Victor Stinner wrote: > Hi, > > I pushed my faulthandler module into the default branch (Python 3.3). > Since one week, I fixed a lot of bugs (platform issues), improved the > tests and Antoine wrote a new implementation of dum

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 06:20:03 -0500 s...@pobox.com wrote: > > skip> Please see this thread in the tracker-discuss list: > skip> > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/tracker-discuss/2011-March/thread.html > > That didn't read right. I meant see that thread to see other discussion > abou

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread skip
skip> Please see this thread in the tracker-discuss list: skip> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/tracker-discuss/2011-March/thread.html That didn't read right. I meant see that thread to see other discussion about the folding topic, not that it would necessary convince you all to ch

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread skip
Please see this thread in the tracker-discuss list: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/tracker-discuss/2011-March/thread.html Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http:

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread Fred Drake
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: > Yes, there is a good reason why database records are routinely displayed in > labeled and located fields rather than in variable length natural language > sentences with a monochrome font. Form letters, of course, are an exception. Yep. Whil